Without a doubt. Torres is 10x the player that Chamakh and Park are.
...would you want them to sign him?
I don't know what happened to this guy.
Last edited by GimmeSpaceGimmeRoom; 5th March '12 at 12:57 PM.
Without a doubt. Torres is 10x the player that Chamakh and Park are.
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yer, as long as he took a massive paycut, with the option to raise his wage if he starts performing to the levels we all know he is capable of.
Our midfield makes him look a lot worse than he is
hes never been the tevez pick up and run it type and thats the only way he could score in this Chelsea team, our creativity is poor
It must be the poorest run of form ever, talent doesn't just vanish like that all of sudden.
Our fans have completely different views of him on here, personally I gave up about a month ago but it's a bit harsh when we haven't got a midfielder who can actually play a through ball
I was optimistic for Torres this season as I thought we'd play a more counter-attacking style. I'm in 2 minds to sell if I were the head-honcho.
I do believe that Torres is fine, just in a shitty situation, not a good style of team for him at all. Hij & I'm sure all Liverpool fans knows he needs special circumstances.
Kudos to Benitez on football focus, before Torres kicked a ball for Chelsea he spoke about this & how he would struggle for Chelsea if they do not cater for him properly, at the time, I thought he just wanted Ancelotti's job, but, for instance, he was saying that even at Liverpool his plan to rejuvenate Torres was to buy Jovetic to dove tail off of him.
I mean, I think a good way to look at it is Yakubu, who is statistically the best striker in the Premier League in terms of chances converted in the box & value for money. Now, at Everton it came to the point where Moyes felt he couldn't rely on him for goals, so much so that he loaned him out to Leicester even though they were desperately in need of a goalscorer.
So again we are in an interesting situation to find, will the environment at Chelsea in this next regime provide the perfect circumstances for him.
Di Matteo is Italian & we all know about Cattenaccio, but, he did try to play the 433 at West Brom, I don't rate him tactically.
My main motivation behind selling Torres would be his age & Daniel Sturridge.
We're getting to the point where resale value is going to start to naturally drop because of age any way, but, given his form, it'll take a hammering.
If I were to move him on, it would only be to Atléti, if he'd wan to go. I actually like Torres. I thought it was great when Drogba scored & he was genuinely happy, he actually likes London too & wants to make it work here, I think most other players would be stropping & be all out in the media slating Chelsea.
Perhaps what's best to see for right now is.. the attack below... Problem is.. experimenting at this stage of the season...
Well... That's the situation we find ourselves in.
Last edited by Zoffie; 5th March '12 at 01:51 PM.
the problem with torres is that he plays for a shit club with no real history, no passion, no heart, no fans, no loyalty, no soul. nothing. not even a fucking manager LOL. just some rusty decaying old unoiled machine with bare broken and/or missing parts. of course hes shit in a chelsea shirt.
put him in any real team he will probly start scoring again. chelsea is just an illusion though and a shitty one at that. we all see thru it, pack up your trick bag of smoke and mirrors and fuck off home.
5 years from now city will be in the same boat as chelsea. you had a good run but the games up, youv been clocked. back to fighting for mid table positions.
would love him back at lfc and i can see it happening
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Admittedly, he's still above Liverpool in the table so in that sense, the move has worked, but I think our team is generally more youthful, Downing was the oldest player we signed (bar Bellamy who was a free) at the age of 27 and we have a decent squad level now- we need the type of signings of quality, in positions like Maxi or Kuyt who are getting on a bit - a bit of pace there and guile, and a poacher, like a Huntelaar (if he'd join a team in the Europa) and we'd look a lot better. Infact, while in some areas we definitely overspent, assuming there is some sort of strategy for the next transfer window, following on from improving the squad level last year, I'm not too concerned and actually quietly confident we're improving.
I don't think we've had such good "fringe" players for a long time now. I don't think it can be denied that most of the players we've signed are at the very least "decent" or "average" or capable of playing in the division (while admittedly, not 'world class' and what have you). But it's like Shankly used to say, you need 8 players to carry the piano and 3 to play the thing- we've only got Suarez and Bellamy who can play it, and Bellers can only play one game a week- so you could argue we really only have Suarez.
Adam isn't a starter I don't think long term, but he'd be a pretty decent option off the bench, or in a Europa game- you'd imagine he'd be on the bench with Lucas back. And we've got a few players coming through like Flanagan, Robinson, Kelly and Sterling. Shelvey also looks good - I'm surprised we haven't played him more. Though what I mean is, I think we have a capable squad for carrying the piano in terms of the analogy - our defence is actually the only reason we have done well this table as we have been dire in attack. If I was FSG, Kenny and Commolli, I'd be looking at signing players to help us play the damn thing.
The thing is though, Torres left us because we were in transition, only to join a team on its way down (in terms of their current squad as a lot of players need replacing). It's almost as if he jumped ship so he could automatically be in the last 16 of the Champions League? They showed intent (or desperation) spending £80m on Luiz and Torres a year ago, and while they are in transition, I can't see Roman spending that much then giving up this summer, it wouldn't make any sense - expect more signings. Infact with the Mata and Cahill signing, they've averaged £28.25m per signing over the last year. That makes £113m - more than we have spent, yet I don't think they look much better, despite the fact the league table doesn't lie.
It appears through plenty of rumour and conjecture although not confirmed categorically, that the likes of Drogba, Lampard and Terry have a massive control over the dressing room and any manager who comes in. There are noises that those three would love Mourinho to come back, but weirdly enough, if he did come back, they would be the first three he would probably be looking to move on and replace in order to build a new team.
It's why I wasn't that deflated after we lost to Arsenal, because I've seen massive improvement in the teams general football, we just a couple of strong additions and continued progress really, at the very least the players look united and morale looks superb, probably thanks to Kenny. Our team is fairly young and should only get better, and I reckon for our £100m we've got a fairly decent springboard to surprise people next year. It's a shame we haven't done more this year, but assuming FSG actually are looking at us as a work in progress and last summer wasn't all they were going to do, we could definitely be challenging Chelsea a lot more competitively for their position next season- and if Torres is still there, then the move away might be questioned even more. Even someone like Hoilett on a free could really propel us. Funnily enough, perhaps we were a Fernando Torres away from getting that top four spot back this yera.
Edit: My opinion is that in the Arsenal team of about 2-3 years ago, Torres would have scored even more than he did for us.
2m and I will take him.
We got a budget here lol
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