What do you want grime to be?

[Jay]

Pick one then give your reasoning behind your choice.

[Steez]

Pick one from what?

[Jay]

my bad, polls up now lol

[Demos]

dance

[RIP Jakey]

I don't think its that simple I want a bit of both.

[Jack Aggy]

I'm Not deciding cos i like both sides and feel grime has the potential with a bit of originality from the artists to be both.

[Jay]

Ur feakin nukes dudes.

[Jack Aggy]

Ur feakin nukes dudes.

I might decide after i leng a drink.

[RIP Jakey]

Ur feakin nukes dudes.

lol what does that mean?

[Jay]

lol what does that mean?

Well an american once said it to me when I was playing Halo with him and I died. So take what you will from it lol

[ODDProducer]

A form of rap, there's rap and theres dance, i dont want them to go together like some sort of rapdance thats madness.

[Certain]

dun know a bit of both

[Big-C]

Dance, what it started out

[The Elijah]

Dance = Music

Rap = Words.

I listen to music primarily, words secondary.

[MedellinManDem]

Not like Wearing My Rolex, if that's what the thread is hankering after.

[Jay05]

Not electro, not rap

a mixture of garage / dubstep beats with an mc is fine

[JACK]

im happy with wot it is now, whether u call it dance or rap

[Pred]

@MMD:
What this comes from is a discussion we had last night on MSN. The jist of it is basically the scene started with a strong instrumental focus with MCs basically being an added extra. The focus was on the DJs and the instrumentals/vinyls.

It then tried to transition from this form of dance music (which was why it became popular) to a form of rap, with the focus on the MCs (who now want to be artists) so producers are making tracks primarily to have vocals on them. The dance/rave element fades away, but you have more of an ability to a scene with CDs as the focus on lyrics forces a upgrade in lyrical content.

Last night I was saying the dance music days were better, but I've just had a thought. 2004 was one of the best years of Grime, and it was basically a middle ground between the two ideologies of what grime should be. But still, I'm still focussed towards the dance music side, because that's where the scene came from, it's why Grime became popular and instrumentals and DJ focussed scenes work. I think mixtapes should be a section within the scene, instead of the scene itself.

[adidasgrandad]

Not electro, not rap

a mixture of garage / dubstep beats with an mc is fine

^^^^^ so i voted dance

[Alias?]

I said dance cos this is what Grime is missing right now, beats have slowed down too much and all the emphasis is on the bars. Dont mean I want to lose the MCs tho, just for them to spit on beats like the old days.

[U.M.P]

Rap All Day Long

[TRU_G]

Dance...

More emphasis needs to be on DJ's rather than MC's

[Quite a character]

Dance...

More emphasis needs to be on DJ's rather than MC's

.

for the millionth time

[feasible_weasel]

equal mixture of both.
without it turning into a bag of noise of some hip-hop rip off

[Demos]

Dance...

More emphasis needs to be on DJ's rather than MC's

real talk

[Quality Control]

not as black or white as that for me.....

i want it roughly in between but slightly more dance i guess

[Wiz]

why can't it be both?

['nuum general]

It should be rave music with emcees to create hype.

[Quite a character]

why can't it be both?

tried that and it failed.

[4737]

dance.

rave culture>>>>>>fake mcs chattin shit

t.

[Major]

i want grime to be what it used to be.personally i think you cud dance to it more then so id say both.then with the albums and the mixtapes id like the artists to still go into depth track wise.

[Steez]

If you're choosing dance, surely you should just fuck off and listen to bassline alie?

[TRU_G]

If you're choosing dance, surely you should just fuck off and listen to bassline alie?

fool

[Steez]

fool
How?

Explain how dance grime isn't bassline. When grime is double speed rap with a bit more bassline.

[Danny Trejo]

this;
http://rapidshare.com/files/60959730/Deja_Vu_-_Nasty_Crew_2002.mp3

[Steez]

this;
http://rapidshare.com/files/60959730/Deja_Vu_-_Nasty_Crew_2002.mp3
Surely the MCs there rapping, would make it rap?

Wouldn't it be dance if there were no MCs, or at least, just hosts?

[Danny Trejo]

I'm not answering the poll, I'm answering the question.

[Major]

If you're choosing dance, surely you should just fuck off and listen to bassline alie?

lol grime was ere be4 'bassline' and i u cud rave/dance to grime then so that statement is just bullcrap

[Steez]

lol grime was ere be4 'bassline' and i u cud rave/dance to grime then so that statement is just bullcrap
and Narrows was there before grime

Until there's a strict definition for grime, the borders will never be clear

[Major]

and Narrows was there before grime

Until there's a strict definition for grime, the borders will never be clear

it doesnt matter the fact u said bassline mean your statement was bullshit.



Grime music is typified by complex 2-step breakbeats, generally around 130 beats per minute and constructed from unorthodox sounds.[1] Stylistically, grime takes from many genres including UK Garage, dancehall and hip hop.[2] The lyrics and music combine futuristic electronic elements and dark, guttural bass lines. The rapped lyrics will often contain jabs at other musicians, and concerts are often organized as battles between competing performers, rather than simply performances.[1] As the genre has developed the lyrical themes have incorporated social and political commentary as well.[3] Due to its experimental nature and diverse stylistic influences, artists involved in the grime scene initially resisted attempts to classify or pigeonhole the style, resulting in a range of different labels, including sublow, 8bar, and eskibeat. Grime is sometimes associated with dubstep, a similar but largely instrumental genre which also evolved from the early 2000s UK garage scene.[4][


PRETTY ACCURATE TO ME BUT SOME MAN AINT RESPECTIN IT!

[Steez]

it doesnt matter the fact u said bassline mean your statement was bullshit.



Grime music is typified by complex 2-step breakbeats, generally around 130 beats per minute and constructed from unorthodox sounds.[1] Stylistically, grime takes from many genres including UK Garage, dancehall and hip hop.[2] The lyrics and music combine futuristic electronic elements and dark, guttural bass lines. The rapped lyrics will often contain jabs at other musicians, and concerts are often organized as battles between competing performers, rather than simply performances.[1] As the genre has developed the lyrical themes have incorporated social and political commentary as well.[3] Due to its experimental nature and diverse stylistic influences, artists involved in the grime scene initially resisted attempts to classify or pigeonhole the style, resulting in a range of different labels, including sublow, 8bar, and eskibeat. Grime is sometimes associated with dubstep, a similar but largely instrumental genre which also evolved from the early 2000s UK garage scene.[4][


PRETTY ACCURATE TO ME BUT SOME MAN AINT RESPECTIN IT!
Most of it isn't 2step though? By the 7th word, that definition is already lost.

[Demos]

mc's have always been secondary to me, for me its always been about the beats, in fact i would be happy if grime was an instrumental genre (not that i dont like MCs). i want the scene to be a DJ and producer lead scene where MCs are secondary

[Steez]

mc's have always been secondary to me, for me its always been about the beats, in fact i would be happy if grime was an instrumental genre (not that i dont like MCs). i want the scene to be a DJ and producer lead scene where MCs are secondary
At what point did the scene switch?

[Hij]

Instrumentals come first, therefore dance for me.

[Major]

Most of it isn't 2step though? By the 7th word, that definition is already lost.

because it changed

[Steez]

Isn't dance music based around the 4/4 beat?

[Demos]

At what point did the scene switch?

dunno :S

[Major]

Isn't dance music based around the 4/4 beat?

not all has that same 4x4 drum pattern.

listen to old grime its the only way your gonna understand.

[Steez]

not all has that same 4x4 drum pattern.

listen to old grime its the only way your gonna understand.
You've missed the point. Grime was never dance. Except the 4x4 tunes.

Dance music is tipified but not restricted to the 4x4 drum pattern, which very very few grime tracks have used.

[EllaDecember]

when you say dance.. you mean like garage music?
just a bit confused.

[Steez]

when you say dance.. you mean like garage music?
just a bit confused.
That's where this whole topic went wrong.

People are interpreting "dance" in different ways. I agree with you though.

[adidasgrandad]

not all music under the dance umbrella is dancing music. should have said instrumental music if thats what they meant

[Major]

You've missed the point. Grime was never dance. Except the 4x4 tunes.

Dance music is tipified but not restricted to the 4x4 drum pattern, which very very few grime tracks have used.

welll i dont think anyone in here means straight dance music but music u can dance to.

Wiley - Eskimo sure as hell isnt 4x4 and i can skank to that

pulse x isnt either

eastwoods tunes oddz there wud be too many to name.

[Steez]

not all music under the dance umbrella is dancing music. should have said instrumental music if thats what they meant
That's where it went nuts.

If it just meant instrumental music then that's what I would have said.

"dance" grime to me is either bassline or rolex, anything with the 4x4 beat

[EllaDecember]

the sort of music you would put on mtv dance basically is that what you mean?

maybe a mixture then.

['nuum general]

dance music = rave culture centred around clubs & radio with MCs there to add hype to host sets for the djs. Most common form of release would be singles followed by EPs.

form of Rap = MC based music with focus on mixtapes/albums. Instrumentals are made to be vocalled & live performances are PAs/Stage shows.

[Major]

That's where it went nuts.

If it just meant instrumental music then that's what I would have said.

"dance" grime to me is either bassline or rolex, anything with the 4x4 beat

SO WTF IS PULSE X AND ESKIMO THEN YOUR CHATTING SHIT BRUV

[Steez]

SO WTF IS PULSE X AND ESKIMO THEN YOUR CHATTING SHIT BRUV
Pulse X and Eskimo are grime. Dance music is not grime. It's not that hard to grasp.

Maybe you enterep "dance" differently. Refer to Dollie's post about MTV Dance for how I percieve "dance music".

Someone needs to define what "dance" means in terms of this topic. Whether it means 4x4 styles or rave culture like others have said.

['nuum general]

What do u define DnB, Jungle & Dubstep as then Statuz?

[Danny Trejo]

This thread gives me a headache.

[Demos]

dance music = rave culture centred around clubs & radio with MCs there to add hype to host sets for the djs. Most common form of release would be singles followed by EPs.

form of Rap = MC based music with focus on mixtapes/albums. Instrumentals are made to be vocalled & live performances are PAs/Stage shows.

which is what i would prefer

[Major]

Pulse X and Eskimo are grime. Dance music is not grime. It's not that hard to grasp.

Maybe you enterep "dance" differently. Refer to Dollie's post about MTV Dance for how I percieve "dance music".

Someone needs to define what "dance" means in terms of this topic. Whether it means 4x4 styles or rave culture like others have said.

BUTTT YOU CAN DANCE TO IT! i dont think the guy who made this thread means literally dance music as in speed garage electro or bassline

the grime being made today you cant even skank to.

[adidasgrandad]

This thread gives me a headache.

init. everyones got confused

[Steez]

What do u define DnB, Jungle & Dubstep as then Statuz?
I've never known the difference between D&B and Jungle except that jungle seems a bit harder and heavier while D&B can come soulful and vocal

Same with dubstep, dubstep is like minimal grime, running at halfstep without any of the main musical elements but plrenty of harsh percussion and sub

Everyone interprets stuff differently though

And everyone wants to listen to something else

So trying to conform a bunch of artists to one "type" or "style" of grime, which itself is a type and style, it just too much pigeonholing

[Ronaldo is the best]

abit of both

[ozman22]

Dance...its rave music for clubs, not slow rap for your car.

[Jay]

Dance in this sense wasn't meant as dance lets take a old tune speed up the vocal as quickly as we can and wave around glow sticks to it sense. Was meant as music that you can dance to in general.

[4737]

I've never known the difference between D&B and Jungle except that jungle seems a bit harder and heavier while D&B can come soulful and vocal

way off the mark.

t.

[MedellinManDem]

I just see Jungle as black man DnB lol.

[Quite a character]

jungle is to dnb what garage is to grime.

statuz mate, you are 100% lost. stick to hip-hop son. no sendage.

[Jay05]

I just see Jungle as black man DnB lol.

lol

[x Cee x]

a mixture of garage / dubstep beats with an mc is fine

skankable hype music
luvly jubly

[Jay]

Hmmmmmm, the 1xtra Rap Show.

[Royal-T]

I miss Garage.

[Major]

I miss Garage.

i liked garage but i like grime more garage was too girly battyfied to solely listen to

[inna p]

both

[S.Man]

I dnt want it to be a form of anything!

I want it to be something that genres in years to come will aspire to be like!

I want it to have hype MC's, deep contented MC's as well as able to get a whole room of people to skank out bussin gun fingers!

[Quite a character]

I dnt want it to be a form of anything!

I want it to be something that genres in years to come will aspire to be like!

I want it to have hype MC's, deep contented MC's as well as able to get a whole room of people to skank out bussin gun fingers!

its not gonna happen

[rudeboy-bandana]

dance/grime i can skank to. back to when you had to debate if it was dark garage or grime, not if its hip hop or grime.

[Quite a character]

dance/grime i can skank to. >>>>>>>>back to when you had to debate if it was dark garage or grime, not if its hip hop or grime.<<<<<<<<<

!

[RIP Jakey]

dance/grime i can skank to. back to when you had to debate if it was dark garage or grime, not if its hip hop or grime.

.

send me some then u cunt!