Your Controversial Opinions on Grime?

[LC1]

People what are your own personal thoughts/opinions on grime that differ or go against the grain of the general opinion in the scene on here. we all must have some and it will be interesting to see who or what are big points of controversy.

my 2 are probably that i have never rated terror danja's beats to the level of nearly everyone else... i have to say that i massively respect them in terms of skill and can see why people rate him but to be honest i never really saw the fuss over most of them like zumpi hunter etc.

2. trim is top 3 for me. i think when he puts out a good song and not some half arsed business he is way a ahead of most. i think he is one of the cleverest as i see metaphor bars as boring but to me his word play, and ways to describ ethings and people are funny and very original. when he steps on a big beat like i'm not remix, liar liar, get with it, don't talk etc he tears it up. he is original ans skilled.

and i'll throw another one in... i actually like these electro cross over tunes as ive liked house/electro for a long while and i think they are a breath of fresh air from the bait hip hop that was getting thrown out. i fucking hate that shit. everyone bar possibly kano and maybe bashy sound shit on hip hop compared to grime.

that is all

peace in the middle east

[Jimmy Darmody]

wasnt there a thread called upopular opinions you have on grime which is basically the same as this

[bennyboyt]

i hate chipmunk... official flowbiter no.1

[RIP Jakey]

wasnt there a thread called upopular opinions you have on grime which is basically the same as this

yeah exactly the same

[Jimmy Darmody]

http://www.grimeforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6788&highlight=unpopular

POW

[Danny Trejo]

it's not completely shit right now

[FG]

That thread was made nearly a month ago, the thread-starter probably didn't know.

If you don't have anything new to say/can't be bothered then cool, but allow the forum pedantry.

[Jimmy Darmody]

That thread was made nearly a month ago, the thread-starter probably didn't know.

If you don't have anything new to say/can't be bothered then cool, but allow the forum pedantry.

:stunned: okay lets all start making loads of threads about the same thing

[fuk off]

People what are your own personal thoughts/opinions on grime that differ or go against the grain of the general opinion in the scene on here. we all must have some and it will be interesting to see who or what are big points of controversy.

my 2 are probably that i have never rated terror danja's beats to the level of nearly everyone else... i have to say that i massively respect them in terms of skill and can see why people rate him but to be honest i never really saw the fuss over most of them like zumpi hunter etc.

2. trim is top 3 for me. i think when he puts out a good song and not some half arsed business he is way a ahead of most. i think he is one of the cleverest as i see metaphor bars as boring but to me his word play, and ways to describ ethings and people are funny and very original. when he steps on a big beat like i'm not remix, liar liar, get with it, don't talk etc he tears it up. he is original ans skilled.

and i'll throw another one in... i actually like these electro cross over tunes as ive liked house/electro for a long while and i think they are a breath of fresh air from the bait hip hop that was getting thrown out. i fucking hate that shit. everyone bar possibly kano and maybe bashy sound shit on hip hop compared to grime.

that is all

peace in the middle east

I agree wid u about Trim but Terror Danja has made some sick tunes + fuck electro

[chris89]

I hate Skepta, I can't see why people rate him, boring bars, too many Boy Better Know references and he calls himself the King of Grime when he aint even top 5 in mine and most others opinions.

[Grimes]

Grime right now is laughable

[fuk off]

I hate Skepta, I can't see why people rate him, boring bars, too many Boy Better Know references and he calls himself the King of Grime when he aint even top 5 in mine and most others opinions.

Real talk I used to rate skepta back in 05-06 times but then he got too big headed + started spittin bout king of grime + t-shirt hype know he's tryna go back to the greaze talk but no1 aint buyin it not after all the contradictions there

[JACK]

north london was/is/will be better than east was/is/will ever be

[quality]

Devlin is incredibly over-rated. No delivery and picks words that rhyme, rather than make any sense or have any impact.

[SHOKK]

I like Devlin, but there are SO many other MCs out there right now who are just dead drop boring. The likes of Dot Rotten etc. Their bars may have content, but it just doesn't go with Grime beats, and I would never have listened if they were on Hip Hop beats, there are other good rappers for that.


I agree with LC1 at the Terror Danjah thing, he has 3-4 huge beats, but that's it, and they all sound the same anyways.

[Carter]

Grime died the day God's Gift made a electro track

['nuum general]

Grime died the day God's Gift made a electro track

the rinse vs fwd PAUG reunion's gonna be geeius dropping funky, wiley & gift over electro and major ace on "dirty pop"

[Carter]

the rinse vs fwd PAUG reunion's gonna be geeius dropping funky, wiley & gift over electro and major ace on "dirty pop"

**vomits as I realise Webstarr is right**

['nuum general]

*sells ticket*

[Carter]

*sells ticket*

**Buys Webstarr's ticket because Dirty Pop is the in ting**
:D

[LC1]

Grime died the day God's Gift made a electro track


grime ain't dead..... but i swear carter for the last year you went on about bait hip hop but if youhad a choice if an artist was gonna make a hip hop or electro tune which one would you choose??

plus i rate that bless beat production of that god's gif ttune but clearly gift ain't meant to be on those sor tof riddims, it just isn't right lol!

[Carter]

grime ain't dead..... but i swear carter for the last year you went on about bait hip hop but if youhad a choice if an artist was gonna make a hip hop or electro tune which one would you choose??

plus i rate that bless beat production of that god's gif ttune but clearly gift ain't meant to be on those sor tof riddims, it just isn't right lol!

wow........hip hop I guess, the amount of bait hip hop I like outweighs the electro lol

[Famous?]

agree with you totally apart from the bit about terror danjah........
i think Sunjay is the king grime fan...he's been listening to it from day...

[fedfaced]

cant stand people sayin devlin is the best ever grime mc or whatever. smh

i rate so called certain "swag mcs" over him just cos they were more entertaining and reminds me from when grime was actually alive

edit:- actually come to think of it, cant stand devlin full stop *deletes mixtapes from pc*

[Pristine Condition]

Devlin is incredibly over-rated. No delivery and picks words that rhyme, rather than make any sense or have any impact.

!!!!!!!!!!!!

I rate Bless Beats, regardless of what he looks like. Because people hate him, because of the way he looks and that is straight gay tbh.

[R.dot.Tubbs]

Goodz is overrated.

[Captain]

Devlin is shit

Everyone in The Movement is shit

The whole F Radio series was shit

[Arkan]

Everyone in The Movement is shit



....apart from devlin.

NOT a fan of ghetto AT ALL.

rest of them get air in my books

[Jay05]

Goodz is overrated.

agreed

[Seven]

Devlin is shit

Everyone in The Movement is shit

The whole F Radio series was shit

off topic: what happened to medellinmandem [was reminded because he lorded movement]

i disagree with that statement tho i thing devlin is fire and i am starting to like ghetto

but its your opinion so ;;

[Seven]

grime needs more outer european appeal

[cRiminal]

Some people have some very very strange opinions.

[R.dot.Tubbs]

off topic: what happened to medellinmandem [was reminded because he lorded movement]

i disagree with that statement tho i thing devlin is fire and i am starting to like ghetto

but its your opinion so ;;

Rennaissance man

[Flawz]

1. So many MC's are boring and monotone, why would non-grime fans wanna listen to it really?

2. Grime fans are too stubborn and moany, just because an MC doesnt make every tune a grime one doesnt mean theyre selling out, its called gathering a wider fanbase. I dunno how fans expect artists to make a living when grime obviously aint going anywhere right now

3. More MC's should spit on Bassline like D Double has with Murkz, bassline is the big thing right now, theres money to be made. People would much more appreciate an actual good MC (presuming they can be a hype MC aswell) as apposed to someone who is merely a shit grime reject

4. More hype/dancy upbeat tunes are needed, all this hip hop ish shit is cool, but people like to dance, face it!!!!

[Retrofreak]

BIDC was good ,but overrated
D Double also

[LC1]

BIDC was good ,but overrated
D Double also


fuck me thats controversial,

maybe on tracks d double e is overrated but overall and esp live he is overly sick, plus bidc... well dunno what to say... top 3 albums of any genre for me. too sick

[Phil]

north west/west mc's back in the day>>>>>>>>___________

[D.MAN]

I hate Skepta, I can't see why people rate him, boring bars, too many Boy Better Know references and he calls himself the King of Grime when he aint even top 5 in mine and most others opinions.

.

[Jimmy Darmody]

agreed


Goodz is overrated.

are you crazyyy

[D.MAN]

he aint consistent doe

[BananaMan]

Skepta is overrated. Isnt even top5.

[bailey_187]

Black the Ripper isnt a good lyricist

[Jay05]

Black the Ripper isnt a good lyricist

he isnt bad but sometimes he does sound poor

[SKJEM]

theres too much swearing and stuff of the like, it makes a blockage to it being bought without reservations and makes it harder to go mainstream. I reckon u can get to the point without always cussing. Thats what me reckons!!!

[Tommy]

D Double isn't as good as everyone says.

[adidasgrandad]

*wiley* "ghetts is in charge" *wiley*

[Tommy]

But that's the point, he's only a rave MC. Which is why him and Flirta will never make it.

D Double>>>>Flirta though.

[cRiminal]

DEE >>>> Skepta >>>> Black The Ripper >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>JME

[SPOOKY DJ]

certain producers/mcs/djs/promoters think that theyre sum high hierachy or sum sort of grime royalty and thats next mans are beneath dem when we all in the same scene doin da same thing pushin music forward

but with the antics of certain mans in the scene it aint wot it used to be

it used to be united but now there's this big circle and every1 else has been shut out

[4737]

certain producers/mcs/djs/promoters think that theyre sum high hierachy or sum sort of grime royalty and thats next mans are beneath dem when we all in the same scene doin da same thing pushin music forward

but with the antics of certain mans in the scene it aint wot it used to be

it used to be united but now there's this big circle and every1 else has been shut out

Spooky just nailed it, buried it, dug it up and nailed it again.

t.

[bailey_187]

he isnt bad but sometimes he does sound poor

yeah hes a good MC still but some guys go on like hes one of the best MCs in the UK and is an amazing lyricist

hes just 'Good' in my opinion

[The Egghead]

Ghetto is annoying.
Devilman is a lot better than most mc's.

[The Egghead]

On a set. Should've prepared better for Skepta though.

Definately. He didnt do too bad tho, the more i listen to that clash the more i think devilman won.

[Danny Trejo]

People who listen to grime and complain about the negative lyrical content will never fucking get it.

[oldskl]

Double S and P Money are crap, dunno why people think 'what did he say' lyrics are hype, discardas 'bang your father out' are better then that.

Chipmunk is shit


only things can think of which are related to this

[TerrorS]

Tubby >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other grime and dubstep producers/dj's

[JACK]

furious is better than most djs

spooky is better than most djs

tempz is overrated

kano is/always was overrated

jonson is underrated

cell22 is underrated

[cRiminal]

furious is better than most djs

spooky is better than most djs

tempz is overrated

kano is/always was overrated

jonson is underrated

cell22 is underrated

You seem to have some kind of vendetta against east MC's and a fetish for North London ones lol...

[Arkan]

Tubby >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other grime and dubstep producers/dj's

.
well i think he makes more bangers than most people.
More consistent than most

[SPOOKY DJ]

I agree with Spooky...but I think it's also about work ethic and networking.



thats it right there

ethic and networking

all about gettin yourself out there

if u aint doin dat u mite as well give up NOW.

[JACK]

You seem to have some kind of vendetta against east MC's and a fetish for North London ones lol...

lol nah its just tempz and kano aint all that

[RIP Jakey]

Dot Rotten is overrated, he's good but isn't up there with the top MCs.

This is the beginning>>>>>>>>>>>>>RIP Young Dot

[FG]

Dot Rotten is overrated, he's good but isn't up there with the top MCs.
This is the beginning>>>>>>>>>>>>>RIP Young Dot

most think the same tbh.

BREEZE is decent

In at the Deep End is actually a decent CD, even if it was a bait attempt at mainstream appeal

Brutal is very underrated

[adidasgrandad]

BREEZE is decent



decent?hes sick and always has been from garage days

[quality]

most think the same tbh.

BREEZE is decent

In at the Deep End is actually a decent CD, even if it was a bait attempt at mainstream appeal

Brutal is very underrated

I agree with that, there's some bangers on it. Take away the Avenue, Shake a Leg and Good Girl and it's not really that bait IMO.

[RIP Jakey]

most think the same tbh.

BREEZE is decent

In at the Deep End is actually a decent CD, even if it was a bait attempt at mainstream appeal

Brutal is very underrated

I agree Breeze is decent, but being in Roll Deep doesn't really help him cos he is overshadowed by the over mcs.

I don't mind Brutal on a set, but I don't like the cockyness. I can't watch a video of him on a set and he's yet to impress me with a tune.

[FG]

I agree with that, there's some bangers on it. Take away the Avenue, Shake a Leg and Good Girl and it's not really that bait IMO.

It was bait, very bait.

In the context of the time of release they should have come with something a lot more genuine then that. Even Wiley acknowledged later it was a mistake by the crew to release something like that. They should have represented the sound a lot better.

Large up Adidas I knew you rated Breeze. He ain't brilliant but some of his bars are pretty good. I have some set with him and Will will wing it to you if you want it

[quality]

Production is still big on that IMO tho. Heat Up, When I'm Ere, Poltergeist and People Don't Know were all heavy, then Let it Out has some dirty bass in the verse and I felt Show You as well.

All listenable and with the exception of the bait sampled tracks (Good Girl, Avenue, Shake a Leg, Flying Away) it's a complete sounding, decent album.

[LC1]

most think the same tbh.

BREEZE is decent

In at the Deep End is actually a decent CD, even if it was a bait attempt at mainstream appeal

Brutal is very underrated


i have to say i enjoyed it.... tunes like remember the days and let it out were sick tunes

the shit commerc ones were bus stop and be careful..... show you was decent as was the flyin away one.

the quality of production i nterms of layering, crispness and engineering is one of the best seen from a 'grime' cd

[FG]

i have to say i enjoyed it.... tunes like remember the days and let it out were sick tunes

yeah those were good tunes, 'They Don't Know' was good as well despite maing the hook melodramatic and really, pie

'got two jobs just to raise her kids' - fair enough, to be shortly ruined by a whining vocal of 'oooohhhhhhhhh what a shame' if I remember right

Still the beat for that was large.

sorry I meant 'people don't know', Megaman's fault still. The remix was so filthy, the height of Dynamite's spitting career which was to only tumble afterwards

[LC1]

sorry I meant 'people don't know', Megaman's fault still. The remix was so filthy, the height of Dynamite's spitting career which was to only tumble afterwards[/QUOTE]


even people who hate garage/grime love that tune best tune on the album along with woah the string synth on that is tooooo much

those two tunes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> than 80% of any grime tune to date

[adidasgrandad]

Large up Adidas I knew you rated Breeze. He ain't brilliant but some of his bars are pretty good. I have some set with him and Will will wing it to you if you want it

yeah just up it in thread for everyone. that would be appreciated still. I think its just his flow is just really catchy to me. whether thats just me or not i dont know but hes one of my fav mc's who il hear like once every 6 months live.

[FG]

just gonna put it here still.

Freeze FM, '03
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=MQUHFK64

[Danny Trejo]

yeah, that set is big

[D.MAN]

skepta shud retire

[FG]

He just gives me joke more time, 'I got lyrical flu' etc, 'I'm clean like Mr Sheen' or whatever the lyric was

He gets parred by Roll Deep though. Decent MC, been there from morning. For the Celebrate video he showed up for the video and wasn't even in it like he's NE or something.

And on topic N.E can actually hold his own on collaborations/with others despite his basic rhyme schemes. He's improved.

[SPOOKY DJ]

'I got lyrical flu' etc, 'I'm clean like Mr Sheen' or whatever the lyric was



who is that?

[D.MAN]

who is that?

im guessing breeze

[FG]

Breeze

[feasible_weasel]

Jme's bars havent improved one single bit since serious
I hate every single grime T-shirt around terrible shit nobody over 18 would wear
80% of the mc's just want to be hip-hop rappers,using bait american slang
:D Geo's Shangralah (Instrumental) = better than 80% of grime instrumentals now.
Stylers - Stylers got style >> are u dumb series
Kano and Dizzee are selfish, grime got them to where they are and they just release shitty music now.
Most grime producers just download hip-hop beat packs and drum patterns and pass it off as grime.
electro grime >>> wanna be dipset crap people are making.

[D.MAN]

Jme's bars havent improved one single bit since serious
I hate every single grime T-shirt around terrible shit nobody over 18 would wear
80% of the mc's just want to be hip-hop rappers,using bait american slang
:D Geo's Shangralah (Instrumental) = better than 80% of grime instrumentals now.
Stylers - Stylers got style >> are u dumb series
Kano and Dizzee are selfish, grime got them to where they are and they just release shitty music now.
Most grime producers just download hip-hop beat packs and drum patterns and pass it off as grime.
electro grime >>> wanna be dipset crap people are making.

skn

[SPOOKY DJ]

im guessing breeze

yh sounds like him

i knew i heard that mr. sheen bar frm sumwhere

[RIP Jakey]

Jme's bars havent improved one single bit since serious
I hate every single grime T-shirt around terrible shit nobody over 18 would wear
80% of the mc's just want to be hip-hop rappers,using bait american slang
:D Geo's Shangralah (Instrumental) = better than 80% of grime instrumentals now.
Stylers - Stylers got style >> are u dumb series
Kano and Dizzee are selfish, grime got them to where they are and they just release shitty music now.
Most grime producers just download hip-hop beat packs and drum patterns and pass it off as grime.
electro grime >>> wanna be dipset crap people are making.

I agree with most of that, Electro Grime>Wannabe Hip Hop

[FG]

the guy has some lyrical gems

'B-R double E-Z-E, never had an STD'

Adidas your right, Breeze is sick lol. Truly though his simple rhyming-style is emphatic. Kinda refreshing with all the skippy flows these days

[feasible_weasel]

skn

zoop

[D.MAN]

zoop

dat dont mean i agree wit everyting fam lol sometings doe

[fuk off]

Jme's bars havent improved one single bit since serious
I hate every single grime T-shirt around terrible shit nobody over 18 would wear
80% of the mc's just want to be hip-hop rappers,using bait american slang
:D Geo's Shangralah (Instrumental) = better than 80% of grime instrumentals now.
Stylers - Stylers got style >> are u dumb series
Kano and Dizzee are selfish, grime got them to where they are and they just release shitty music now.
Most grime producers just download hip-hop beat packs and drum patterns and pass it off as grime.
electro grime >>> wanna be dipset crap people are making.

Real talk about jme I dunno why any1 would part with money to buy any of his shit he's swag and all that preechin is air

[D.MAN]

Real talk about jme I dunno why any1 would part with money to buy any of his shit he's swag and all that preechin is air

i wudent even download his album



old skl jme was aight doe aint gonna lie

[fuk off]

i wudent even download his album



old skl jme was aight doe aint gonna lie

Yeah before the t-shirt bars

[D.MAN]

Yeah before the t-shirt bars

yh meridian days an ting

[BananaMan]

I agree with most of that, Electro Grime>Wannabe Hip Hop

wtf is electro grime? Wearing my rolex? Styrder Man?

It aint grime.

[JACK YOU]

Slew dem are good and hype but are over rated. Tempz and esco though>>>

[SPOOKY DJ]

Slew dem are good and hype but are over rated. Tempz and esco though>>>


:rudumb::swing:

['nuum general]

slew denm are not over-rated, waifer is a top boy producer & matty d is a big dj. Thry work well as a crew

[Kompressor]

north london was/is/will be better than east was/is/will ever be

This should be common knowledge
but a lot of east heads cant see outside of their own area so will always believe they're top

but Boy better know have officially taken over the game now

and if personal issues hadn't come into play it could've been a lot bigger and better

Big h
Cell 22
Cookie
Scorcher
and many more mc's wouldve been involved but ego's wont let it happen

[Kompressor]

most think the same tbh.

BREEZE is decent

In at the Deep End is actually a decent CD, even if it was a bait attempt at mainstream appeal

Brutal is very underrated

In at the deep end was actually a very good album
it just wasn't grime so its fasionable to not like it

if you understand and like good music
sit down listen to the album then you will see

[skillz]

-i think tinchy stryder has been overated from day dot (especially with one liners)

[FG]

tings in boots, under the seat nah things in boots...

Stryder has duppying raves from early.

Jendor >>>>>>>> 90% of MCs