This is how you know a Grime album is good

[The Elijah]

You can listen to the instrumentals by themselves

This is what let me down with Skeptas album, he had Not your average Joe and Listen up on there and as instrumentals they really let down the album.

However if they released Skeptas Greatest Hits Instrumental edition, it would be able to stand up as a good piece of work.


When you lot are talking about your favourite mixtapes and that, some of the production on their is boring, lackluster and you could never play it on a grime set or feature it in a grimey mix.

Albums like Showtime, Against All Oddz, Star In The Hood and any of JME BBK mixtapes could have instrumental EPs released which would do alright.

What you lot think. Am I way off?

[Nine Bar]

think ur spot on

[Pristine Condition]

true stories u no

i agree wid u. (even doe greatest hits was a gd cd)

[The Elijah]

true stories u no

i agree wid u. (even doe greatest hits was a gd cd)

greatest hits is a good cd, but considering he is top 3 producers in my eyes, 2 have lackluster production from TNT and Cold Turkey at the end it just let down what I thought would of been an instant classic grime CD.

DTI Vocal, Reggae Vocal could of happened?

[Pristine Condition]

yh, i here u

tbh, i fink skepta gives his best productions to other ppl.

"sick in the head" to tinchy

"reggae" to jammer

more but cant fink

[The Elijah]

yh, i here u

tbh, i fink skepta gives his best productions to other ppl.

"sick in the head" to tinchy

"reggae" to jammer

more but cant fink

rockstar- jme/wiley

[kossa]

yeah its true what ur saying bout skeptas album
he called it greatest so you would of expected him to put dti on there

[S.Man]

i agree what ur sayin but also what makes a gd album is the fact the artist can take average beats and once laced them makes them sound greater!

[charma]

i agree but you could have the best instrumentals out with bless beats spittin on them and i still wouldnt even download.

[The Elijah]

i agree what ur sayin but also what makes a gd album is the fact the artist can take average beats and once laced them makes them sound greater!

doesnt that comprimise the sound of grime then, and just turn it in2 a lyrical art more then it is already?

[The Elijah]

i agree but you could have the best instrumentals out with bless beats spittin on them and i still wouldnt even download.

well there has 2 be a balance. but some of da more talented spitters got some horrible beats on their cds.

[Standard]

doesnt that comprimise the sound of grime then, and just turn it in2 a lyrical art more then it is already?

Yeah. I hate it when an mc spits fire over sub-par beats.

[Miyagi Dan]

100% agree with the first post

[S.Man]

doesnt that comprimise the sound of grime then, and just turn it in2 a lyrical art more then it is already?

Yea but even without the lyrical side the flow and delivery can make a beat stand out alot more.

Im not sayin the beats are avergae coz obviously u need a decent beat to spit over in the first place. Im jus sayin that its not only a good set of indstrumental wich is fundamental to the basis of a gd album.

You could a have a collection of great beats with an average mc. He may lyrically be good but together with a great flow n delivery it enhances a beat further!

[MedellinManDem]

Ur like me Elijah where you are brought in by the beat before anything else, but I don't agree with that making a grime album good, I just think your method is personal preference.

Liking beats is very subjective. I can listen to all of Ghetto Gospel, yet most people on here think it's shit...

[fedfaced]

skepta on his own beats >>>>>>>>>

listen to logans show when bossman came out of pen, skepta destroyed reggae differently

[Retrofreak]

i agree what ur sayin but also what makes a gd album is the fact the artist can take average beats and once laced them makes them sound greater!

^^^^agreed

Some tracks that sound good on albums are not always designed to sound good on a set.

I think its about finding the right balance between hype tracks and slow lyrical ones so you can express different emotions on an album.

Too much hype on an album works for the short term,but you get sick of it later imo.

BIDC had some shocking instrumentals that I wouldn't play on a set ,but when Dizzee put songs on them they worked.

[Jay05]

its a good point

I dont understand why Wiley doesnt release a bonus cd of instru's with his mix cd's

[U.M.P]

good point true

[quality]

Treddin on Thin Ice has some of the best instrumentals I've heard from the scene. Way ahead of its time.

[Grimes]

i beg to differ. it just shows that the beats are good

[The Elijah]

^^^^agreed

Some tracks that sound good on albums are not always designed to sound good on a set.

I think its about finding the right balance between hype tracks and slow lyrical ones so you can express different emotions on an album.

Too much hype on an album works for the short term,but you get sick of it later imo.

BIDC had some shocking instrumentals that I wouldn't play on a set ,but when Dizzee put songs on them they worked.

lyrical slow ones can still hav good beats?

JME- Deceased?

[Fewie]

100% agree, if i aint feelin da beat i aint listening to da tune, alot of da mixtapes dont have grimey grime tunes

[Demos]

100% agree, if i aint feelin da beat i aint listening to da tune, alot of da mixtapes dont have grimey grime tunes

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production is the MOST important thing to me when i listen to grime

['nuum general]

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production is the MOST important thing to me when i listen to grime

true for me.

[itshellz]

yh wot he said

[Flawz]

Yeah I can see where your coming from, but in the same respect, it could just be a very well produced album, where the inst's are put to waste

[Flawz]

But it is the most important aspect of Grime. A weak tune with a good MC on it will get hardly any attention, yet a heavy tune with a weaker MC on it will get LOADS (usually), maybe only for a limited time, but it does what its meant to..

[adidasgrandad]

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production is the MOST important thing to me when i listen to grime

but if it was a swag mc over it i still wouldnt listen. beat makers need to step up and choose who is the right person to vocal their beat rather than let anyone do so. this is when beat makers start to become producers i think

[S.Man]

basically its finding the rite balance between the two.

to me its all about how the MC interacts witht the tune.

one song that comes to mind (fair enough its hip-hop) Nas ft. Scarface - favor for a favor. The beat aint the greatest but the partnership both rappers form, and the content they spit other the beat forms a classic song!

u cnt have a swag beat with a great mc nor a swag mc with a great beat. It is up to the beat/MC to bring the best out in each other!

[RIP Jakey]

basically its finding the rite balance between the two.


Yeah I agree with that, but we always want classic albums beat selection neeeds to be higher for MCs making albums. If Skepta had 100% bangers as beats if his bars were average at certain points the beats could carry the song, and as a producer it could still be him carrying that song it's not necessarily a bad thing.