how do you get that fuller sound to your beats?

[L1ONE]

how do people get that fuller sound to there beats so its not a bait fruity loops beat. like my drums always sound flat and dont stand out. Yes ive tried different drums btw

[Breathe Beats]

a decent mix down is the key

but i am shit at doing them =[

[Miyagi Dan]

layered drums..

say u got a kick drum that u like but it sounds flat or tinny, find another kick drum that is very low and bass heavy (808 or sumfin similar)

everytime you play the first kick on the step sequencer play the 2nd at exactly the same time, same goes for snares

add a little compresion to all the drum channels then it should sound "fuller"

edit: thats jus what i do, i know alot of grime producers dont layer drums but its pretty much standard for genres like hip hop,r&b,d&b,house etc

[*Layzie*]

parametic eq

take down the vocal mixer and raise the treble and bass

compresser is good aswell

but eq dus it most for me. It makes sounds deeper and thicker

[Demos]

i eq my drums now.

and use more compression.

layering can also work well

[L1ONE]

ahh i normally layer, but it still dont work. i forgot all about Parametric EQ. im gonna try it now on something.

[*Layzie*]

ahh i normally layer, but it still dont work. i forgot all about Parametric EQ. im gonna try it now on something.

yh trust it makes difference

do all the eq shit....then mute the eq and it will sound ber dead.

[Steez]

Practice and engineering

[4737]

compression, eq, stereo imaging, etc

plus, using automations on the effects parameters can have some nice results.

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[Quite a character]

compression and eq is the key.

[Ruthless]

Mixing it all together well.
Assign each Kick, Snare, Hat, String and anything else a seperate mixer channel for each in fruity. Play around with different reverbs ect.
Pan everything aswell.
Thats all i really know :/ lol

[Steez]

You don't necessarily need EQ or Compression.

I can make a beat better than some finished grime beats without using either.

An ear for a really good sound, then layering it with a matching or deliberately clashing sound is the key.

[Quite a character]

You don't necessarily need EQ or Compression.

I can make a beat better than some finished grime beats that havent been EQd or compressed without using either.



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[Pablo Escobar]

By takin time with em, and listenin 2 em through ear fonez, car stereo, stereo and fone.. golla make sure its kriss.

[X Triple I]

Using strong, 24 bit stereo samples if you can, especially drums.

As said above, listening back on lots of different systems.

Mixing at a relatively low level, you'll never get a good mix while your banging the tune out.

I use quite a lot of compression on drums and synths. Then run the track through a limiter but be carefull not to squash the whole waveform.

[Retrofreak]

Good thick sounds to start with.

Try layering drum sounds from records and other analog sources.

Analog EQ works best even if it's from a small external mixer like a Makie,Soundcraft etc.

Try to use real Analog synths as they are naturally phatter than what you get from plugin's.

[DPZdapro]

Parametric EQ on each individual instrument e.g kick, snares etc only where its nessacary, Use the parametric Eq 2 (Fruity 7 or above I think) cos it shows you what frequency that mite need more emphasis, then putting the multiband compressor on the master fx channel with the preset 'mastering 2.4db' turned down to about 0.0db on the gain usually helps 2 give the whole thing a fuller sound..

[Royal-T]

Parametric EQ on each individual instrument e.g kick, snares etc only where its nessacary, Use the parametric Eq 2 (Fruity 7 or above I think) cos it shows you what frequency that mite need more emphasis, then putting the multiband compressor on the master fx channel with the preset 'mastering 2.4db' turned down to about 0.0db on the gain usually helps 2 give the whole thing a fuller sound..

Thanks ill try it.

[margadread]

compression

eq

reverb

the basic fundementals

[Anonymous]

Good thick sounds to start with.

Try layering drum sounds from records and other analog sources.

Analog EQ works best even if it's from a small external mixer like a Makie,Soundcraft etc.

Try to use real Analog synths as they are naturally phatter than what you get from plugin's.

I couldnt agree more. Alot of people download there drums off the net and stuff and then moan that they have rubbish drums lol. I love getting drums from old breaks.
As for Analog EQ I agree again, I have a nice little Mackie and the EQ is quite effective when looking to add that extra bit to that track.
Analog synths are cool too, especially the Moog Voyager.

[Quite a character]

I couldnt agree more. Alot of people download there drums off the net and stuff and then moan that they have rubbish drums lol. I love getting drums from old breaks.
As for Analog EQ I agree again, I have a nice little Mackie and the EQ is quite effective when looking to add that extra bit to that track.
Analog synths are cool too, especially the Moog Voyager.

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i have an extensive collection of funk breaks and a few salsa ones.

[Retrofreak]

I couldnt agree more. Alot of people download there drums off the net and stuff and then moan that they have rubbish drums lol. I love getting drums from old breaks.
As for Analog EQ I agree again, I have a nice little Mackie and the EQ is quite effective when looking to add that extra bit to that track.
Analog synths are cool too, especially the Moog Voyager.

^^^^Real Talk

Some of the fattest sounds around..

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[Steez]

Why get drums from old breaks OR the net?

Layer new drums with old OVER a break

[Quite a character]

Why get drums from old breaks OR the net?

Layer new drums with old OVER a break

thats what i do.

[Retrofreak]

Why get drums from old breaks OR the net?

Layer new drums with old OVER a break

^^^^Yeah

I think that's what they where trying to say earlier.

The main point is that the majority of drum sounds that come out of soft synths sound like plastic as they are stripped of bandwith and sound thin when there cranked through a digital source.

Weedy drum sounds are much better when layered with real hits from mic'd up kits or old records and boosted through analog toy's, just like the americans have been doing for years.

Even using an old MPC 60/3000 will make your drum's sound better than coming out of distorted output's in Logic lol

[Quite a character]

^^^^Yeah

I think that's what they where trying to say earlier.

The main point is that the majority of drum sounds that come out of soft synths sound like plastic as they are stripped of bandwith and sound thin when there cranked through a digital source.

Weedy drum sounds are much better when layered with real hits from mic'd up kits or old records and boosted through analog toy's, just like the americans have been doing for years.

Even using an old MPC 60/3000 will make your drum's sound better than coming out of distorted output's in Logic lol

using breaks jus gives the drums another level of sound that you wouldnt necessarily notice until it was taken away. like in dnb tracks.

[Anonymous]

Retrofreak, your clued up man. lol.

[Retrofreak]

using breaks jus gives the drums another level of sound that you wouldnt necessarily notice until it was taken away. like in dnb tracks.

Not always,

It depends on the application of the breaks used...fact

When a real drum kit is recorded through decent Mic Pre amps via tape and other juicy analog stuff, you get a fuller sound as analog handles distortion much better than digital.

The result of the above is pressed on to vinyl (another analog medium) ,which sounds much phatter than CD.

When you EQ a sound there must be decent harmonics in the sound to pull out in the first place or your only making things louder NOT phatter.

Most sounds that are coming out of plugin's sound thin and when you EQ them you only amplify the annoying artifacts in the sound ,because digital does NOT handle distortion as well as analog.

Point in summary.

There's more harmonics in breaks and real drums so when you EQ them you can get more out of it.

[Steez]

You still lose some quality when pressed to vinyl though, think it's at the top end, there's a roll off.

[Retrofreak]

You still lose some quality when pressed to vinyl though, think it's at the top end, there's a roll off.

True,

But most of the fattest 60's,70's and 80's recordings don't have crazy top end on them anyway.

The top end sound is a very early 90's Digital thing that started from around when Michael Jackson dropped "Dangerous".

Too much tops, can and will add to your sound being scratchy/thin, especially when your driving it through digital as it's starts to break up from distortion.

With drums I look for phatt warm bottom end and nice mids that crack without sounding brittle.

[Steez]

There's pros and cons to taking stuff from everywhere really. You just gotta experiment and see what works for you,

[S U P E R M A N !]

tube distortion

PSP Nitro used as a send

When i saturate sounds alot of the time i dont need to layer cos ive brought out extra harmonics thru distortion

Paralell compression is a next one but i dont know how to do that yet

[Quite a character]

Not always,

It depends on the application of the breaks used...fact

When a real drum kit is recorded through decent Mic Pre amps via tape and other juicy analog stuff, you get a fuller sound as analog handles distortion much better than digital.

The result of the above is pressed on to vinyl (another analog medium) ,which sounds much phatter than CD.

When you EQ a sound there must be decent harmonics in the sound to pull out in the first place or your only making things louder NOT phatter.

Most sounds that are coming out of plugin's sound thin and when you EQ them you only amplify the annoying artifacts in the sound ,because digital does NOT handle distortion as well as analog.

Point in summary.

There's more harmonics in breaks and real drums so when you EQ them you can get more out of it.

erm, ok

[[Mr_SnoWman]]

bare different techniques being said in here.

heres some simple advice to get a quick easy full sound.

Make sure you mix your tunes properly using = EQ and compression - individually for each channel (unless it dont need it)

and a simple quick way to get into mastering, if your on fruity/cubase/logic - download Izotope O-zone 1/2/3 - Its quite a well known industry standard mastering VST plugin, which at first glance scares a lot of people, but has a lot of built in presets which is good to tweak/change and teach yourself stuff.

hope that helped.

[true storys]

Ssl Duende......... If U Got Thep Dat Is Lol

[Retrofreak]

Ssl Duende......... If U Got Thep Dat Is Lol

^^^^Dun know.

There a bit buggy at the moment though, so I'm still rolling with Waves SSL.

[Miyagi Dan]

^^^^Dun know.

There a bit buggy at the moment though, so I'm still rolling with Waves SSL.

retrofreak where can i hear something you produced/mixed

[Retrofreak]

retrofreak where can i hear something you produced/mixed

I'm mixing a few thing's for various artist that are due for release shortly, as soon as there confirmed i'll let you know.

[Miyagi Dan]

I'm mixing a few thing's for various artist that are due for release shortly, as soon as there confirmed i'll let you know.

safe mate

[SCP]

open question 4 anyone, but what is the best program in which you should do mixdowns? iv tried doing it in fruity and it just isn't working out right.

[Retrofreak]

open question 4 anyone, but what is the best program in which you should do mixdowns? iv tried doing it in fruity and it just isn't working out right.

Pro Tools>>>>>>>>>>DP5>>Nuendo>>Logic>>>>>>>>>>>Others imo.

[SCP]

so would adobe audition come under 'Others' then? cos i did mess about with that 4 a while bt im not fully clued up yet
il hav a look 4 pro tools still

[Retrofreak]

so would adobe audition come under 'Others' then? cos i did mess about with that 4 a while bt im not fully clued up yet
il hav a look 4 pro tools still

Yeah I guess so lol!!

With Pro Tools, you need to buy a specific Digidesign or M-Audio interface to run it as they work as dongle's for Pro Tools see below.

Digidesign

M-Box 1,2,Mini,Micro (USB) or Pro (Firewire)
Digi 002/003 (Firewire)

M-audio

Various interfaces that support M-Powered

The Digidesign products are better quality and you get the Pro tools software for free with the interface + they bundle some plugins with it.

Try looking on Ebay US or getting it 2nd hand as it's cheaper.

[SCP]

alrite then il have a look.
safe 4 da info still