let's be real. I'll see how Pep does in his new job.
"This is Fulham for heaven’s sake. This is a club which 15 years ago didn’t have two brass filings to rub together, which used to play in front of 3 or 4000 rattling around here. Which once played on a night in Rochdale needing points to stay off the bottom of the English League. But were brought by a very rich man, and there he is. And which has now become a hugely enriched club.”
The idea that they can only do it against Spanish sides with poor defenses, obviously compared to the rock solid defenses in England (this season in particular), is nuts.
I'm not a Barcelona devotee, Busquets is a fantastic player but a bitch, I don't like the way they surround the ref, at their absolute worst they aren't entertaining to watch (but which team is?) and turning on the sprinklers when Inter won was a shit thing to do , but it strikes me as strange that you want to split hairs over a failure to win two games. That's the nature of cup football, Chelsea rode their luck and fair play to them.
Guardiola deserves all the credit he has for getting the best out of a talented bunch of players. Yeah people say it was easy because he had the talent already there, but he still had to get the best out of them - and he did that at a consistent basis (not as a one season wonder). Barcelona had previous teams that had a similar amount of talent (Luis Enrique, Rivaldo, Figo etc), but they didn't have a manager that consistently got the best out of them like Guardiola has done. They went through a period where they didn't even win a trophy from 1999-2005 i think.
I wouldn't say the movement of Messi was a natural evolution, as far back as the Man Utd final it was certainly nothing that British 'pundits' saw coming. The movement of Mascherano to CB was a masterstroke. Having faith in a supposedly injury prone Messi and Iniesta, Pedro, Pique and Busquets ahead of bigger name players left over from the Rijkaard era.
I'm not saying he's the best manager alive by any means, but its an impressive body of work. And I believe people will look back at Barca at their best with more fondness than any of Mourinho's counter attacking sides. That's just my opinion though.
From Slaven Bilic the other day:
What has changed the most in your opinion?
It used to be quite a different game tactically – think those Chelsea v Liverpool clashes in the Champions League, those were chess games between Mourinho and Benítez. The goal justified the means. But then Pep Guardiola was crucial in changing that with his Barcelona team, so I have nothing but respect for him. He initiated a revolution in the way coaches look at football. It's true that Barcelona played attractive, attacking football before, and that tiki-taka comes from Cruyff and Rexach, but never before they played the way they did under Guardiola. And that has had a profound influence on other coaches, because everyone wants to emulate the best: most teams today try to play football, they strive to creation, not destruction. Even the Italians took part in that – both the national team and their clubs, with the exception of Inter and a few minor clubs in Serie A. That was unheard of before Guardiola.
With regards to the bold, read this:http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2.../sport.comment Genuinely one of my favourite pieces of football journalism ever.
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"Kicked out the game's what you get, me I walk out the game then I walk back in it"
Basically... find a team that can match that in the past twenty years.
People will think back to Guardiola's Barcelona team, just like they'd look back to Wenger's Invincibles, Milan's Invincibles, Ancelotti's Diamond.. Ajax 90's team... This is when they think about the greatest teams in history.
When they think about the greatest manager, it'll just be... Mourinho, not a team associated with his name. Just Mourinho.. and that says so much.
@Come Correct is Mourinho a shit manager because Liverpool knocked him out in 07 at the semis? Or his first year at Inter? Or all the time he's been at Real in the CL? Please confirm.
In fact it was Guardiola who said that Mourinho is the greatest manager ever.
If Xavi's message is, winning playing beautiful football is much better, that's a no-brainer, is it of any surprise to any body that despite United having the Premier League in a chokehold since it's inception that Arsenal was voted as having the best team.
It's not a surprise because of the football they played & so Wenger get's the most credit for creating that team, but, history won't remember him as the greatest manager.
He's right that Chelsea's UCL win is much of a muchness. Porto & Liverpool have won in recent years. Barcelona have been the best team in the world & will still set the standards, even without Pep & that says a lot as well.
Any team loses Mourinho and they'd be significantly effected by losing his skillset.
It won't mean much to him at all if people don't like him. I just get the feeling that history will remember how much of a dick he was. I understand where Xavi is coming from, I don't necessarily agree 100%.