'Made A New Tune On My Laptop, Found A New Bass Sound And It's Called Hybrid'

[FG]

Grindie. A merciless manipulation of grime's elements, creating a Frankensteinein hybrid that mocks and taunts an original, firm fan-base, while in the interim catering for a new audience and the NME as a recent claim to originality and innovation. A view that must have it's own proponents given opinions voiced on the forums.

The problem is, it all seems a little contradictory. Grime, especially a few years ago, consisted of myriad musical influences, resulting in a musical type that had never been heard before or since; a harsh, guttural, and raw style whose breadth, in itself, was staggering while simultaneously suggesting limitless possibilities.

Hadouken! are a band that typify 'grindie', and in the process get lambasted for their use of grimey influences. Why? The situation takes an even more ludicrous turn given the fact that their lead singer, a chap called James (http://hadoukenblog.blogspot.com/2007/03/hot-topic.html) as it transpires, was formally known as Dr. Venom (http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=313835940), making beats under the True Tiger name.

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Grime is an insular culture, which is undoubtedly part of its appeal. However, it has to grow and adapt in order to ensure its health. Aren't artists that use grime as part of their sound paying the highest compliment? Is the hostility that is directed at a band such as Hadouken! indicative of a prevailing narrow-mindedness that holds the scene back?

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[Ari Gold]

i like them no homo.

[Demos]

i like them
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[RIP Jakey]

i like them no homo.

Some of their stuff is alright, other bits I can't stand.

[Quality Control]

i hope they all die stiiiiiillllllllllllll

[Hij]

i hate them

[The Egghead]

One of their tunes was alrite. I just hate this dress sense that people like them have, 99% of white people dont suit flat peak new era's, plus most of them claim to be "original" while dressing the same as everyone else.

[Demos]

I just hate this dress sense that people like them have, plus most of them claim to be "original" while dressing the same as everyone else.

.

[Skola]

i think they are shit

so that singer guy is the producer true tiger?

im sure ive heard some proper grime from him then

[Ari Gold]

at least they pay respects to the scene theyv taken inspiration from.

yeah i fucking hate the dress sense, they look like cunts.

and yeah i also HATE some of their material, but overall, i do like them. lol

[I Can See You]

ate jme's flow and ran with it

[LNL]

hadouken << ____

[Ransom]

They not reppin the roadside

[RIP Jakey]

James (http://hadoukenblog.blogspot.com/2007/03/hot-topic.html) as it transpires, was formally known as Dr. Venom (http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=313835940), making beats under the True Tiger name.

Read his blog, I think he explains himself and his views on grime well.

EDIT: Achilles would get duppied on a set as well.

[RIP Jakey]

They not reppin the roadside

They don't claim to be thats not their audience, if you don't look at it as grime and look at it as a hybrid of his influences re-packaged into a different sound you may like it. Although I think (no stereotype) its probably white music.

EDIT: my previous statement just to show I'm not a fanboy of theirs


Some of their stuff is alright, other bits I can't stand.

[The Egghead]

To be fair you know, one of my mates came to me with a track of theirs and thru it i gave him a bit of real grime and he loved it, if they can get more people interested in the "grimier" side of the scene then i'm all for it.

[Leng Man Louie]

if der gettin grime 2 different audiences den das big but personally i fink der swag

da dress sense is a joke aswel, der da kinda guys dat fink its sik 2 say n write CUNT evrywhere

[Jay05]

One of their tunes was alrite. I just hate this dress sense that people like them have, 99% of white people dont suit flat peak new era's, plus most of them claim to be "original" while dressing the same as everyone else.

lol so true

i went to an indie night out and was astonished that every1 looked exactly the same.

[ozman22]

ate jme's flow and ran with it

been telling my indie mates this from day

[Newbie]

Dr Venoms' fuckin biggg

[Jammie Dodger]

Hadouken have always been big.

[Quite a character]

i like them

.

their beats are grimier than most mans nowadays.

[Quite a character]

Read his blog, I think he explains himself and his views on grime well.

EDIT: Achilles would get duppied on a set as well.

steve o made achiles though

[Alias?]

Hadouken are swag. They make me want to kill.

[critic of musical arts]

i think they are shit

so that singer guy is the producer true tiger?

im sure ive heard some proper grime from him then

lol

[S.Man]

i aint a big fan but i like the fact that grime, as a scene, is influencing other scenes and spawning new ones!

[charma]

i hate them. like i really really do hate them.

[The Elijah]

sum of you disgust me

[x Cee x]

They not reppin the roadside

its not like they claim 2 b tho isit
there alrite still

[JACK]

grime dats not ''reppin the roadside'' aint real grime to me tbh

dere piece of shit although i aint heard that much

[Jimmy Darmody]

i hate them

.

[x Cee x]

they remind me of them indie, nu rave, emoish whatever u wna call them, ppl i c at raves like dirty canvas and i wna beat them up just because they r there

[Jimmy Darmody]

they jacked jmes flow aswel

[Top Lad]

Swaaaaaag

[Demos]

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their beats are grimier than most mans nowadays.

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[FG]

Only had a bit of a listen, the beats are ok, but I don't really like their vocals

Wouldn't listen to them out of choice, but I agree with James' blog fully

[Quality Control]

diluting grime

they a joke

[FG]

diluting grime

they a joke

Nah

They're not part of the scene as the guy said, but they take influence from it, which is fair enough given his background

If anything it is giving a wider exposure, and kids who wear BBK tees to gigs might actually go buy mixtapes, or listen to a 'Greatest Hits' or 'Are You Dumb' CD

From previous reaction about this band people seem to catch feelings and take their existence as a personal insult. I'm not really a fan, but just let them be

[Standard]

Bitten JME's style

and I dont like JME

so thats one reason not to like them already!

some of their synth's are sick from what i've heard

but I'm not a fan.

[The Egghead]

they remind me of them indie, nu rave, emoish whatever u wna call them, ppl i c at raves like dirty canvas and i wna beat them up just because they r there


With you 1000% on that.

[Leng Man Louie]

they remind me of them indie, nu rave, emoish whatever u wna call them, ppl i c at raves like dirty canvas and i wna beat them up just because they r there

errhhhhggggg ugm dem 1s dat fink gunfingaz is da new pointing

[4737]

I don't like them at all, but on another point...

elitism is killing grime.

t.

[Grimes]

fully grown's mandem

[wrongname&thewrongnumber]

these kind of fusions only really work if it goes both ways, with hadouken! it just feels parasitic

[Ghost45]

so that singer guy is the producer true tiger?

True Tiger consists of Stanza & Paul Fynn. Didn't know dr venom made beats for them though.

[2snide]

I thought this was gonna be a thread about wiley

[Tony Starks]

ate jme's flow and ran with it


i aint a big fan but i like the fact that grime, as a scene, is influencing other scenes and spawning new ones!


I don't like them at all, but on another point...

elitism is killing grime.

t.
agreed

[casual]

Ilike that 'Its not joke' beat on his myspace.. a lot.

[Reference]

is that what the phrase is about?

[petergunn]

Elitism is killing grime?

Care to elaborate on that point Taz?

uh, you must of missed this post:

Originally Posted by x Cee x View Post
they remind me of them indie, nu rave, emoish whatever u wna call them, ppl i c at raves like dirty canvas and i wna beat them up just because they r there

yeah, god forbid anyone actually spend money to go to a grime show and support grime artists...

['nuum general]

Elitism is killing grime?

Care to elaborate on that point Taz?

I think he means how insular the scene is to outsiders & how you can't get into the scene unless your jammers cousin

[Quality Control]

these middle class white indie kids who are on grime's dick all of a sudden signal the end.......

raves nowadays = 75% indie kids...

it's the reason i dont go anymore tbh

[Grimes]

Indie kids are cool as long as they wash themselves and stay far away me . non-conventional audiences are fine to me its just they don't understand what grime is about , and are the reason for its graduall erosion from its original roots