Grime Graphics

[JoelBauta]

I've noticed that the level of grime graphics, covers in particular isn't that high. As a graphic designer I thought I'd do my share for the scene, so if you want some graphics done, PM me and we can talk. /Joel Bauta

Here's an example of what i do. I'm a swede so don't get confused by the language

http://webzone.k3.mah.se/KKM05017/sbklarweb.jpg

http://webzone.k3.mah.se/KKM05017/sbklarwebback.jpg

[Versatile]

Thats quite good.. I liked the Bless Beats CD Cover personally..

http://shop.avalanchemusichut.com/WebRoot/Store/Shops/es105224_shop/46F0/BD9B/4708/7961/0964/50ED/8971/50C4/BlessBeatsFront_m.jpg

[scribbler]

Hold tight the downloaded brushes

[Hij]

LMAO blatently a send

[Quality Control]

that's quite good actually. what's with the wheelchair though

[Anonymous]

Hold tight the downloaded brushes

Lol The Guy Spent 5 Mins On DeviantArt And Has The Cheek To Say The Level Of Graphics Arnt High.

Send For The Mash Scrib.

[Aaron]

I'm better than you and I am probably a lot younger than you as well lol. Downloading brushes, slapping them on a canvas and using blending options to gradient it from red to black isn't raw. No send.

[Lemon]

lol, i just like the title, Smutsbarn

and track 9!! Pissvader loool

[KingSizeBlues]

are you dumb!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

['nuum general]

lol at PARastudio

i think that was were they made blessed beats cd

[gingerchris]

he's right tho, the levels of artwork on a lot of grime releases is pretty low standard. There's plenty of talented designers that want to get involved, artists need to let em. Axiom for example, amazing ep, you'd never have known from the cover.

[JoelBauta]

never downloaded a brush in my life, that's scanned splatters and photographs you lookin at. But if you don't like it, you don't like it

The guy from SB wanted the wheelchair. Didnt dare to ask.

[Miyagi Dan]

lol can i ask wats a "brush" and why is it bad to download them??

[Steez]

he's right tho, the levels of artwork on a lot of grime releases is pretty low standard. There's plenty of talented designers that want to get involved, artists need to let em. Axiom for example, amazing ep, you'd never have known from the cover.
UK guys are greedy ... they don't do free work to build a portfolio, they won't even take backend cash ... they all want hardcore up front money so most artists look elsewhere.

[Anonymous]

never downloaded a brush in my life, that's scanned splatters and photographs you lookin at. But if you don't like it, you don't like it

The guy from SB wanted the wheelchair. Didnt dare to ask.

You Got More Examples To Post Up?

[Aaron]

lol can i ask wats a "brush" and why is it bad to download them??

Brushes are pre-made images (Usually made by other people) that you use in Photoshop, Paint shop pro etc. to enhance an image. You can turn any image into a brush but people make things like paint splatter brushes or blood brushes and that. Most people use brushes to a degree but it looks as if the front cover of the CD that the topic creator showcased was made by just using one big brush, resampling and colouring it and then adding some text on. And that takes no skill at all, I'm not saying he did do that it's just thats how it kind of looks.

Example of brushes:
http://browse.deviantart.com/resources/applications/psbrushes/

[Jenai]

For those who want to know about Real Artwork! Notice it isnt a pack of cards we photoshopped on, it was all made from scratch! Watch out for 7 Brand New Urban Nerd T-Shirts coming soon...

http://www.uptownrecords.com/forum/urbanFebfront.jpg[IMG]

[scribbler]

I had to do a deck of cards for a college project. was cool.

[Aaron]

For those who want to know about Real Artwork! Notice it isnt a pack of cards we photoshopped on, it was all made from scratch! Watch out for 7 Brand New Urban Nerd T-Shirts coming soon...

http://www.uptownrecords.com/forum/urbanFebfront.jpg[IMG]

Now that is art! Shower :stunned:
Nice work.

[Jenai]

Theres good designers out there! but you pay for what you get ;)

[Aaron]

Theres good designers out there! but you pay for what you get ;)

What kind of work do you get within grime? How do you charge do you do by hour or a fixed sum?

[Anonymous]

For those who want to know about Real Artwork! Notice it isnt a pack of cards we photoshopped on, it was all made from scratch! Watch out for 7 Brand New Urban Nerd T-Shirts coming soon...

http://www.uptownrecords.com/forum/urbanFebfront.jpg[IMG]

That Is Heavy.

Is The 16th When You Getting The Urban Nerd T Shirts In Then

[Jenai]

We will have the Classic T-Shirt (which is Black T and white 'Glow In The Dark' print of the logo) by the Feb event. Then in April we will be launching 7 brand new designs with Urban Nerd. Believe me by then everyone will know about it ;)

[Lemon]

We will have the Classic T-Shirt (which is Black T and white 'Glow In The Dark' print of the logo) by the Feb event. Then in April we will be launching 7 brand new designs with Urban Nerd. Believe me by then everyone will know about it ;)

:alot:

[Banditman]

Now that is art! Shower :stunned:
Nice work.

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[Wiz]

Using a brush is like sampling to make a beat, don't hate a guy because he does it, if used properly the end product can be very good.

[scribbler]

No its not, you should always use your own brushes.... Always!
They are not hard to make, so anytime you need a certain brush you should do it alone... Downloading someone elses is getting them to do half the worl for you.

[Steez]

I see what you're saying Scribs still BUT that's kinda like buying a synth and not using presets making a beat.

I personally think it's cool to use them as long as you edit them a bit, not just use as is.

At the end of the day, people only care about the end product, not how it was made anyway.

[Wiz]

the same could be said by producers who use live instruments and create their own sounds on synths....about producers that sample and use presets on synths

it's the same principal

[Steez]

At the end of the day, people only care about the end product, not how it was made.
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[Aaron]

No its not, you should always use your own brushes.... Always!
They are not hard to make, so anytime you need a certain brush you should do it alone... Downloading someone elses is getting them to do half the worl for you.

If people didn't sometimes use other peoples brushes then no one would get any work done lol. I think it's fine to use someone else's brushes as long as you dont go mad.
What work have you done that's 100% your own without any one else's brushes? No send just want to see lol

[scribbler]

Nah i understand but i dont even respect people who make tunes with bait samples... Fair enough you only care about the end product and i guess thats what really matters but i cant respect the artist who makes up a piece using brushes someone else has made... For example (I'm not saying this is true, only an example) take the image first shown, the birds could be one brush, click one or twice, the wheelchair could have been a brusn, click once and position. The flats - another brush, click once or twice and position.... even the street could have been a brush but lets say its a black n white photo... Can you respect that designer as a designer?

Much like getting a tune from the 80's, time stretching it to tempo, fucking with the eq to get it nice and high and adding a drum line... can you respect him as a musician? or is it about the guys who made the tune in the first place?

[Steez]

I think, the main point here, is business vs. art

My man could save hours of work sampling a beat or using brushes, effectively doing more with his day and making more money or he could spend ages crafting it from scratch.

[scribbler]

wow you make sense - do a bad job to make more money, great.

[Ari Gold]

lol scribbler. holtight movement - tempo specialists.

[scribbler]

Innit, holdtight the stock illustrations lol

[Steez]

wow you make sense - do a bad job to make more money, great.
Didn't say that did I?

The end product is all that matters, if a guy can make an end product a client is happy with in 4 minutes it's live, he can do more work and make more money.

The other guy who takes 3 days to design his shit from scratch gets less work done but gets the same result - a happy client. Overall though, he does less jobs over the year and effectively makes less cash.

[G-dub]

If i was lookin for a design etc, First person id go to is Scribbler!

Not cuz hes my boi! lol

Just think his final products are very good!

[Steez]

Scribbler's a lot, but does a good cover really shift many more units? Is it a worthwhile investment?

[Anonymous]

Scribbler's a lot, but does a good cover really shift many more units? Is it a worthwhile investment?

It Helps. Not Sure How Much Tho.

[G-dub]

Id say it was.

The Design n cover is what makes it stand out n look more proffesional etc.

U wouldnt buy a cd if the artwork was swag n done on Paint!

Ud just assume they didnt make any effort with it,

so its not appealing!

@ Statuz

[G-dub]

Lets just say, U wouldnt buy a jacket if it looked shit.

Even if it was comfertable!

[Steez]

I'd buy any CD based on music. In fact, having worked through the process of putting a CD together, I'd appreciate a WordArt front cover, printed at home and cut with scissors.

Artwork is a good way to shift crap music though still. Good music doesn't NEED good artwork, but it helps.

[Wiz]

From what I've seen I'd rate Scribbler better at working around photos, but for designs without photos the best I've seen is Samjp.

Have either got online portfolios?

[G-dub]

I'd buy any CD based on music. In fact, having worked through the process of putting a CD together, I'd appreciate a WordArt front cover, printed at home and cut with scissors.

Artwork is a good way to shift crap music though still. Good music doesn't NEED good artwork, but it helps.

^^ Thats tru is some cases.

But u need it to stand out!

If no1 has heard any of the music on it.

Then they would asume is was shit.

Due to the shody artwork!

Its all about pleasing the audience!

Even if the music is really good!

[Steez]

Lets just say, U wouldnt buy a jacket if it looked shit.

Even if it was comfertable!
I know what you're sayin still - I'm self consciouss so I buy the most expensive, sick looking jacket I can still lol.

BUT a CD ain't a lot to me ... it rips to iTunes and I never see it again ... generally, I order online so I don't even see it until it comes. If I can, I buy the album in MP3 - I did with Wonder's and having no artwork at all was minor to me.

But I understand the people who DO feel happy they've paid for the finished product still with complete artwork, label printing and a booklet etc.

[Steez]

Can anyone say how much Scribbler charges on here, or is it a per project thing? Ball park figure for design would be cool.

I got a few links to american mixtape guys and they are shockingly cheap.

[Wiz]

Last time I was told he gave quotes, can't remember how long ago this was.

[G-dub]

thinks its about ?100

then goes up if u want booklets etc!

Not too sure tho, ill have to ask him wen hes on msn!

[G-dub]

Just spoke to him.

Hes gonna come in ere now! lol

[scribbler]

or i could answer myself?

My artwork starting price is ?400.00 including photoshoot with Tim and Barry, Press shots plus artwork and promotional material... No photos and No promotion can be cheaper but i dont always want to be apart of a project with no promotional goods.

Plus Cd's with good artwork are proven to sell more than without... Remember, you see the product before you hear it.

[Aza T]

Scribbler
Hardsy
Chris
DK Designs
Dat Boy B

They are Good.

[Steez]

Remember, you see the product before you hear it.
True.

That's quite a lot but it's all done professionally still. I like the way you approach your work, but I just think that these days - with online shopping, the first impression isn't as big as it used to be.

[Steez]

Anyone got online vs. store sales units for a grime CD?

[Wiz]

Anyone got online vs. store sales units for a grime CD?

in this scene it's hard to get records of any unit sales

[scribbler]

True.

That's quite a lot but it's all done professionally still. I like the way you approach your work, but I just think that these days - with online shopping, the first impression isn't as big as it used to be.

Sort of, the first impression is different... But the impact you must make needs to be harder because so much is thrown at you on websites and forums and etc.. So you really need to hit hard and strike and give a reason to justify a listen... theres too much online.

[Steez]

Sort of, the first impression is different... But the impact you must make needs to be harder because so much is thrown at you on websites and forums and etc.. So you really need to hit hard and strike and give a reason to justify a listen... theres too much online.
True. Yea, true.

[scribbler]

Online marketing is difficult but its getting better.

[Steez]

Yeah I see waht you're saying still.

BUT I still think you can make a good design that will make an impact using pre-made brushes, even if is "cheating"

At the end of the day if someone could basically do the same job as you, slightly worse but still good, for ?5 - they're gonna go far

You know what I mean?

[abass]

Much like getting a tune from the 80's, time stretching it to tempo, fucking with the eq to get it nice and high and adding a drum line... can you respect him as a musician? or is it about the guys who made the tune in the first place?

dats pretty much wot daft punk do you know dey get bare ratings tho lol

[scribbler]

im not denying the quality of the design... I just dont respect you as much if your not doing your job properly.... Its not all money to me.

[Steez]

im not denying the quality of the design... I just dont respect you as much if your not doing your job properly.... Its not all money to me.
Oh then yeah yeah, on a strictly art thing doing everything from scratch is better.

[Creese93]

Loooooooooool