length of grime tracks...

[Miyagi Dan]

instra or otherwise, when compared to other and or older music genres of the same tempo (house,garage,dubstep etc)

-grime tracks seem to be 4 minutes long at the most

-dubstep tracks are normally 5,6 anything up to 8 minutes

-ukg tracks normally all over 5mins (excluding radio edits)

-and ive seen house/dance tracks up to like 12mins long

my question is why is this?

age/technical ability of producers in grime maybe,
not enough variation to warrant a 6min mix etc

discuss...

['nuum general]

good thread, i think one problem is a lack of variation. If you compare grime tracks to dubstep or jungle you normally see a long build up with a couple of drops in the latter two, whereas grime may have an 8 bar intro and then drop straight into the track.

[Steez]

House tunes go on and on and on and on when there's not much point ... house tune mixing, and probably dubstep to some degree, is more blended than grime mixes

Grime intros and outros only need to be 8/16 for a mix whereas you can get 64/128 intros and outros on house tunes which adds a lot of time to each end of the tune

also, vocal tracks are generally shorter because there aren't many MCs who can write 6 verses about one subject lol

It's hard to find a 4 minute grime tune as it is without features, or other MCs

['nuum general]

there aren't many emcees who can right one verse about one subject...

unless its shanking/road bars

[Miyagi Dan]

do u think its because the majority of grime tracks are aimed at mc's for mixtape tracks etc as opposed to instrumental with intros/outros for the benefit of djs and mixing

even the most hype instrumental grime tracks (steamstrain for example) the tune peaks 16bars in literally, im just as guilty of this as any other producer off this, but wen i used to make garage my tracks wouldnormally build for atleast aminute before dropping

['nuum general]

I think its more the instrumentals are geared towards emcees spitting over them in sets than mixtapes, but thats still means that they are being geared towards being vocals rather than instrumentals. It would be good to hear more tracks with build ups like say, j-Sweet - kerb, for example. Though some people would probably start calling it dubstep

[adidasgrandad]

having a 5 minute vocal = boring
producers could be a bit more creative and switch up the beat a bit more with drops or subtle changes in melody or drum pattern. might make instrumentals more interesting to listen to. grime mixes only really work if the beats are mixed quickly because it gets boring

[Odotkae]

Stop Comparing Grime 2 Dubstep/bassline/every Other Piece Of Shit Genres There Are!

If Grime Was All Like Them Then It Wouldn't Be Grime Anymore Would It!

[Grimes]

It comes down to two or more factors:

1) Producers unable to structure beats of long length
2) Inadequate songwriting skills of emcees

[FG]

It comes down to two or more factors:

1) Producers unable to structure beats of long length
2) Inadequate songwriting skills of emcees

thats not true

Producers could make beats of longer length, but they know an MC is gonna vocal it so it has to be structured in a certain way, ie 8 bar intro, 24 bar verse looped with a chorus

MCs get given a beat and they deal with it, not the other way round - a beat could be used for a freestyle and not a song

grime is totally a different genre from dubstep for example, which is an instrumental genre where producers can experiment more and produce more complex beats

[Jae Dave]

there aren't many emcees who can right one verse about one subject...

unless its shanking/road bars

getz me, true say!! that f-cks me right off ya know!! when i write bars i always keep to the subject.

[Quite a character]

grime is totally a different genre from dubstep for example, which is an instrumental genre where producers can experiment more and produce more complex beats

which is why so many ppl are now leaning towards it

[Hij]

Good for them.

Theres also loads of people who had fuck all to do with grime doing it as well, for instance one guy at work who is a dubstep producer.

I listened to an album once, boy does it get boring after the third track and a million wobbles.

[Hij]

Why would grime need a longer instrumental right about now, barring something used exclusively for a set?

[Quite a character]

Good for them.

Theres also loads of people who had fuck all to do with grime doing it as well, for instance one guy at work who is a dubstep producer.

I listened to an album once, boy does it get boring after the third track and a million wobbles.

admittedly too much wobble bass is boooring, but dubstep really isnt about just that. you should listen to the likes of mala, tes la rok, l-wiz, conquest and others who are more musical, before judging the whole genre. Imagine somebody listening to 3 tinie tempah tracks and coming to the conclusion that grime is love music.

[Miyagi Dan]

Why would grime need a longer instrumental right about now, barring something used exclusively for a set?

pretty much purely for a dj's benefit

beats with a decent intro (pref with drums from the start) are easier to mix/cue up

and as it seems at the moment grime is almost completly driven by sets/djs/live spitting as opppsed to mixtape/album releases it would make sense to have longer, more complex beats with a strong drum pattern imo

['nuum general]

Dj only sets are becoming more popular, the likes of spyro, mak 10 & vectra rarely have guests