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    Uk garage came from us garage and jungle/dnb nah"
    Us garage from house, house from disco.
    Jungle/dnb from ragga, ragga from reggae.

    A diagram would help.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EA View Post
    I'm a big Hip-Hop listener but I despise Trap which so it's sudden appearance in Grime is rather jarring tbh. Much preferred Grime when it was sonically closer to Garage.



    And Garage came from Jungle/D'n'B which drew influences from Reggae & Hip-Hop...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiz View Post
    Uk garage came from us garage and jungle/dnb nah"
    Us garage from house, house from disco.
    Jungle/dnb from ragga, ragga from reggae.

    A diagram would help.
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    House = Disco
    Jungle = Old Skool UK Hip Hop and Ragga

    Hip Hop has already been to the above destinations, Grime is simply a bi-product.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiz View Post
    Uk garage came from us garage and jungle/dnb nah"
    Us garage from house, house from disco.
    Jungle/dnb from ragga, ragga from reggae.

    A diagram would help.
    Here's one that was made earlier

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe-MCR View Post
    Erm if it wasn't trying to omit HipHop it would be quite accurate.
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    The term 'grime' is becoming too wide now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Retrofreak View Post
    Erm if it wasn't trying to omit HipHop it would be quite accurate.
    I'd take bassline out of it too.


    Quote Originally Posted by Sausage View Post
    The term 'grime' is becoming too wide now.
    Look at hip hop though,'Trap',chopped'skrewed,West coast,crunk are all considered hip hop or sub genres.

    Would you not say grime is an evolving genre then? It's a confusing debate as said before itt. I'm not saying it's all this pop stuff Chipmunk/Skepta et al are making,just that it's definitely not one thing.


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    lol the sad thing is when a lot of people talk about Grime these days they start throwing names like Sneakbo and K Koke etc. about
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    I'm really tired of trap. The bass pattern(s) have been rinsed here for so long. All I associate trap with is shitty stereo systems shaking rust of mid-90s hand-me-down sedans. I grew up on dirty south and love it but hate how one-dimensional and uninspired other artists are when referencing/emulating trap/dirty south. I don't really care if Grime picks up some trap vibes, it'll die out once the new flavor comes.

    Further, if you look to American commercial trap stars as models to make money/fame your a wasteman.

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    Ok here we go

    Old Skool Hardcore

    Jungle (which was the child of hardcore/breakbeat infused with Ragga Samples)

    Drum and Bass

    Then when Drum and Bass got too techy a group of people's interest turned to.

    UK Garage

    Grimey Garage / 8 Bar / 'FWD' style music, think stuff by El-B

    Grime / Dubstep / Bassline

    Then a lil further along Funky came along

    Now its all just a mishmash (fuck mentioning brostep or 'future' Garage)

    And anyone who thinks Grime Mc's started spitting because of Hip Hop, you're dead wrong, the majority of the original Grime/Garage man wanted to spit due to jungle/dnb legends that is Stevie Hyper D/Det/Shabba/Skibba. Back in the days people would listen to U.S Hip Hop BUT it was Jungle that made a lot of people think 'shit, I can do this, this is a UK ting'.

    There is real deep rooted history in UK dance music, thats the one good thing about my age, I can say I went through the above journey along with the music.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blazey View Post
    And anyone who thinks Grime Mc's started spitting because of Hip Hop, you're dead wrong, the majority of the original Grime/Garage man wanted to spit due to jungle/dnb legends that is Stevie Hyper D/Det/Shabba/Skibba. Back in the days people would listen to U.S Hip Hop BUT it was Jungle that made a lot of people think 'shit, I can do this, this is a UK ting'.
    True,this is obvious,but you can't deny this,but surely a lot were simultaneously influenced by the US.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blazey View Post
    Ok here we go

    Old Skool Hardcore

    Jungle (which was the child of hardcore/breakbeat infused with Ragga Samples)

    Drum and Bass

    Then when Drum and Bass got too techy a group of people's interest turned to.

    UK Garage

    Grimey Garage / 8 Bar / 'FWD' style music, think stuff by El-B

    Grime / Dubstep / Bassline

    Then a lil further along Funky came along

    Now its all just a mishmash (fuck mentioning brostep or 'future' Garage)

    And anyone who thinks Grime Mc's started spitting because of Hip Hop, you're dead wrong, the majority of the original Grime/Garage man wanted to spit due to jungle/dnb legends that is Stevie Hyper D/Det/Shabba/Skibba. Back in the days people would listen to U.S Hip Hop BUT it was Jungle that made a lot of people think 'shit, I can do this, this is a UK ting'.

    There is real deep rooted history in UK dance music, thats the one good thing about my age, I can say I went through the above journey along with the music.
    Erm and who were the guys that created hardcore?:


    Uk Hip Hop guys like Liam Howlett and the rest of em.



    Who were the Ragga /Hip Hop MC's that ushered in Jungle before Skibba and Stevie Hyper??:

    Demon Boyz
    Ragga Twins
    Daddy Freedie
    Rebel MC / Congo Natty.

    Get your time line straight.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe-MCR View Post
    That was the day Thor and Retro schooled me, and I learned not to doubt Retro's music knowledge. I was ignorant to the true scope of certain genres back then (amongst other things).

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    You can't deny hiphop from grime.
    Grime is a form of hiphop, while it may have been squeezed from these other genres where hiphop arguably grew parallel from, grime has the same message, the same anger, the same soul... as hiphop. Most of the lyrical content can be attributed to hiphop.

    You can say grime in the raves is garage, is jungle.
    But the grime that survived: the album grime, the mixtape grime - is most definitely hiphop.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiz View Post
    You can't deny hiphop from grime.
    Grime is a form of hiphop, while it may have been squeezed from these other genres where hiphop arguably grew parallel from, grime has the same message, the same anger, the same soul... as hiphop. Most of the lyrical content can be attributed to hiphop.

    You can say grime in the raves is garage, is jungle.
    But the grime that survived: the album grime, the mixtape grime - is most definitely hiphop.
    I think you've nailed it. Grime grew from UK scenes, which obviously have their roots in Hip Hop (which came from Jamaica anyway, that's the motherland of all this shit).

    Forgetting the other genres' roots for a second, we could have solved this a long time ago if we just looked at Wiley. He grew up listening to Jamaican music and Hip Hop. He used to be a Jungle MC, but was a bit late for that scene, so when it came to Pay As You Go and onwards his biggest influence was obviously Jungle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pred View Post
    I think you've nailed it. Grime grew from UK scenes, which obviously have their roots in Hip Hop (which came from Jamaica anyway, that's the motherland of all this shit).

    Forgetting the other genres' roots for a second, we could have solved this a long time ago if we just looked at Wiley. He grew up listening to Jamaican music and Hip Hop. He used to be a Jungle MC, but was a bit late for that scene, so when it came to Pay As You Go and onwards his biggest influence was obviously Jungle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiz View Post
    You can't deny hiphop from grime.
    Grime is a form of hiphop, while it may have been squeezed from these other genres where hiphop arguably grew parallel from, grime has the same message, the same anger, the same soul... as hiphop. Most of the lyrical content can be attributed to hiphop.

    You can say grime in the raves is garage, is jungle.
    But the grime that survived: the album grime, the mixtape grime - is most definitely hiphop.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kyro View Post
    This is the only trap beat I have ever rated. That one Wiz posted was okay to but other than them I feel like I'm hearing a million remixes of same tune. Bassline was more versatile than Trap is in it's current form anyway.


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    the only other decent trap beat that's been posted here

    beg you guys who say you're fans post something decent, I want to be educated, and that Dullah Beatz tune is cack

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    All genre's are linked; every one of those genre's is linked back to hip hop, as well as classical, acid, house, jazz etc, but grime in an obscure way being linked to hiphop doesn't justify the influx of shit trap beats that I hear MC's on these days. It's not what grime has ever been.
    My opinion on trap as you can imagine is quite low but to be honest it's even lower now that trap beats are included on albums and sets due to the bpm matching and some loose beat structure similarities.

    For the record,

    Grime started because of mcs getting shunned by the garage scene, in the uk
    Bassline started because of 4x4 garage getting sped up past 135, in the uk
    Jungle started because of hardcore and breakbeat producers sampling classic drum breaks, in the uk
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jay-S View Post
    All genre's are linked; every one of those genre's is linked back to hip hop, as well as classical, acid, house, jazz etc, but grime in an obscure way being linked to hiphop doesn't justify the influx of shit trap beats that I hear MC's on these days. It's not what grime has ever been.
    My opinion on trap as you can imagine is quite low but to be honest it's even lower now that trap beats are included on albums and sets due to the bpm matching and some loose beat structure similarities.

    For the record,

    Grime started because of mcs getting shunned by the garage scene, in the uk
    Bassline started because of 4x4 garage getting sped up past 135, in the uk
    Jungle started because of hardcore and breakbeat producers sampling classic drum breaks, in the uk
    What are you saying though apart from stressing Grime is from the UK? I think the only justification of the influx is a lot of artists liking it and spitting over it. Not much you or anyone can do apart from coming up with a sub-genre title for it and hoping it spreads like RnG . You still calling it grime automatically accepts it's part of the scene.
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