Start them in the rymans
Originally Posted by Guerillatoker
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Maybe if they start off in the conference or rymans but no racism meant when I say this but it's "the english premier league" and Scotland have their own league so perhaps they should stay put...it's not our fault their league is shit, why should we have them and not teams like Bangor (wales) Shamrock (ireland)??
Because Bangor and Shamrock wouldn't make the standard of the league better and therefore more watchable and lucrative. They wouldn't be a reason for Sky Sports and ESPN to pay more money for Premier League TV rights.
And before you say that doesn't affect the lower league clubs, note that the football league gets yearly payments from the Premier League. Including a recent one off donation in light of the recession.
Additionally, if they were to start in the Football league, the owner of the TV rights then could be bullied to pay a bit more as they are guaranteed to have a huge surge of viewers from Scotland, during the years they are there.
From a business and competition perspective, it makes good sense. The only issues are red tape and peoples attitude towards the Old Firm.
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But in fairness they'll just be mid-table teams and the hype will die down after a while, and u can see the arguement now if either ever won the league "they shouldnt be in this league anyway", tho I agree it would be more watchable and lucrative.
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no i cant really imagine that tbh.
Better than what, better than who, better than me, i'm better than you.
That arguement would only arise due to people having certian views on the matter. In the same way I imagine those are the same people with the view that Arsenal are a foreign club based in London and are a shame of a club for not having more English players.
If they earnt their way into the Premiership through the lower leagues then no-one could chat shit to be honest.
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R.E The Messiah's post saying that the Prem hand down money to the lower leagues... you do know how little the amount of money gets filtered down, don't you? Not having a go or owt...
Conversely, they aren't duty bound to hand anything down to the lower leagues...
... other than parachute money to relegated sides, but even that I don't think is something they were forced to do.
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Bring them in
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there are two sides
1. bring them in as it will add some excitement to the premier league, old firm games plus (for the matchgoing fans amongst us) trips to ibrox and celtic park, absolutely immense away atmospheres for these, however...
2. if they do come in, they should be made to start from the very bottom, just like fc united were. there is the argument from some celtic and rangers fans that teams who finish bottom of the premier league still earn more money than the winners of the spl. well france is only 21 miles from england, how about we let lyon in, oh and maybe fc porto, it there'll be no end to it. i personally say fuck the both of them, you will struggle to find two worse sets of fans, the fact they seem to want it so much seems to make it that bit sweeter that they cant come in.
wouldnt happen. they would be a threat to the villas, evertons and tottenhams of the premier league, would make stupid amounts of money, especially in the first few seasons. both clubs have massive stadiums so would get shitloads coming in through the turnstiles. you take lpool and obviously man united out of the equation, celtic and rangers are two of the most well supported teams in the world, they just struggle to attract the big names because of the soda pop scottish league. if they were to come into the premier league, they would be challenging for the title within a few years
won't make any difference, manure/chelski will still win alternately & celtic & rangers will get parred by most teams. Plus will permanently dead the 2 team Scottish league
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except they wouldnt mate, theyd be in europe within 2 or 3 seasons purely because of the money theyd generate
If they managed to stay up which they probz wud then yeah afta couple seasons they would have more P to buy better players but I don't think they'd ever be higher than say West Ham or Bolton or any1 like that. A few years ago maybe they had better squads then, Henrik Larsson 4 example was a truly world class playa. & Nakamura battered Man U a few tyms but this yr both old firm teams r shit
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Anyway, why would anyone want their bigoted Sectarianism is the Prem anyway? Yay, we can have jocks arguing with eachother and singing songs about bathing in Fenian blood all for a pathetic religous rivalry which I doubt any of them follow anyway.
Actually I don't think the Scottish league would die at all. A new, competitive SPL, would get supporters of teams like Hibernian, Aberdeen, Motherwell etc. much more enthused and excited about the league because it wouldn't simply be a case of trying to reach 3rd. Additionally, it would take a few years for Scotland's UEFA co-efficient to go down after Rangers and Celtic leave, so there would be the mouth watering prospect fo Champions league football for the league winner for a few years (and perhaps longer if they actually do well and keep up the co-efficient)
Nonsense.
They would easily be above Bolton and West Ham. From an objective point of view these are both teams that can hold their own in the Champions League. They rarely get battered, and if they do it's against a top top European side. They are definitely amongst the top 30 sides in Europe, their records show so. Secondly these are teams that progress very far in the UEFA Cup when involved, as shown by both Celtic and Rangers exploits over the past few years.
The only English teams (other than the current top 4) you would expect to hold their own in the same manner in the CL and progress in the UEFA Cup are Man City, Villa, Everton and Tottenham.
So go figure what would happen when Celtic and Rangers are given a stupid amount of money in comparison to what they are getting now, and playing in a league that can attract players they wouldn't have had access to beforehand.
Cliffs Notes: Yeah right now, they are mid-table Prem sides. Give them the money Tottenham get and they would swifty move upwards.
A rivalry is a rivalry, what it's based on doesn't really matter. It's no different to any other rivalry tbh. Theirs is based on religion. Liverpool and United is based on success and city rivalry for top spot in North East. Arsenal and Tottenham are based on location and Arsenal's dodgy promotion in 1919 or whenever it was.
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Surely you can see the difference between a rivalry of 2 clubs in the same City and a rivalry between religous extremists singing about how they want to kill eachother, bathe in eachothers blood and also attack players due to their religous views?
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Didnt Neil Lennon get slumped??
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I honestly don't know if the Old Firm at the minute are better than West Ham. They shop exclusively in the Championship.
A rivalry is a rivalry. Course I can see the difference and obviously there are differences between rivalries up and down the UK. Millwall/West Ham isn't the same as Man United/Liverpool. Whether or not you agree with the reasoning for it is your own opinion.
Be precise in your wording by the way. Celtic and Rangers fans aren't religious extremists, I'm yet to hear of a pub full of Celtic fans being blown up by Rangers fans. They sing songs of an extreme religious nature.
Funds! They don't have the funds of West Ham so they have to go bargain hunting. That's the whole point of the talk about them moving to the Prem!
Allow judging a team purely by its transfers. If that was the case then Arsenal should be playing in the Premiership Under-18s league by your reckoning.
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