Is this spain team the GOAT?

[Parrr]

they are incredible while the other well known for being incredible teams currently arent. Argentina, Brazil, France all look a bit crappy right now and all three of them will potentially knock spain out of the world cup if they get back to their better ways.

But of my life time gotta say this is the best international achievement, BUT THE MOST BORING FOOTBALL

[The Messiah]

Out of 14 Copa Americas post-70s, only 5 had neither Brazil or Argentina in the final. And World Cups wins on top of that too for both Brazil and Argentina... you're talking shit if you don't think Brazil and Argentina aren't the heavyweights of South American football.

They are the heavyweights of South American football in the same way Italy, France, Germany and arguably Holland are the dominant forces due to their longevity.

That said, where were have France been for the past 10 years?

Every 'dominant' team has a lull. I'd argue that Argentina are going through a massive lull. The only thing they've won in the past decade is the Olympics.

Brazil haven't won a major tounrament since 2007...

Therefore you can't talk about these teams like it's 1998.

[Mr. Jefferies]

They are the heavyweights of South American football in the same way Italy, France, Germany and arguably Holland are the dominant forces due to their longevity.

That said, where were have France been for the past 10 years?

Every 'dominant' team has a lull. I'd argue that Argentina are going through a massive lull. The only thing they've won in the past decade is the Olympics.

Brazil haven't won a major tounrament since 2007...

Therefore you can't talk about these teams like it's 1998.

I'm not, I was replying to the point about Spain having it easy when historically there have always been more "stronger" teams in Europe at one time than in America which is why up until now nobody has retained the Euros, therefore to win two Euros and a WC on the trot is harder than two Copa Americas and a WC, strengthening the argument that Spain are the GOAT team.

What I'm saying is, what does Uruguay being a dominant force now how to do with 40 years when they weren't and it was mostly Brazil and Argentina? The original statement was that Brazil and Argentina often only have themselves to compete with in South America. European teams have 5 or 6.

CC was talking present day and I was talking historically.

[The Messiah]

What I'm saying is, what does Uruguay being a dominant force now how to do with 40 years when they weren't and it was mostly Brazil and Argentina? The original statement was that Brazil and Argentina often only have themselves to compete with in South America. European teams have 5 or 6.

CC was talking present day and I was talking historically.

1. How have Uruguay won so many championships if it's always been dominated by Brazil/Argentina? [FYI Urugauy have won the Copa America at least once a decade throughout the entirety of the cup except for the 70s]

2. Pointing out the current strength of Uruguay is a means of swatting the people who keep mentioning the silly "Brazil/Argentina not in the Euros" argument.

3. Pointing out the historical strength of Urugauy reminds people that despite the limited number of teams in the Copa America, Brazil/Argentina have not been all powerful in the way people assume.

Furthermore the number of 'difficult'/'Top 10' sides in those championships is an argument as to why Brazil and Argentina should have been more ruthless, and why the notion that the Brazil/Argentina sides of the 60s, 70s and 80s were better than Spain in 2012 is funny. e.g.

Argentina have only won two titles since 1959
Between 1949 and 1989, Brazil didn't win a single Copa America.
Between 1959 and 1991, Argentina didn't win a single Copa America.
Brazil have won more than half their Copa America titles in the last 25 years.
Uruguay have nearly double the number of Brazil titles.

Bra/Arg have not cleaned up in South America. Nostalgia clouds peoples judgement.

[BIGDON]

so Spain currently are U19 U21 Euro and World champions

inb4Olympics

[Mr. Jefferies]

so Spain currently are U19 U21 Euro and World champions

inb4Olympics

That's impressive tbh.

[mightymonolithic]

so Spain currently are U19 U21 Euro and World champions

inb4Olympics

Spain are clearly streets ahead of the current competition. Id still take Brazil 1970 team (Pele, Jairzinho, Tostao, Revelino, Carlos Alberto et al. Better strikers and slightly better all round for me #didntusewiki

[Mr. Jefferies]

#didntusewiki

The sign of a true footballing knowitall

Spain are superior to that Brazil team imo. We can argue until the cows come home but put them both on a pitch, who do you think would win? Spain for me.

[mightymonolithic]

The sign of a true footballing knowitall

Spain are superior to that Brazil team imo. We can argue until the cows come home but put them both on a pitch, who do you think would win? Spain for me.

You got me lol I got one of them mad memorys and I had this World Cup 1990 week by week thing that had so much info in it you wouldnt believe. Ill still go with Brazil 1970 only dwonfall for them is they had a dodgy goalie. Felix the cat I beleive lol.

[chris89]

I'm going to watch Spain vs Honduras at the Olympics

[datnigganev]

I'm going to watch Spain vs Honduras at the Olympics

hope you get raped by a bosnian.

Spain are definitely the most fluid and best TEAM that i've seen. I would say that a game between them and the 2002 Brazil team would be interesting though.

[The Messiah]

I'm assuming them holding all those titles is some sort of record?

[Brisboy84]

I'm assuming them holding all those titles is some sort of record?

Yeah, they're the first team to win three tournaments in a row.

[The Messiah]

Yeah, they're the first team to win three tournaments in a row.

No, not that. I'm talking about holding the U19, U21 and adult world titles at the same time.

[Deagle]

No, not that. I'm talking about holding the U19, U21 and adult world titles at the same time.

Yeah. Only the second time the two junior titles have been won together. France held the U19, Euro and World Cup titles in 2000 though.

EDIT: Actually, in 2005 Brazil held the World Cup, Copa America, South American U17 and U15 titles apparently. One of the few times they didn't win their U20.