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    Default The grime attitude has to adapt............

    In order for it to grow, the argument of what is grime completely pisses me off now,i aint having no youts tell me what is grime n wot isnt.

    Hip hop was made using anything available to the producers so that may have been a soul sample,roland keyboard sounds or even sampling a 60's horrer movie themesong in the case of busta rymes 'gimme some mo'

    Hip hop isnt defined by a tempo or sounds so its a genre where people can do what they like. If you half time your drums or use an 808 people start calling a beat 'bait hip hop' n i find it immature now.
    YES i love grime n rate maniacs style of beats but i also like to hear slower styled 140 beats that are not made around a bassline and have my own style which i would still class as grime.When i made 'gype' i wasnt watchin what others were making n that riddem was just different to other stuff out. Instead of eveyone trying to find what they are comfortable with musically within grime i see people hunting through vst's to try find sounds that wiley n skept have used.Music isnt something that should be boxed in, what i would suggest is having sub genres of grime just like hip hop has crunk etc. Everyone has different influences n i just hope this genre can be reflective of that coz if not i guarantee when people in the scene hit certain ages thier gone!

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    this talk is so 06.
    move on rudeboi.

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    Theres a very small range sound wise what people in the Grime Scene will consider Grime.

    That can be a problem but if you give someone something that sounds slightly different away from the norm and they make a tune called im more swagger then u. Then it doesnt really do the music any justice.

    Good song writing combined with well produced tunes will make it more interesting. If you aint got much to say, then I dont mind if it is on a generic grime beat.

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    Why don't we jus let it flow to whatever/where ever it wants to go?

    Whys ppl tryna control it anyways? -

    Not like it had much Boundary's or guidelines to make it what it was in the first place. (Thats why it was so unique, In my eyes and why its so open to other types of music infleunces)

    I guess it had like the tempo 138-144 catagory and that's it.

    All ppl have different idea's on 'whats's grime', I cant even be bothered debating about what is grime. I dont wnat it to adapt to anything thats just becoming somthing it is'nt
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    if it sounds like or uses hip-hop drum patterns its rap...
    ive never had any problems with dancehall or anyother genre
    If you watch the movie Jaws in reverse its about a shark who throws people up until they have to open a beach...
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    when i said 'adapt' i meant we should be more open minded coz u cant say a song isnt grime over a lil instrument

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    What does D1 - Ongie bongie count as? Anyone consider it grime?
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    dont see dancehall or reggaeton having the same problem..both are 140
    just keep the sounds of the music..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steez View Post
    What does D1 - Ongie bongie count as? Anyone consider it grime?
    its fucking sick whatever it is, same could be said for Skream - Fick
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    Quote Originally Posted by Webstarr View Post
    its fucking sick whatever it is, same could be said for Skream - Fick
    URGH! Fick is so fucking 'arrrrrrd lol ... tunes disgusting!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steez View Post
    What does D1 - Ongie bongie count as? Anyone consider it grime?
    Sounds like Grime to me. With the claps and bass synth.

    What would u consider it as?
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    Quote Originally Posted by FlashG View Post
    Sounds like Grime to me. With the claps and bass synth.

    What would u consider it as?
    Dunno, I really don't. It's 4x4 which is a bit different, most 4x4 now is bassline. D1 is a dubstep producer. Dunno. It's garage, it's the kinda thing that woulda mixed fine with Menta - SOTF etc. back in the EZ days

    Just wondered still ...
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    I stopped using grime to define the sound, and now use it as an umbrella term for the scene.

    If it wasnt called "grime" a descriptive word, we wouldnt have such confusion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steez View Post
    Dunno, I really don't. It's 4x4 which is a bit different, most 4x4 now is bassline. D1 is a dubstep producer. Dunno. It's garage, it's the kinda thing that woulda mixed fine with Menta - SOTF etc. back in the EZ days

    Just wondered still ...
    Yeh i know what u mean - with the 4x4 drum edit's . Its deffo not dubstep anyways. Id stick that under grime that tune if i had to place it into a section.
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    With everyone floating away from the traditional grime sound an goin more commercial how long is real "Grime" gona last away??? will it die out an just become a new form of music?
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    don't think you should define grime through the bpm or kick drum sound

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colt45 View Post
    don't think you should define grime through the bpm or kick drum sound
    If you limit a genre to a specific drum kit, everything's gonna sound the same. Like all them people using the Roll Deep / Wiley / Danny Weed kicks and snares.
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    I shall say this only once....

    NO ONE has a problem with artists or producers experimenting to stretch the boundaries of the sound which we call Grime. Broadening the horizons of the music is a wonderful thing and re-interpreting ideas and styles so they are relevant to Grime is how the music will evolve.

    However, do not ever confuse 'experimenting with your sound' for 'straight up copying shit that is already out there'.

    3 worst offenders of this are the use of Auto Tune, running 16 hi hats with bait 808 drum rolls and in 05/06 chopping up vocal samples.

    These are not innovations nor are they experimenting. It is straight up plagiarism of a CURRENT popular sound within US Rap music. People have a problem with this because they can hear these things in Hip Hop/Dancehall/Dubstep/Funky House RIGHT NOW. You aren't even giving them the common courtesy of at least digging through the archives and ripping off something that is old and not used anymore. It smacks of laziness and a lack of imagination, and funnily enough the listening public do not react well to laziness. Sell that shit to the mainstream, don't expect support from people who are fans of Grime music.

    It worked fine for Tinchy Stryder and Taio Cruz making a Timbaland tribute record, or Wiley vocalling what was effectively an old fashioned bootleg of Bodyrox - Yeh Yeh. They made lots of money from it. But it wasn't for the Grime scene.

    Artists and producers should not mask their inability to make good Grime songs with a tag of 'experimentation'. In most cases the only experiment is to see if people will line their pockets.

    I have problem with people getting paid, but just remember that if you are genuinely innovating you will get success and plaudits for it. Wiley did with an 'eski' sound which had never come before. Lowdeep and yourself got big from making tracks which were definitely grime but appropriating the sampling style of Kanye West, Heatmakers and Just Blaze but making it your own and different.

    But people knocking out derivative 'bait hip hop' on 05/06 were not supported by the Grime community at large. Because there was zero innovation there.

    Innovate, do not imitate. And if it is good, the people will rate it.

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