Grime can't be put on CD?

[frankD]

Cookie was making the point that some guys can't capture the grime sound and vibe into a mixtape album format.

Do you think this is the case, do you think there are exceptions?

It does seem to me as soon as you take grime away from pirates and raves, and try and sell it to the world you fail.

[Demos]

the hype on sets and raves can be translated into songs, a lot of ppl fail tho

[JACK]

yh dere are exceptions, we still hav alot big cds.

it depends on the artists imo.

some do sik radio and rave but cd ends up as an average at best (ppl mentioned in the other thread)

and

some can do a good cd but are never impressive on radio (little d, bashy, ot crew, all of aftershock mans)

[Eric Cantona]

Tempz does it well lol

[bailey_187]

dont agree.

Dizzee rascal - i luv u
are you realy from the ends
ice rink vocals
pied piper vocals
Mr Wong Feat Crazy Tich, JME and Flirta D - Every Endz
+ more

all captured the grime sound and energy, alotugh they where not all released on CD, the point was that the grime sound and energy cant be captured in songs wasnt it?

[Jay05]

i think too many mc's try to be artist and make songs.

They should stick closer to MC lyrics

Boy in the corner was a great example.


Some artist though can do songs

[Carter]

are you realy from the ends


all captured the grime sound and energy, alotugh they where not all released on CD, the point was that the grime sound and energy cant be captured in songs wasnt it?

Anybody got the Are You Really From The Ends tracks for me?.......man didn't have decks back then still

[frankD]

dont agree.

Dizzee rascal - i luv u
are you realy from the ends
ice rink vocals
pied piper vocals
Mr Wong Feat Crazy Tich, JME and Flirta D - Every Endz
+ more

all captured the grime sound and energy, alotugh they where not all released on CD, the point was that the grime sound and energy cant be captured in songs wasnt it?

They were one of songs.

I just mean to be translated into a whole mixtape or album.

Boy in the Corner was the best example to date.

[Pred]

There are two sides to Grime, and to be successful you need to be able to conquer both sides. More importantly when you are coming up is the live side, which is what I think has changed in the scene to be honest. You used to have people on radio and in raves on sets. You get the hype up, and then put out a CD, where is where you do a mix of the live part of yourself as an artist, then the deeper tracks or whatever that really showcase that you are good at this music thing. It's pretty much what Dizzee did now I think about it.

[frankD]

There are two sides to Grime, and to be successful you need to be able to conquer both sides. More importantly when you are coming up is the live side, which is what I think has changed in the scene to be honest. You used to have people on radio and in raves on sets. You get the hype up, and then put out a CD, where is where you do a mix of the live part of yourself as an artist, then the deeper tracks or whatever that really showcase that you are good at this music thing. It's pretty much what Dizzee did now I think about it.

People need to take grime live.
People respond to that more, well more than a hooded youth shouting rewind.

[Retrofreak]

If producers can get an array of different styles and emotions on 140BPM then well have more classic Grime albums.

There's a natural restrictions with making 100% Grime albums that will either squeeze people to be more creative or force MC's to do more Hip Hop imo.

140 works well on sets for hype and easy mixing ,but too much of one tempo range on an album can make a project sound bland over repeated listens.

Even "Boy in the corner" had Hip Hop to break it up a bit and thats the classic Grime album go figure lol.

[D*evil*s]

If producers can get an array of different styles and emotions on 140BPM then well have more classic Grime albums.

There's a natural restrictions with making 100% Grime albums that will either squeeze people to be more creative or force MC's to do more Hip Hop imo.

140 works well on sets for hype and easy mixing ,but too much of one tempo range on an album can make a project sound bland over repeated listens.

Even "Boy in the corner" had Hip Hop to break it up a bit and thats the classic Grime album go figure lol.

true... but the artist+engineer+producer need 2 understand wat direction they want 2 take the album...

[Jay05]

i think an album can be pretty much all 140 bpm

as long as the beats are varied

[TRU_G]

Albums need to be seen more as a complete project rather than a compilation of tracks the artist has recorded over a long length of time

[The Elijah]

Albums need to be seen more as a complete project rather than a compilation of tracks the artist has recorded over a long length of time

where is that nail on the head icon hij!

[Flawz]

Yeah I've noticed that alot of MC's cds aren't what you expect, and it seems (as Hij said) they're not putting together the right tracks, so it sounds professional and can be sold to a wider market, but still has the rawness of grime flowing through it, but rushing together a few good tunes and 90% crap just to get something out for the sake of it, which is dumb in the long run..

[frankD]

Yeah I've noticed that alot of MC's cds aren't what you expect, and it seems (as Hij said) they're not putting together the right tracks, so it sounds professional and can be sold to a wider market, but still has the rawness of grime flowing through it, but rushing together a few good tunes and 90% crap just to get something out for the sake of it, which is dumb in the long run..

Roll Deep is no.1 on what I didn't expect.

I think im still scarred from listening to that album.