Wenger - "Our Players Are Getting Injured/Fouled Deliberately"

[Hij]

and thats the problem when only one team is trying to play football..something is wrong alie

LMFAO!!!!!!!!

It gets even better, go find out what football was like in the beginning.

Liverpool played pass and move (yes you didn't invent it) in the 70's and 80's and picked up loads of league titles.

[quality]

Is the idea teams who aren't as good technically should just lay down and let Arsenal pass around them like training cones?

[Ryddel]

Is the idea teams who aren't as good technically should just lay down and let Arsenal pass around them like training cones?

Good point never thought of that

[Eric Cantona]

Arsenal fans are so annoying lol, some just don't have a clue

Mini Wengers

[The Messiah]

Messiah you have a great talent for 'not stating something' yet implying thats what you mean.

Useful, isn't it? The implications at the end of the day are in your own head.

Arsenal need to go back the the days of Vieira not giving a shit.

[Entity]

To be honest I think Wenger lacks the managerial ability to toughen up his purchases in the way that someone like Ferguson can. If Wenger focused on adapting his players to the physical aspect of the English game instead of complaining about it and making excuses for it, that would be a start. Evra, and Ronaldo were particularly players that took time to adapt, but Ferguson had a plan and it worked out. Ronaldo is surely the most victimised player in the Premiership, but everyone else gets on with it.

Wenger must take responsibility for his short comings in the transfer market. He purchases foreign technical players, and rather than surround them with physical players than can do the graft, he's employed this 'beautiful football' atmosphere which just isn't going to cut it in the premiership. With Anderson and Nani at Man Utd, they've clearly understood they have to battle in games. Ferguson must have also understood they have the ability to adapt into the English game, Anderson transformed from an attacking midfielder into a box to box midfielder. Wenger musn't prioritise a players ability to adapt, he needs to rethink his philosophy on player recruitment.

[Nine Bar]

Useful, isn't it? The implications at the end of the day are in your own head.

Arsenal need to go back the the days of Vieira not giving a shit.

everybody needs a player/s like him. Every team, wont be as good as him but there set up to play his role. Hold back, win the ball and release it.

Man Utd - Carrick, Hargreaves
Liverpool - Alonso, Gerrard
Chelsea - Essian, Mikel
Villa - Reo Coker, Barry
Man City - Fernandez,
Pompy - Diarra, Diop
Everton - Aint got a natural one since Carsley, Neville can do it though
Blackburn - Mokeana, Tugay
Bolton - Muamba
Fulham - Bullard, Davies
Middlsborough - Julio Arca, Shawky
Newcastle - Barton
Hull - Boatang
Stoke - Olifinjana, Faye
Sunderland - Taino, cant member the otha man
Tottenham - Zokora, Huddlstone
West brom - I dont no tbh
West Ham - Scott Parker, Mullins.

Thats one/two players from each team, who will get stuck in, kick you about, win you the ball, drag the game on their shoulders. They set the examples for the team.
Arsenal had Gilberto Silva and Flamini, lost em both and didnt replace them, Denilson is a wippet. The mix of youth and experience, Defensive and attacking is very important. Arsenal dont have that.

[Eagle]

LMFAO!!!!!!!!

It gets even better, go find out what football was like in the beginning.

Liverpool played pass and move (yes you didn't invent it) in the 70's and 80's and picked up loads of league titles.

truth

arsenal spent most of the twentieth century playing ugly long ball thug football whilst spurs, liverpool man u and even chelsea were known for playing the attractive game. yet now they think they can claim to be the only team trying to "play football"

to say your players are getting fouled deliberately is utter bullshit. i would agree that players at less fashionable clubs do up the physical element of their game when big teams (and teams that perceive themselves to be top 4 contenders) visit them, but its a crock of shit to say that they target arsenal.

was it not vieira and petit who used to kick strips out of players, normally not even trying to play the ball?

were your players not deliberately trying to injure nani in the FA cup last season?

did martin taylor really make a career ending two footed lunge like diaby has on at least TWO occasions ?


players at all clubs get injured, for instance i remember seeing one of wengers kids, muamba, make a horror tackle on gareth bale last season to end his season in november.

to conclude, wenger is talking shit in order to deflect attention away from his clubs poor form and so he can use injuries as an excuse as they have a tough run of premiership games this month

[quality]

I found this quote on 606, and I think it raises an interesting question:

"wenger is one of the biggest destroyers of the english game. he wants a no-contact game where none of his players can take any blame and moreso wants the english game to be dominated by foreigners who know not of english traditional passion and heart.

hate something, hate wenger."

[The Messiah]

To be honest I think Wenger lacks the managerial ability to toughen up his purchases in the way that someone like Ferguson can. If Wenger focused on adapting his players to the physical aspect of the English game instead of complaining about it and making excuses for it, that would be a start. Evra, and Ronaldo were particularly players that took time to adapt, but Ferguson had a plan and it worked out. Ronaldo is surely the most victimised player in the Premiership, but everyone else gets on with it.

Wenger must take responsibility for his short comings in the transfer market. He purchases foreign technical players, and rather than surround them with physical players than can do the graft, he's employed this 'beautiful football' atmosphere which just isn't going to cut it in the premiership. With Anderson and Nani at Man Utd, they've clearly understood they have to battle in games. Ferguson must have also understood they have the ability to adapt into the English game, Anderson transformed from an attacking midfielder into a box to box midfielder. Wenger musn't prioritise a players ability to adapt, he needs to rethink his philosophy on player recruitment.

everybody needs a player/s like him. Every team, wont be as good as him but there set up to play his role. Hold back, win the ball and release it.

Thats one/two players from each team, who will get stuck in, kick you about, win you the ball, drag the game on their shoulders. They set the examples for the team.
Arsenal had Gilberto Silva and Flamini, lost em both and didnt replace them, Denilson is a wippet. The mix of youth and experience, Defensive and attacking is very important. Arsenal dont have that.

*thumbs up*

Lovely bits of text there.

arsenal spent most of the twentieth century playing ugly long ball thug football whilst spurs, liverpool man u and even chelsea were known for playing the attractive game. yet now they think they can claim to be the only team trying to "play football"

They are the only team trying to continue to play football at it's most purest. Liverpool don't know what attacking full-back are (though they have a better idea this season than last), Chelsea got their titles on being compact and playing as a counter-attacking away team. United are the only other English side I have the utmost respect for in terms of the way they play football. They've got the balance right at the end of the day, but they aren't championing football in the way Arsenal and Barcelona do. (Tbh it's not important, United have the winning formula anyway.)

to say your players are getting fouled deliberately is utter bullshit. i would agree that players at less fashionable clubs do up the physical element of their game when big teams (and teams that perceive themselves to be top 4 contenders) visit them, but its a crock of shit to say that they target arsenal.

Did I say deliberately fouled or did I say players were just putting in more effort/force in their tackles? Arsenal are targeted more than the other top four clubs. I refuse to accept anything different. I will add that Ronaldo is the most targeted player in the league - but not all United players are targeted.

was it not vieira and petit who used to kick strips out of players, normally not even trying to play the ball?

Opinion. Vieira was a fair player imo. It's just that when he got pissed off, he really got pissed off. But hey lets pretend I'm an Englishman, why not target Vieira? He's a foreign player and we don't like it when foreign players play rough (Look up previous comments by Phil Neville, of all the people, saying that he doesn't want foreigners like that in the Premiership). We didn't like it when Essien gave as good as he got, people called him a dirty player - he had to tone it down a bit to keep the media happy. But we love it when our own players dish it out. We Roy Keane who went and purposely injured a player...

were your players not deliberately trying to injure nani in the FA cup last season?

Nope. Get a youtube clip of that incident. Flamini's tackle was hard but fair and I put it to you that had a non-Arsenal English player made that challenge, no-one would have said a word about it. At least Alan Hansen had the decency to imply it on the MOTD that evening.

did martin taylor really make a career ending two footed lunge like diaby has on at least TWO occasions ?

Name and shame then? Diaby has been on the end of two serious challenges, that have taken him out of the game for a combined period of 26 months. If there is any Arsenal player who I would say is not that way inclined at all when it comes to tackles, I would say it would be Diaby.

players at all clubs get injured, for instance i remember seeing one of wengers kids, muamba, make a horror tackle on gareth bale last season to end his season in november.

Irrelevant. It would be like me using Robben's antics at Real to bash Chelsea now. Or Van Nist's diving at Real to bash United. Can't really do that I'm afraid.

to conclude, wenger is talking shit in order to deflect attention away from his clubs poor form and so he can use injuries as an excuse as they have a tough run of premiership games this month

No shit sherlock.

I found this quote on 606, and I think it raises an interesting question:

"wenger is one of the biggest destroyers of the english game. he wants a no-contact game where none of his players can take any blame and moreso wants the english game to be dominated by foreigners who know not of english traditional passion and heart.

hate something, hate wenger."

Absolutely nothing wrong with multiculturalism in the game of football. It just seems when it comes to certain types of English football fan it has to be limited or the "right, selective sort of" multiculturalism.

All I will say is that post-Capello (and even pre-Cappelo), you wouldn't say no to wenger as England manager would you...

[Eagle]

1. muamba was on loan at birmingham last season so was therefore still one of wengers players

2. the diaby tackles; one was at bolton last season, he was sent off. you've clearly seen it and are playing dumb. the other was in pre-season against madrid from what i can remember. i also seem to remember another in the champions league.........

3. i think you must have not seen the nani incident when your players were kicking him as he was juggling the ball. it was not a solitary challenge by flamini, it was from what i remember, eboue, gallas and a third player kicking him as they couldnt take the ball off him

4. vieira...the most red cards in premiership history. it speaks for itself

[Jay]

everybody needs a player/s like him. Every team, wont be as good as him but there set up to play his role. Hold back, win the ball and release it.

Man Utd - Carrick, Hargreaves
Liverpool - Alonso, Gerrard
Chelsea - Essian, Mikel
Villa - Reo Coker, Barry
Man City - Fernandez,
Pompy - Diarra, Diop
Everton - Aint got a natural one since Carsley, Neville can do it though
Blackburn - Mokeana, Tugay
Bolton - Muamba
Fulham - Bullard, Davies
Middlsborough - Julio Arca, Shawky
Newcastle - Barton
Hull - Boatang
Stoke - Olifinjana, Faye
Sunderland - Taino, cant member the otha man
Tottenham - Zokora, Huddlstone
West brom - I dont no tbh
West Ham - Scott Parker, Mullins.

Thats one/two players from each team, who will get stuck in, kick you about, win you the ball, drag the game on their shoulders. They set the examples for the team.
Arsenal had Gilberto Silva and Flamini, lost em both and didnt replace them, Denilson is a wippet. The mix of youth and experience, Defensive and attacking is very important. Arsenal dont have that.

This is west broms problem, only rb and lb will mix it, we have no midfielder who will get stuck in.

[Lawless]

why are arsenal crying? players are getting dumb wage and are crying about being kicked? Get on wiv it. Every top team gets kicked up but the best can still win from it.

[The Messiah]

1. muamba was on loan at birmingham last season so was therefore still one of wengers players

Even so this is so ridiculously irrelevant. You are point out on incident of one player, who was't even in Arsenal players at the time. Stop wasting my reading time.

2. the diaby tackles; one was at bolton last season, he was sent off. you've clearly seen it and are playing dumb. the other was in pre-season against madrid from what i can remember. i also seem to remember another in the champions league.........

I can just as easily cite Steven Gerrard and Paul Scholes tackles which were less than savoury. Your point is?

3. i think you must have not seen the nani incident when your players were kicking him as he was juggling the ball. it was not a solitary challenge by flamini, it was from what i remember, eboue, gallas and a third player kicking him as they couldnt take the ball off him

I saw the Nani incident. I don't think you saw it. Did any player other than Flamini make contact with Nani? No fouls were committed then.

4. vieira...the most red cards in premiership history. it speaks for itself

Thanks for adding weight to a point I made earlier about attitudes to certains players and their aggressiveness... I'm sure you'll agree that Vieira wasn't the most dirty player in the history of the Premiership. If you agree with that, then you have to wonder why he got so many red cards...

[quality]

Pulis has pretty much deaded him with his response anyway.

[Hij]

I can just as easily cite Steven Gerrard and Paul Scholes tackles which were less than savoury. Your point is?

Liverpool and United haven't whinged about being targetted and then had their own players 'target' other players.

You have. Its hypocritical and it makes Wenger look more and more like a disgruntled old grandad than a manager.

[The Messiah]

Liverpool and United haven't whinged about being targetted and then had their own players 'target' other players.

You have. Its hypocritical and it makes Wenger look more and more like a disgruntled old grandad than a manager.

Woah, when have Arsenal consistently targeted certain players with tackles?

You guys are coming up with individual references within games, I'm talking about things that have been going on for years in various different games.

Not so comparable when you think about it.

[Hij]

Woah, when have Arsenal consistently targeted certain players with tackles?

You guys are coming up with individual references within games, I'm talking about things that have been going on for years in various different games.

For years, rival teams in derby matches have targeted each other within various different games.

Xabi Alonso gets targetted all the time, because he is the playmaker in our team. Just have a watch when we play WBA how they try to minimise his play.

[quality]

Let's be real, Ronaldo is probably the most kicked player in football today.

[Hij]

Let's be real, Ronaldo is probably the most kicked player in football today.

Accepted.

Its rife in football, its not just about Arsenal.