This "homegrown" rule is bullshit!

[Michael.]

Just read this on our site.

http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-arc...or-this-season

All Premier League sides will have to adhere to new regulations concerning the makeup of their squad this season.

Every club will have to name a first-team squad of no more than 25, which must include at least eight 'home-grown' players.

The Premier League defines a home-grown player as a player who "irrespective of his nationality or age, has been registered with any club affiliated to the Football Association or the Welsh Football Association for a period, continuous or not, of three entire seasons or 36 months prior to his 21st birthday (or the end of the season during which he turns 21)."

Therefore the likes of Denilson, Gael Clichy, Nicklas Bendtner, Cesc Fabregas and Alex Song all count as homegrown players, as well as the likes of Jack Wilshere, Aaron Ramsey and Kieran Gibbs.

In addition to this squad of 25 players, each club may use as many under-21 players as they wish. The player must have been born on or after January 1, 1989 to be classed as 'Under-21' for this season.

Therefore players such as Theo Walcott and Aaron Ramsey do not have to be included in the primary squad, potentially freeing up spaces for older players.

Arsenal's current first-team squad contains 26 players, of which 13 are counted as home grown, and seven are Under-21s.

The breakdown is as follows.

1 Manuel Almunia (May 19, 1977)
2 Abou Diaby (May 11, 1986)
3 Bacary Sagna (February 14, 1983)
4 Cesc Fabregas (May 4, 1987)
5 Thomas Vermaelen (November 14, 1985)
6 Laurent Koscielny
7 Tomas Rosicky (October 4, 1980)
8 Samir Nasri (June 26, 1987)
11 Robin van Persie (August 6, 1983)
12 Carlos Vela (March 1, 1989)*
14 Theo Walcott (March 16, 1989)*
15 Denilson (February 16, 1988)
16 Aaron Ramsey (December 26, 1990)*
17 Alex Song (September 9, 1987)
19 Jack Wilshere (January 1, 1992)*
20 Johan Djourou (January 18, 1987)
21 Lukasz Fabianski (April 18, 1985)
22 Gael Clichy (July 26, 1985)
23 Andrey Arshavin (May 29, 1981)
24 Vito Mannone (March 2, 1988)
27 Emmanuel Eboue (June 4, 1983)
28 Kieran Gibbs (September 26, 1989)*
29 Marouane Chamakh (January 10, 1984)
30 Armand Traore (October 8, 1989)*
52 Nicklas Bendtner (January 16, 1988)
53 Wojciech Szczesny (April 18, 1990)*

Players in BOLD = home grown
* = Under-21 for season 2010/11
(date in brackets is player's date of birth)

Clubs must confirm their squads at the end of August when the transfer window closes, and can only be altered (without limitation) during the January transfer window.

Premier League Chief Executive Richard Scudamore believes the England team will ultimately reap the reward of the new ruling, which he feels in unlikely to encourage clubs to hoard young overseas players.

"It's not in the club's interests to stockpile players. It will make buying home-grown talent more attractive," he said.

"We're not going down the route of a nationality test but what this will mean is that you just can't buy a team from abroad.

"We think it will give clubs an extra incentive to invest in youth. We think that one of the benefits will be that it will help the England team."

Former Sports Minister Gerry Sutcliffe welcomed the Premier League's new quota as being good for the long-term health of football.

Sutcliffe said: "I welcome the Premier League's introduction of a home-grown player quota for squads and its implementation of strengthened financial reporting rules.

"These moves will encourage clubs to develop and bring through young talent and help ensure clubs are financially stable."





Isn't the whole point of homegrown being born in this country?????

Fuckin' should be anyway.




inb4racist.

[Zoffie]

This is just the 1st cycle of the rule, amendments & additions could be made, the clubs are aware of this, so they aren't just preparing for these current rules, they are also anticipating future rules.

If they were more thorough in their analysis, for the current rule, they'd probably realise that, the rule will probably hurt young English players.
The biggest clubs are going to go all out for young English players, yes...

In hope they'd grow to be good enough, & be part of the mandatory 8 HG, this will result in the Joe Hart situation where a lot of the best English youngsters need to be kept at clubs even if they aren't playing football just to fulfill the quota.

Clubs who previously would let their young players go to play regular football will hoard them, either to fulfill the HG quota if they are young adults over 21..
But also, there isn't a limit on how many u21 players you have, so a lot of those players would be kept just in case the 1st team squad has a major injury crisis.

also clubs would want to get in foreign kids before they turn 18, again in hope that they can contribute to th 8 mandatory HG players, whereas the Spanish had a scheme called the fidelity clause or something like that put in place 10 years ago.. talking about being faithful to their own young Spanish players & doing the most they can to help them survive & prosper ahead of imported kids, so they agreed to limit the amount of young foreigners in academies, whilst this English rule really prompts that.

[Hij]

I think its a good rule.

BTW Man City have more than 25 players.

Arsenal's squad is one of the best prepared for this anyway.

[Tommy]

It's a fantastic rule. Academies will pay dividends, which is how it should be.

[Jazz]

Im happy with the rule. wont effect Villa that much n would nice to see some proper english talent come through the ranks.

[Keyser Söze]

I think its a good rule.

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[Michael.]

Im happy with the rule. wont effect Villa that much n would nice to see some proper english talent come through the ranks.

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[Tony Starks]

Arsenal's squad is one of the best prepared for this anyway.

A little more information here
http://arsenalarsenal.wordpress.com/...-get-it-wrong/


Arsenal get it right …. the Press get it wrong


What is it about the Daily Mail? No matter how much I try to ignore Fleet Street’s greatest embarrassment, I can’t help finding new things about this fear-mongering, xenophobic, Thatcherite rag to annoy me, usually via a Newsnow link. This time it wasn’t some load of nonsense about how we’ll all be mugged by Kosovan asylum seekers if we even dared to step outside our front doors into the warzone that is 21st century British suburbia; it’s just another piece of journalistic sloppiness about football.

MJC posted a very good piece a little while ago about how the new 25-player squad rules will work – to recap, he explained that essentially (a) any player who is born on or after 1 January 1989 doesn’t count towards the 25-player limit at all for the coming season and (b) of the 25 “older” players, eight places are reserved for players who spent at least three seasons in England and Wales between the ages of 16 and 21 – these are “homegrown players”.

Importantly, but apparently beyond the wit of the Daily Mail, homegrown players can have any passport, it’s just where they trained in their early years that counts. So, Owen Hargreaves, as a Bayern Munich trained player, isn’t homegrown despite being English (sort of), but Nicolas Anelka is homegrown despite not being English and having played in France, Spain and Turkey as well as England. Clubs can have more than eight homegrown players, it’s just a quota to protect against importing too many established players from other leagues.

MJC explained that Arsenal are in pretty good shape for the new rules, but I wondered how that stacked up against our principal rivals. My nerdy curiosity got the better of me, and I checked the current first team squads of our principal rivals for the coming season (Chelsea, United, Spurs and City – sorry, I didn’t bother with Liverpool, they just don’t seem relevant…). I had to make some assumptions about which young players at each club would be serious senior squad contenders, but my conclusion is as follows:

* Arsenal: Squad of 33, of which 13 are under 21. We therefore have five spaces left for non-homegrown players aged over 21.

* Chelsea: Squad of 27, of which five are under 21. They therefore have three spaces left before they reach the 25-player cap, two of which are for homegrown players.

* United: Squad of 33, of which eight are under 21. United therefore have no spaces in their squad, so can’t make new signings without omitting existing squad members.

* Spurs: Squad of 29, of which four are under 21. They also have no space left in their squad for senior players.

* City: Squad of 31, of which six are under 21. But not only do City have no space left in the squad, even before making any further signings, they will already have to omit seven existing senior players.

Of course, none of this matters if our regular first choice players aren’t up to it, but we are clearly in great shape to get the best out of these rules. Only Chelsea come close to being in as good a position.

But what did the Daily Mail say? They of course said that United are doing well because they have lots of English players, but thought Arsenal and Chelsea would have to omit players. In fact, it’s the other way around, United are the worst positoned of last season’s top three. It’s a shame that there are so many people paid to write about our game who don’t know enough about it, or are too lazy to check.


"So, Owen Hargreaves, as a Bayern Munich trained player, isn’t homegrown despite being English (sort of), but Nicolas Anelka is homegrown despite not being English and having played in France, Spain and Turkey as well as England."

Im pretty sure this extract is untrue though.^^
Surely with a british passport regardless you're eligible.

[Hef]

Good rule. Stops every team becoming some arab superteam in the next 10 years.

[Block19]

I dont understand how being at a club a certain amount of years makes you homegrown. Surely homegrown players should only count players born here?

[RIP Jakey]

If this is about promoting English football then it would make sense that Owen Hargreaves is homegrown. Having said that his situation is nowhere near common enough for it to enter the rule makers mind.

[Tony Starks]

I dont understand how being at a club a certain amount of years makes you homegrown. Surely homegrown players should only count players born here?

homegrown and homeborn are two different things though

[Michael.]

I dont understand how being at a club a certain amount of years makes you homegrown. Surely homegrown players should only count players born here?

What I was thinking.

[Block19]

homegrown and homeborn are two different things though

Yeah, but if this is supposedly how we're improving the national teams fortunes it shouldnt be looked at differently.

[Jazz]

http://astonvillacentral.com/2010/07...me-grown-rule/Current

Aston Villa Squad
This is the current first team squad with reserves and some of the more senior academy players included for analysis purposes:-

Under 21 (Unlimited)
Marc Albrighton, Nathan Delfouneso, Fabian Delph, Andreas Weimann, Elliot Parish, Shane Lowry, Barry Bannan, Ciaran Clark, Nathan Baker, Chris Herd, James Collins, Harry Forrester. 12 Players

Over 21, Not Home Grown (Maximum of 17 Players)
Brad Friedel, John Carew, Moustapha Salifou, Stiliyan Petrov, Brad Guzan, Habib Beye, Carlos Cuéllar. 7 Players

Over 21, Home Grown (Minimum of 8 Players)
Luke Young, Steve Sidwell, Richard Dunne, Stewart Downing, Ashley Young, James Milner, Gabriel Agbonlahor, Curtis Davies, Emile Heskey, Nigel Reo-Coker, Nicky Shorey, Stephen Warnock, Isaiah Osbourne, James Collins, Eric Lichaj*, Jonathan Hogg. 16 Players

Think Villa's gonna be alright

[quality]

Expect some City players to go on the cheap in January because of this. Stephen Ireland is probably the only one worth going in for though, they can keep the likes of Jo.

[6]

about time this came in

[Kao]

How Long Does it take for a player to be classed as home grown if they are from spain etc..?

[Matt91]

Expect some City players to go on the cheap in January because of this. Stephen Ireland is probably the only one worth going in for though, they can keep the likes of Jo.

Jo

He turnt into a myth quickly after being a promising player at CSKA.

Think Woodgate is on the way out so that might free up an extra space

[quality]

He's just crippled, I doubt he'll ever play again, so he won't get a squad number this season at least.