England's team's future

**Prophet Dan** · 4th February '12, 10:16 PM

Originally Posted by The Messiah

The issue is not to do with foreigners clogging up the league but about English players reluctance to leave the Premiership. The Premiership is arguably the best in the world but Spain and Italy are world class leagues woith France and Germany not too far behind.

The teams that have done well in international competitions in recent years have players playing all over the world. France, Brazil, Spain and Italy have players in all (or most of) the five leagues I have mentioned above. Only Brazil has a relatively poor national league, so the arguement that players will stay in their own leagues if the leagues are good enough doesn't hold water as Spanish players could just as easily play in the Superliga and Superliga only if they so wished.

Different leagues focus on different areas of the game. Serie A is like drinking beer. You have to acquire a taste to enjoy the tactical football rather than the obvious enjoyment of the quick attacking football of the Premiership. In interviews, various French players said it was useful when they met up for training for the national team, when you would have players like Lilian Thuram coming from Italy (when he was at Juve) discussing the more tactical things that they focus on in training there. Whilst Theirry Henry would be discussing about the imporance of counter-attacking quickly from England. There is no such discussion or interaction of ideas on the training ground and in England, and thus that is why until the recent introduction of foreign coaches, 4-4-2 was the be all and end all formation for the English national side.

This is only part of the reason England's national team have not been doing well in recent times. The lack of a decent youth facilty and the emphasis on physical build rather than footballing skill (Ashley Cole was told that he was too small to be come a footballer. This is not an uncommon to thousands of children who get rejected from youth clubs becuase of their size). The argument that youth players do not get a chance to play, is true to some extent, but could be easily cirumvented by a more open approach to playing abroad. Fabregas, Messi, Anderson, Nani are examples of players that were playing or trained up in a foreign country. There are non-international players that are being trained up in various youth systems. Arsenal's is a good example. This is certianly not to the detriment of the English youth, because Arsenal's turnover of English talent is the same as any other club, however the majority end up playing for other clubs in England. Aside from the more famous names of Bentley, Upson and Pennant, there are lesser known Arsenal youths who are currently playing in the Championship.

I have more to say particularly about the English players playing for the top sides feeling that winning the Premiership or Champions League is more important than playing in a Competition qualifier and the inflated prices of English players also being a detriment, but that's enough for now.

well said. u should post this to the head of the premier league n all the managers. true story.

**Tony Starks** · 4th February '12, 10:20 PM

Originally Posted by BIGDON

bump its time for Noble to get a call up the shift Noble put in today was outstanding he was everywhere captaining a 10 men team for 80 mins he hardly ever has a bad game and is one of the best penalty takers in England

No player in the championship should get a call up for the full squad imo

**MoneyMan** · 4th February '12, 10:30 PM

Originally Posted by LookingForAGIF

wow, 3 out of 7 player on that list have good careers.

Mad how that basically also confirms what the OP was saying about English kids not getting game time/being given a chance.

It is nothing to do with foreigners, La Liga has bare foreigners but the best player at each club pretty much is Spanish, and they all bring through youth form their academies much more regularly (not just Barca).

**BIGDON** · 4th February '12, 10:31 PM

Originally Posted by Tony Starks

No player in the championship should get a call up for the full squad imo

yeah your probably right i dont expect him to have any involvement yet but after the Euros were hopefully be back in the premiership he should get a look in tbh

**Kartel** · 4th February '12, 11:08 PM

For the Euro's i wanna see a whole team filled with youngsters, if you don't give em a chance they won't be able to do anything!

**NE63** · 5th February '12, 07:18 AM

The culture of English youth football is whats stops us, not the amount of foreign players we have. We still rely on pace and strength which works when you are young, but if you dont have skill or a good footballing brain, being a big fast fucker wont be enough when you get to play at a decent level.
I am sure most lads on here, like me were playing on full size pitches with full size goals from about the age of 9. All that does is to encourage you to hoof the ball up the pitch rather than keep possession and learn how to play properly. Until things like this are addressed England will continue to have talented players, but not enough to fill a squad worthy of winning the World Cup or Euro.

**adidasgrandad** · 5th February '12, 12:55 PM

Originally Posted by BIGDON

bump its time for Noble to get a call up the shift Noble put in today was outstanding he was everywhere captaining a 10 men team for 80 mins he hardly ever has a bad game and is one of the best penalty takers in England

lol shit, that was 3 years ago. mark noble is nowhere near international level now. and i mentioned freddie sears...lol eventhough i know for a fact he has talent iv seen it first hand but he doesnt seem to be good enough for the top 2 divisions. bad prediction by me.