Was this a penalty?

[chris89]

Settle an argument between myself and @JamieQpr , yes or no, simple as that

http://www.soccerclips.net/videos/qp...a-helguson-pen

[Julio Cesar]

Yes. Clearly sprints and barges him in the back, definite penalty.

If you vote itt please justify your vote.

[chris89]

I wasn't gonna start trying to influence other people's opinion, but since you have, cool delayed dive bro

No need for justification just vote yes or no, this isn't Fabregas vs Iniesta

[Big 45]

lol seems OTT going down because of the push, but I think Luiz catches his foot afterwards which is maybe why he falls over

[Julio Cesar]

I wasn't gonna start trying to influence other people's opinion, but since you have, cool delayed dive bro

No need for justification just vote yes or no, this isn't Fabregas vs Iniesta

So you dont need to justify your reasoning? I'm not trying to influence people, I'm just saying why I believe it is a penalty. You can clearly see he sprints to him, barges him and knocks him over, I dont see how you can deny that its a penalty? Please correct me if I'm missing something.

[chris89]

He doesn't get barged enough to go down, and for that reason it's not a penalty, I've said this before in the other thread but for some reason you keep ignoring my 'reasoning' because you don't deem it to be correct, that's not how opinions work.

Anyway, no rep to be won ITT no idea why you are here tbh

[Mr. Jefferies]

Stone-waller if ever there was one. Disgraceful.

Forget penalty, it should have been a straight red.

[NSF]

Helguson couldve stayed on his feet, there was contact but he made the most of it tbh.

[chris89]

Stone-waller if ever there was one. Disgraceful.

Forget penalty, it should have been a straight red.

[Husso]

Tbh it is a penalty but an extremely weak one. Hate these sorts worse than those random handball ones etc.

[Julio Cesar]

He doesn't get barged enough to go down, and for that reason it's not a penalty, I've said this before in the other thread but for some reason you keep ignoring my 'reasoning' because you don't deem it to be correct, that's not how opinions work.

Anyway, no rep to be won ITT no idea why you are here tbh

He sprinted full pace at him and barged him, if he did that to most people in the back he'd knock them over. iirc you didn't say it in the other thread, you just kept saying about how I was biased and talking about polls and rep.

Serious football discussion only here please, there are no sarcastic comments to be made ITT I dont know why you are here tbh

[chris89]

He sprinted full pace at him and barged him, if he did that to most people in the back he'd knock them over. iirc you didn't say it in the other thread, you just kept saying about how I was biased and talking about polls and rep.

Serious football discussion only here please, there are no sarcastic comments to be made ITT I dont know why you are here tbh

not sure if serious, Helguson went down from the smallest shove ever by Luiz, completely bought it, just like Sturridge.

When they say that these things even themselves out and they actually do>>>>>>>>>>

Said this in one of my first posts in that thread but because you were so filled with rage you must have missed it

[Mr. Jefferies]

Serious answer: Luiz should have known better than to barge someone in the penalty area at their home ground, even a slight barge. If he doesn't do that, there's no opportunity for Helguson to dive.

Helguson clearly makes the most of it and plays for it. It's a dive but Luiz should have been smarter.

tl;dr - It's a dive and I'd be furious if that was given against my team.

[Julio Cesar]

Said this in one of my first posts in that thread but because you were so filled with rage you must have missed it

Fair enough, I dont remember reading that tbh lol. But that reasoning is wrong? You admitted Sturridge had dived later in the thread, so how was it exactly like that penalty? You can clearly see he sprints full pace at him and barges him, so its hardly like Sturridge who flings himself to the deck after no/a touch by Hill.

[chris89]

@Mr. Jefferies pls vote itt

men lie women lie numbers don't

But that reasoning is wrong? You admitted Sturridge had dived later in the thread, so how was it exactly like that penalty? You can clearly see he sprints full pace at him and barges him, so its hardly like Sturridge who flings himself to the deck after no/a touch by Hill.

Alright maybe not like Sturridge, but still not a penalty because he goes down like a little kid, players get barged 10 times harder all over the pitch and stay on their feet.

[Julio Cesar]

@Mr. Jefferies pls vote itt

men lie women lie numbers don't



Alright maybe not like Sturridge, but still not a penalty because he goes down like a little kid, players get barged 10 times harder all over the pitch and stay on their feet.

No matter how he went down, he was barged in the box after Luiz blatantly sprinted towards him at full pace. Thats enough to justify a penalty.

[Jimmy Conway]

It was a dive, you can tell.

But that's beyond the point; how the fuck is Chelsea not whipping QPR's ass? They deserve to get scored on by a penalty.

[chris89]

We'll see tbh, we aren't gonna agree, that's what the poll is for in the first place.

[Sosa]

@chris89

it was very soft, and helguson simulated the fall, but luiz should have known better to run over an barge someone in the back in the penalty area in front of the referee while being the last man...


and you can't say he didnt barge him hard enough for it to be a peno, it was a peno because of the sitiuation, they werent tussling waiting for a corner etc

that nudge probably would have sent you 6 foot into the air chap.

[Mr. Jefferies]

I think by the rule book it is a penalty, it's excessive force. It's also a dive though. It's hard to say lol but if I was a ref I would not give it and would book Helguson for diving.