England's team's future

[Nine Bar]

All this talk about foreign players coming 2 da premiership ruining our chances of winning ne fin and saying we wont even have a decent squad soon is bollocks imo.
The u21 atm looks very promising, stars for the next 5-10 years for england
A.young, Agbonlahor, Bentley, Onouha, Richards, Hart, Richardson etc etc

what do YOU think laaaads

['nuum general]

The problem is some of these youngsters are not going to get enough first team football.

[Jay]

Hart?

[Eric Cantona]

Hart?

Next England no.1 i think, Man City Goalkeeper.

[Nine Bar]

Next England no.1 i think, Man City Goalkeeper.

yeh absolute showa keeper

Man city have probably the best youth set up in England right now imo.

I remember about 5/6 years ago when Crewe was bringin through all the youngsters to the big team, League1 and 2 football is also very important for the english setup in the future as like nearly every squad has like 70% if not more english manz in there so to say we dont have enough players is bollcoks its about getting them ready for it imo.

['nuum general]

middlesborough have a very good youth setup

[Alfie]

No Walcott? Surely one of the most promising players in the league.

[Nine Bar]

middlesborough have a very good youth setup

yeh forgot about them

and obv walcott i was just naming a few

[kossa]

yeah man england has a bright future just hope they deliver for once

[Jae Dave]

our future could be brighter but its far from bad we have great talents coming thru.

it is up to the managers to be giving the our young talent a chance...

as far as im aware only the likes of Hart and Walcott are being given opportunities

[AlexGv1]

The short term future doesn't look too good but i think we can start afresh when the U21 youngsters come through, examples being Micah Richards to name but one. Capello should keep them in shape, it should be interested to see what he can make of our team at the moment.

[Rambo]

if your good enough u will play

i dont buy all the forigen kids get more chances

[The Messiah]

The issue is not to do with foreigners clogging up the league but about English players reluctance to leave the Premiership. The Premiership is arguably the best in the world but Spain and Italy are world class leagues woith France and Germany not too far behind.

The teams that have done well in international competitions in recent years have players playing all over the world. France, Brazil, Spain and Italy have players in all (or most of) the five leagues I have mentioned above. Only Brazil has a relatively poor national league, so the arguement that players will stay in their own leagues if the leagues are good enough doesn't hold water as Spanish players could just as easily play in the Superliga and Superliga only if they so wished.

Different leagues focus on different areas of the game. Serie A is like drinking beer. You have to acquire a taste to enjoy the tactical football rather than the obvious enjoyment of the quick attacking football of the Premiership. In interviews, various French players said it was useful when they met up for training for the national team, when you would have players like Lilian Thuram coming from Italy (when he was at Juve) discussing the more tactical things that they focus on in training there. Whilst Theirry Henry would be discussing about the imporance of counter-attacking quickly from England. There is no such discussion or interaction of ideas on the training ground and in England, and thus that is why until the recent introduction of foreign coaches, 4-4-2 was the be all and end all formation for the English national side.

This is only part of the reason England's national team have not been doing well in recent times. The lack of a decent youth facilty and the emphasis on physical build rather than footballing skill (Ashley Cole was told that he was too small to be come a footballer. This is not an uncommon to thousands of children who get rejected from youth clubs becuase of their size). The argument that youth players do not get a chance to play, is true to some extent, but could be easily cirumvented by a more open approach to playing abroad. Fabregas, Messi, Anderson, Nani are examples of players that were playing or trained up in a foreign country. There are non-international players that are being trained up in various youth systems. Arsenal's is a good example. This is certianly not to the detriment of the English youth, because Arsenal's turnover of English talent is the same as any other club, however the majority end up playing for other clubs in England. Aside from the more famous names of Bentley, Upson and Pennant, there are lesser known Arsenal youths who are currently playing in the Championship.

I have more to say particularly about the English players playing for the top sides feeling that winning the Premiership or Champions League is more important than playing in a Competition qualifier and the inflated prices of English players also being a detriment, but that's enough for now.

[Hij]

What the Messiah said.

And besides, I dont care about England.

[adidasgrandad]

you forgot mark noble as well. lil freddy sears is coming long nicely too. micah richards is the future in the present

[Rambo]

kightly

:D

[Nine Bar]

now you said Kightly, is Ebanks Blake english JR?

['nuum general]

ebanks-blake is about 22 though i think, might make premiership but not england.

I'd mention frazier campbell as well though i am biased.

There was talk about trying to introduce futsol or whatever its called more into british academies as it develops players better technically.

[BIGDON]

you forgot mark noble as well.

bump its time for Noble to get a call up the shift Noble put in today was outstanding he was everywhere captaining a 10 men team for 80 mins he hardly ever has a bad game and is one of the best penalty takers in England

[FoundTheGif]

All this talk about foreign players coming 2 da premiership ruining our chances of winning ne fin and saying we wont even have a decent squad soon is bollocks imo.
The u21 atm looks very promising, stars for the next 5-10 years for england
A.young, Agbonlahor, Bentley, Onouha, Richards, Hart, Richardson etc etc

what do YOU think laaaads

wow, 3 out of 7 player on that list have good careers.

[Prophet Dan]

The issue is not to do with foreigners clogging up the league but about English players reluctance to leave the Premiership. The Premiership is arguably the best in the world but Spain and Italy are world class leagues woith France and Germany not too far behind.

The teams that have done well in international competitions in recent years have players playing all over the world. France, Brazil, Spain and Italy have players in all (or most of) the five leagues I have mentioned above. Only Brazil has a relatively poor national league, so the arguement that players will stay in their own leagues if the leagues are good enough doesn't hold water as Spanish players could just as easily play in the Superliga and Superliga only if they so wished.

Different leagues focus on different areas of the game. Serie A is like drinking beer. You have to acquire a taste to enjoy the tactical football rather than the obvious enjoyment of the quick attacking football of the Premiership. In interviews, various French players said it was useful when they met up for training for the national team, when you would have players like Lilian Thuram coming from Italy (when he was at Juve) discussing the more tactical things that they focus on in training there. Whilst Theirry Henry would be discussing about the imporance of counter-attacking quickly from England. There is no such discussion or interaction of ideas on the training ground and in England, and thus that is why until the recent introduction of foreign coaches, 4-4-2 was the be all and end all formation for the English national side.

This is only part of the reason England's national team have not been doing well in recent times. The lack of a decent youth facilty and the emphasis on physical build rather than footballing skill (Ashley Cole was told that he was too small to be come a footballer. This is not an uncommon to thousands of children who get rejected from youth clubs becuase of their size). The argument that youth players do not get a chance to play, is true to some extent, but could be easily cirumvented by a more open approach to playing abroad. Fabregas, Messi, Anderson, Nani are examples of players that were playing or trained up in a foreign country. There are non-international players that are being trained up in various youth systems. Arsenal's is a good example. This is certianly not to the detriment of the English youth, because Arsenal's turnover of English talent is the same as any other club, however the majority end up playing for other clubs in England. Aside from the more famous names of Bentley, Upson and Pennant, there are lesser known Arsenal youths who are currently playing in the Championship.

I have more to say particularly about the English players playing for the top sides feeling that winning the Premiership or Champions League is more important than playing in a Competition qualifier and the inflated prices of English players also being a detriment, but that's enough for now.

well said. u should post this to the head of the premier league n all the managers. true story.

[Tony Starks]

bump its time for Noble to get a call up the shift Noble put in today was outstanding he was everywhere captaining a 10 men team for 80 mins he hardly ever has a bad game and is one of the best penalty takers in England
No player in the championship should get a call up for the full squad imo

[MoneyMan]

wow, 3 out of 7 player on that list have good careers.

Mad how that basically also confirms what the OP was saying about English kids not getting game time/being given a chance.

It is nothing to do with foreigners, La Liga has bare foreigners but the best player at each club pretty much is Spanish, and they all bring through youth form their academies much more regularly (not just Barca).

[BIGDON]

No player in the championship should get a call up for the full squad imo

yeah your probably right i dont expect him to have any involvement yet but after the Euros were hopefully be back in the premiership he should get a look in tbh

[Kartel]

For the Euro's i wanna see a whole team filled with youngsters, if you don't give em a chance they won't be able to do anything!

[NE63]

The culture of English youth football is whats stops us, not the amount of foreign players we have. We still rely on pace and strength which works when you are young, but if you dont have skill or a good footballing brain, being a big fast fucker wont be enough when you get to play at a decent level.
I am sure most lads on here, like me were playing on full size pitches with full size goals from about the age of 9. All that does is to encourage you to hoof the ball up the pitch rather than keep possession and learn how to play properly. Until things like this are addressed England will continue to have talented players, but not enough to fill a squad worthy of winning the World Cup or Euro.

[adidasgrandad]

bump its time for Noble to get a call up the shift Noble put in today was outstanding he was everywhere captaining a 10 men team for 80 mins he hardly ever has a bad game and is one of the best penalty takers in England

lol shit, that was 3 years ago. mark noble is nowhere near international level now. and i mentioned freddie sears...lol eventhough i know for a fact he has talent iv seen it first hand but he doesnt seem to be good enough for the top 2 divisions. bad prediction by me.

[talkingthehardest]

I seriously think Hart will be the best keeper in the world real soon.

[Zoffie]

Reminds me of this thread

http://www.grimeforum.com/forum/showthread.php?62555-The-future-of-England-s-National-team&highlight=future+england

[StrallyMan]

I seriously think Hart will be the best keeper in the world real soon.

hes sick but i swear he cant catch the ball enough jus knocks it away bare.. sick keeper tho!