Fuck Dizzee

[ALM]

Whatever insecurities Dizzee Rascal is dealing with he has managed to discard them with a f**k em’ banner. When speaking to Dizzee you get no sense of him having any diffident qualities. Perhaps it is the ghettos of Britain that preserved and groomed his confidence and morphed into his music. Whatever the case, Dizzee has characterized his style of music as being “Ravey Hip-Hop”. He goes on to say that “It’s very banging and can be hectic at times but I’m always saying something.” Always saying something indeed. Saying things like how he “is Hip-Hop at its fullest” and that award shows are no more than “glitz and glamour”.

Since the UK release of his most popular album to date Math + English, Dizzee has faced the usual woes of success; judgment from the closed minded individuals who want you to keep doing the things you were doing before you had a plan. There also are the opinions from the Hip-Hop snobs who aren’t ready to accept the mix of Hip-Hop with the animated hectic sound of new-age rap. Despite the typical blockades the haters have thrown at him, this underdog can fill up a concert. The criticism might lead one to ask: Is he Hip-Hop at it’s fullest?

AllHipHop.com: There are not many young Black rappers from the UK that are crossing over into America’s mainstream. Do you feel any pressure to be a representative of the life you came from?

Dizzee Rascal: No pressure. That’s what I got from American Hip-Hop. It was a sense of where they were coming from. It was almost like they were drawing a picture. That’s why I got involved as well.

AllHipHop.com: You will be touring soon. Do you have a different game plan for the tour in America versus the UK who is already familiar with you?

Dizzee Rascal: Yeah that’s starts in May and it is going to be with El- P. I’m going to work hard like I always do and make sure it’s hot like always.

AllHipHop.com: Your album Math and English has an April 29th release for the U.S. Are you nervous at all about the reaction of the U.S. audience?

Dizzee Rascal: Not really nervous. America is another place for me. It just means so much because American Hip-Hop has had such an influence over me. I want the world.

AllHipHop.com: You do not have the typical gangster rap sound. Where do you think you fit in when it comes to American Hip-Hop?

Dizzee Rascal: I got some street action. I’m Hip-Hop at its fullest. It is about surviving and pushing forward as always.

AllHipHop.com: It seems as though the British Awards do not have much respect for Hip-Hop. Many of them do not even have a category for Hip-Hop.

Dizzee Rascal: Some of them do. Say for instance the Brit Awards didn’t. I don’t really think it matters man. If you take away all of the glitz and glamour it really just is a few people. F**k em’.

AllHipHop.com: Do you think that it might hinder Hip-Hop as far as crossing over and having respect in Britain?

Dizzee Rascal: When I was growing up there weren’t many categories on awards for Hip-Hop and people still went platinum. It plays a part. But in comparison, 50 Cent and Kanye West sold ridiculous amounts of albums last year in Britain. It’s not reflecting what’s really happening.

AllHipHop.com: On the newest version of your album, you are supposed to have two new tracks. What can we expect from these two new tracks? Did you do something particularly different on them?

Dizzee Rascal: They did not get finished in time for the first release. They are a reflection from when I was a kid just driving around being up to no good.

AllHipHop.com: For those who have never heard your style of rap music, how would you describe it for them?

Dizzee Rascal: Edgy, very energetic. I have the influences of Three 6 Mafia and Timbaland as far as their beats. I haven’t worked with them yet. I did work with Bun B from UGK.

AllHipHop.com: What was the experience like working with Bun B?

Dizzee Rascal: He is one the people who made an impact on Hip-Hop. For them to be embracing me like that it just means that I am taking that next step. Especially being from where I’m from. Its not like I paid them a lot of money to feature, it was genuine.

[Dizzee Rascal f/ Bun B "Where Da G's"]



AllHipHop.com: Are there any other American rappers you would like to work with?

Dizzee Rascal: Loads. Peedi Crack…

AllHipHop.com: Peedi Crack, that’s interesting. Some would argue that he is not one of the most popular rappers here in the U.S. Why would you choose him?

Dizzee Rascal: I heard him on the mixtapes a while ago and his flow is untouchable. His swagger and the track would be off the hinges.

AllHipHop.com: You focus more so on the talent you think an individual has rather than his popularity.

Dizzee Rascal: Definitely. I respect popularity. That is what it takes to maintain a mainstream audience. But I know that there are some ill rappers out here. Akon, GhostFace Killah, Busta Rhymes, Jay-Z, the list goes on.

AllHipHop.com: Are you still part owner of the record label Dirty Stank?

Dizzee Rascal: Exactly. I’m working with some new artists I’m going to put out. Newham Generals. They are getting radio play and will have an album out in April.

AllHipHop.com: You receive a lot of acclaim as far as word of mouth about how dope you are but the album sales do not match the praise you receive. How do you deal with that?

Dizzee Rascal: That’s just how it is today. I was in Australia doing a tour about three weeks ago. I only sold about 7500 records there. But the concert had about 25,000 people in a tent. That is like 16 times what I have sold. So you have to look at it like all these people did not buy the album but they like me and they will still come to see me.

AllHipHop.com: Are you ready for the big cross over when everybody does see how dope you are and the record sales go up and then you are being labeled as a sell out or commercial?

Dizzee Rascal: That’s already happen in England.

AllHipHop.com: What are your thoughts about that?

Dizzee Rascal: They can suck my d**k.

AllHipHop.com: Why do you think people feel that way?

Dizzee Rascal: Because it is easy to say he sold out... Blah, blah. But who really wants to make s**t harder for themselves? It’s easy to say that when you can’t understand the formula that took him to the next level.

AllHiphop.com: Do you think that there is something in particular that they are feeding from to make them believe that you have sold out?

Dizzee Rascal: The fact that they are feeding off is that I’m f**king gone. They can’t see me any more. I’m not stuck doing the same thing I was doing five years ago.

AllHipHop.com: Stuck in the hood.

Dizzee Rascal: Yeah, I will still go there but I’m not missing too much. It is bullocks. I sold records and that’s what I’m supposed to do.

AllHipHop.com: Of all the things you could be doing with your life. Why Hip-Hop?

Dizzee Rascal: I used to like Rock but it did not speak to me like Hip-Hop could. Hip-Hop is spoken word. You can say so much. Sometimes people listen to music and it could touch them in ways and they might not even get the lyrics. I like having that affect. I’m going to be here for a long time so you might as well get with it.

[screwface]

i hope dizzee gets aids and dies a long horriable death

[ALM]

AllHipHop.com: Are you ready for the big cross over when everybody does see how dope you are and the record sales go up and then you are being labeled as a sell out or commercial?

Dizzee Rascal: That’s already happen in England.

AllHipHop.com: What are your thoughts about that?

Dizzee Rascal: They can suck my d**k.

im not asking for him to make grime, but acknowledge the scene he came from.

[screwface]

init acknowledge the scene dat made him
hes like a ungreatful kid that grew up 1day to hate his parents

[Wiz]

So you're saying "Fuck Dizzee" because he said you should suck his dick....fair enough.

[RIP Jakey]

lol at 'its bullocks'

[fuk off]

I dnt watch dizz. Died musically wen he left da scene everthing after BIDC swag apart from signin the gens

[Escoguy]

im not asking for him to make grime, but acknowledge the scene he came from.

Swear in your sig it's supposed to be...


"If i die by the hands of the gun/
Dont cry/
Man were the guy that handled banged and had his hands on the gun/
Be proud of what you done, be proud of what you done/"

[ALM]

Swear in your sig it's supposed to be...


"If i die by the hands of the gun/
Dont cry/
Man were the guy that handled banged and had his hands on the gun/
Be proud of what you done, be proud of what you done/"

o safe

[critic of musical arts]

"grime" was not mentioned once

[bailey_187]

lol @ the American spelling of Bollocks

[Ari Gold]

Swear in your sig it's supposed to be...


"If i die by the hands of the gun/
Dont cry/
Man were the guy that handled banged and had his hands on the gun/
Be proud of what you done, be proud of what you done/"

does that even make sense?

yeah, didnt even read this whole interview. dizzee chatting shit. i try so hard to retain respect for him but its hard with shit like this

[EllaDecember]

i swear on his myspace, grime isnt even his genre (correct me if i'm wrong)

[Anonymous]

Dizzee Rascal:I’m Hip-Hop at its fullest.



No he's not.
Tell him to go stand alongside Raekwon, Pete Rock, GZA, Cormega, Ghostface, Uncle Murder and the rest of the hip hop guys and see if he still thinks that way.

[R.dot.Tubbs]

Dizzee rascal is now an american hip hop star, get over it and lock back into rinse

[danielnw2]

i use to have so much respect for dizzee but so much has now changed.

[Quite a character]

i doubt thats word for word dizzee

[Mister Lacey]

I think its a shame that Grime was not mentioned once. I think Dizzee has a right to be pissed that everyone was quick to slag him off for selling records.
And as for the "I'm Hip Hop through and thorugh" I think he means he lived the life like everyone else.
I dunno about interviews man especially from a strictly Hip Hop website.

[ALM]

i dont think logan should play his tunes anymore

[R.dot.Tubbs]

technically Dizzee was never part of the GRIME scene

['nuum general]

technically Dizzee was never part of the GRIME scene

how do u work that one out? u mean because it wasn't called grime when he was involved?

[ALM]

Swear in your sig it's supposed to be...


"If i die by the hands of the gun/
Dont cry/
Man were the guy that handled banged and had his hands on the gun/
Be proud of what you done, be proud of what you done/"

its actually mangle loool

[EllaDecember]

technically Dizzee was never part of the GRIME scene

what? how? (i'm just asking) explain please...:confused:

[critic of musical arts]

its actually mangle loool

loool trusay

[R.dot.Tubbs]

how do u work that one out? u mean because it wasn't called grime when he was involved?

Yeah. Thats why you'll never even hear him mention the word Grime.

He kicked before it the name grime came around.

[EllaDecember]

i guess that's a good answer, so basically Dizzee doesn't owe us shit, cause he was doing it before the name came around and even though it was pirate radio that elevated him...

[Randy]

I dnt watch dizz. Died musically wen he left da scene everthing after BIDC swag apart from signin the gens

i disagree, few underrated tracks on showtime, dreams was embarrasing tho. but yeh he lost it after that. seemed like after the lack of success that got he'd do any music to be amongst the glitz and glamour

[ALM]

lol he comes from the grime scene, doesnt matter whether it was named or not

['nuum general]

Yeah. Thats why you'll never even hear him mention the word Grime.

He kicked before it the name grime came around.

he was still part of the scene though, whether u call it grime/garage/2 step/sublow.

He was never did hip hop until he was signed. Its the lack of respect to the scene & his musical roots which is dissapointing. Without the pirates & sidewinder i doubt he would be where he is now

[Mister Lacey]

I've heard Dizzee mention Grime a few times (trying to pinpoint when).
You lot are mad though obviously BIDC by far is Dizzee at his best but the other 2 albums are decent too man.

[ALM]

he was still part of the scene though, whether u call it grime/garage/2 step/sublow.

He was never did hip hop until he was signed. Its the lack of respect to the scene & his musical roots which is dissapointing. Without the pirates & sidewinder i doubt he would be where he is now

without wiley encouraging his talent, we would have never heard of dizzee rascal

[Mister Lacey]

Its the lack of respect to the scene & his musical roots which is dissapointing.

^

[Bluntwun]

I smell hateration

Get off the dick of the dizzee hating president please..

How can you diss him? Mans gone from level to level now hes making MOVES.

Respect the dude.. he is hip hop and grime is a form of hiphop. What has he done thats so bad?

Why not respect him for doin well rather than takin the bait hating/sell out route?

[EllaDecember]

its like we're crying over dizzee, let him be a bastard, grime is big we've got people that are much better than him in scene. who cares about him, if you don't know where you're from, you don't know where you're going.

[ALM]

Respect the dude.. he is hip hop and grime is a form of hiphop. What has he done thats so bad?


ban this yout

[G.K.]

I smell hateration

Get off the dick of the dizzee hating president please..

How can you diss him? Mans gone from level to level now hes making MOVES.

Respect the dude.. he is hip hop and grime is a form of hiphop. What has he done thats so bad?

Why not respect him for doin well rather than takin the bait hating/sell out route?

Hi Dizzee, when did u sign up?

[The sickest guy]

lol he comes from the grime scene, doesnt matter whether it was named or not

Bruv,

thats 100% REAL TALK!!....and no one outside of this forum even thinks of him as a hip-hop mc they see him as a GRIME mc whether he likes it or not!!!

['nuum general]

Bruv,

thats 100% REAL TALK!!....and no one outside of this forum even thinks of him as a hip-hop mc they see him as a GRIME mc whether he likes it or not!!!

back already??

[Big-C]

So you're saying "Fuck Dizzee" because he said you should suck his dick....fair enough.

and he says "im hip hop to the fullest"

cunt, doesnt even mention Grime

[Mister Lacey]

I think there is a lot of unnessacary hating in this thread. I agree with some of the points to a degree. But even Maths and English is Grime influenced if you can't hear that you must be slow. If Dizzee can't accept that than he is slow.
Dizzee is flying a Grime flag regardless if he chooses to or not.

[ALM]

I think there is a lot of unnessacary hating in this thread. I agree with some of the points to a degree. But even Maths and English is Grime influenced if you can't hear that you must be slow. If Dizzee can't accept that than he is slow.
Dizzee is flying a Grime flag regardless if he chooses to or not.

i dont think he is though, although manths and english had grimey influences, by refusing to acknowledge the scene, and constantly refer to it as hip hop many will begin to see it as hip hop.

[EllaDecember]

he's going to come crawling back like kano, just watch.

[Mister Lacey]

i dont think he is though, although manths and english had grimey influences, by refusing to acknowledge the scene, and constantly refer to it as hip hop many will begin to see it as hip hop.

But majority of people know he is Grime, even Hip Hop heads in America will research and know where his sound originates from. It's a shame he doesn't just say yeah Im Grime.. But people will know anyway.
He is releasing Nehams in April (so he says) they are Grime.
So hopefully Stank pushes them in a big way.

[Mister Lacey]

he's going to come crawling back like kano, just watch.


LOL I still aint seen Kano crawling back.
And Dizzee is in a far better position then K has ever been.

['nuum general]

i'll believe the gens album when(if) it drops.

[ALM]

But majority of people know he is Grime, even Hip Hop heads in America will research and know where his sound originates from. It's a shame he doesn't just say yeah Im Grime.. But people will know anyway.
He is releasing Nehams in April (so he says) they are Grime.
So hopefully Stank pushes them in a big way.

maybe maybe


leave my friends in the endz ,i aint dizzee blud

[EllaDecember]

yeah kano's crawling back truss me, when his label thing flopped, now he's on grime, the uk hip hop thing flopped. and i dont think the kate nash thing worked out that well

[ALM]

loooooooool dizzee aint ever coming back

[EllaDecember]

hmm maybe... but do you lot want him back or do you just want him to be like "i was grime now i evolved into uk hip hop"

[Mister Lacey]

LOL I'm gonna chat to some heads and see if I can blag a Dizzee interview when he is in LA (May). If I pull it off I'll post an "Ask Dizzee" thread and just be direct about it.

[The merkiest guy]

No he's not.
Tell him to go stand alongside Raekwon, Pete Rock, GZA, Cormega, Ghostface, Uncle Murder and the rest of the hip hop guys and see if he still thinks that way.


I agree and disagree at the same time!! I mean I think Dizze should listen to Sarah Love's show on 1 xtra!! that too me is real gritty Hip Hop...But then again he is spitting to a beat so its a form off Hip Hop.

[Mister Lacey]

LOL Randomly throwing Sarah Loves name in there. Harry Love would have been a better name, guys deep with his conversations trust. But Dizzee listening to Sarah Love aint gonna change his attitude.

['nuum general]

LOL Randomly throwing Sarah Loves name in there. Harry Love would have been a better name, guys deep with his conversations trust. But Dizzee listening to Sarah Love aint gonna change his attitude.

big producer

[EllaDecember]

there not gonna take him seriously doing hip hop, didnt you see all the negative comments devlin got from the yanks on kanye's blog.

[bailey_187]

who fucks sarah love?

[Mister Lacey]

Sarah Love is a Hip Hop DJ girlfriend (I think still) of Harry Love (one of the UK's best Hip Hop producers and ex scratch pervert). And Devlin got BARE positive feedback on that blog too.

[bailey_187]

ah seen. yeah i know who harry love is, produced few foreign beggars tunes hasnt he?

[4737]

dizz has been smoking the commercial crack pipe long enough to believe his own hype. it's not surprising the bullshit he spouts these days, because his PR people have been filling his head with this nonsense since he got signed.

fuck dizz. this scene wouldn't be better with him in it, it's long since he even acknowledged it and he won't have anything to do with it again (aside from the newham generals stuff that his pseudo-label *might* release this decade). let him fade into relative chart-sucking obscurity and deal with his finance and property in the years to come.

t.

[Eric Cantona]

Dizzee Rascal is different league to Devlin.

[BananaMan]

Swear in your sig it's supposed to be...


"If i die by the hands of the gun/
Dont cry/
MANGLE the guy that handled banged and had his hands on the gun/
Be proud of what you done Blud
Cant rest in piece without the guy getting deceased and slumped"

correction still

[slu-wasteguy]

all im gonna say is you cant knock da hussstle

[BananaMan]

BTW if it was wretch or someone from the movement saying that, you lot would probably disown them, why any different from dizzee? He said he "IS" hiphop? abit OTT?

[Ghost45]

i dont think he is though, although manths and english had grimey influences, by refusing to acknowledge the scene, and constantly refer to it as hip hop many will begin to see it as hip hop.

You have to give him his dues but not acknowledging the grime scene and saying he gets called a sell out for selling records is a par to us real fans who we're buying his records when he was a no body!!!

[pcollins]

whatever the case is.. bidc is still yet to be bettered. i dont see it happening anytime soon either. people are still catching up to his levels. he's done grime man, he had nowhere else to go, so i can understand why he is tryin to look at a world stage now. its just a shame cus his new stuff is a pile of wank, wasted grime talent but thats just the way it is.

[The merkiest guy]

Sarah Love is a Hip Hop DJ girlfriend (I think still) of Harry Love (one of the UK's best Hip Hop producers and ex scratch pervert). And Devlin got BARE positive feedback on that blog too.


Who's Harry Love I've never heard of him? could you post some legal material of him...

[Ghost45]

whatever the case is.. bidc is still yet to be bettered. i dont see it happening anytime soon either. people are still catching up to his levels. he's done grime man, he had nowhere else to go, so i can understand why he is tryin to look at a world stage now. its just a shame cus his new stuff is a pile of wank, wasted grime talent but thats just the way it is.

He could have pushed the grime sound a million miles further but chose to llow it he's looking at the world stage yes but it's a shame he's not looking to bring grime to the world stage with him.

[The merkiest guy]

who fucks sarah love?


See a hip hop dj on 1 xtra......she got a catchy/sexy voice!!

['nuum general]

Who's Harry Love I've never heard of him? could you post some legal material of him...

X1659O4Q59k

[Pristine Condition]

its a surpise wot dizzee said

but his best track off maths and english was a grime song wid footsie on production

"u cant tell me nuffin"

[Carter]

You all pushed him to this, listen to the production on his albums, never changed just got better and he added some commerical tracks

Signed Newham Generals
Performed at Sidewinder and Rinse, they both helped make him!
Made Lemon and Murkle Man Remix
Production from Youngsta, Wonder & Footsie
Features from God's Gift & Wiley
Did Risky Roadz 1 & 2

erm and Kano had Demon as his hype man and sold out......BUT WELCOME BACK KANE!!!!!!! WE MISSED YOU!!!

[Crawla III.]

Been 4/5yrs & people still want him back. Llow it hes gone.

[4737]

I swear people still hold BIDC dear merely because it was a milestone in grime. Not because it's actually unbetterable or because it's infact anything special beyond being a decent album, but because it represented that time in grime.

People need to lay off the "holy grail" chat and realise that it's not the be-all and end-all. There's only a few tracks I can still listen to without it sounding dated, imo.

t.

[Retrofreak]

I swear people still hold BIDC dear merely because it was a milestone in grime. Not because it's actually unbetterable or because it's infact anything special beyond being a decent album, but because it represented that time in grime.

People need to lay off the "holy grail" chat and realise that it's not the be-all and end-all. There's only a few tracks I can still listen to without it sounding dated, imo.

t.

^^^^Real Talk

[4737]

Swear some cats come like a jilted girlfriend... "he was the best ever.... he'll come back...." *cries into pillow*

Reality check!

t.

[topcat]

I don't particularly like where Dizzee is going atm but he still killed off raves and radio back in the day and he has my respect for that

[Carter]

The fact is Dizzee Rascal is a better song writer than anyone from Grime. He wasn't even about when this name Grime was created, so why should he say he is Grime? Roll Deep Crew were making Eski Beat at the time, not grime or garage....so get off your high horses because most of you were listening to DMX and Ja Rule at this time!

Oh yeah and Axiom EP was Hip Hop according to Durrty Goodz.......but he still reps???? Its just full on hate for Dizzee Rascal because he blew and the production on Boy In The Corner, is still trying to be recreated by producers now after they figured out that they are not The Heatmakers

[FG]

I swear people still hold BIDC dear merely because it was a milestone in grime. Not because it's actually unbetterable or because it's infact anything special beyond being a decent album, but because it represented that time in grime.

People need to lay off the "holy grail" chat and realise that it's not the be-all and end-all. There's only a few tracks I can still listen to without it sounding dated, imo.

t.

Agree with everything you've said in this thread, esp. the commercial crackpipe bit, but BIDC was different. It was a milestone down to the quality of the album as well, not merely because of the time in which it was made, though that was undoubtedly a part of it. In relation to the grime scene, it is easily the best album that has ever emerged from it.

Rate Dizzee, he's just trying to get big, grime fans need to lay off a tad when someone moves on. All the same, sympathise and agree with semtiments about him acknowledging where he came from. In light of this, to say he is 'hip hop to the fullest' is hard to accept.

[Retrofreak]

Dizzee is sick and is very good song writer ,but I feel BIDC was good for the time but IS way overrated imo.

The overall production was weak ,but Dizzee managed to make sense out of random beats, because he's a good songwriter period.

His songs connected with me ,but the majority of the beats and mixdown from a production stand point where poor imo.

['nuum general]

I think goodz is a better songwriter than dizzee for a start & axiom was grimier than anything dizzee's put out since BIDC. The point the dizzee "never was grime" is ridiculous. I doubt see why he make's such an effort to distance himself from what he started out as even if he doesn't do grime anymore. Its a stark contrast to bashy who has always done hip hop along with grime. He's one of the first to say he's from the grime scene in interviews

[ALM]

durrty goodz is a better mc than rascal ever was. At least he acknowledges grime.

[S.Man]

Parred the scene off differently.

Doesnt it tell him something that the only album he got critical acclaim for was BIDC (grime) since goin "hip-hop" his music isnt being praised as highly.

He is clearly more focused on making money rather than good music.

The only thing that pisses me off is that it seems that he HAS forgotten his roots. It dont bother me that i dnt see him, hear him on radio etc he could be in LA n still be making grime and good music. If he wanted to do hip-hop why didnt he do tune with SAS instead of goin to sidewinder?

[Carter]

Bashy makes grime? Can some upload the grime mixtapes he released because I only have 2 hip hop mixtapes........safe

Durrty Goodz left Boyz In Da Hood because they made Grime music, the music is for kids, he said! He spent the years before the Shak/Richie incident making swag Hip Pop, that was on the same level as Big Brovaz! After getting dropped and being put on remand, and escaping life in prison, he decided to try the grime because the UK Hip Hop thing didn't work, after releasing Axiom, a great Dubstep record with a couple grime tracks to major acclaim from fans, he got confidant again and called it hip hop.....so don't give me the Durrty Goodz crap please

[Retrofreak]

Bashy makes grime? Can some upload the grime mixtapes he released because I only have 2 hip hop mixtapes........safe

Durrty Goodz left Boyz In Da Hood because they made Grime music, the music is for kids, he said! He spent the years before the Shak/Richie incident making swag Hip Pop, that was on the same level as Big Brovaz! After getting dropped and being put on remand, and escaping life in prison, he decided to try the grime because the UK Hip Hop thing didn't work, after releasing Axiom, a great Dubstep record with a couple grime tracks to major acclaim from fans, he got confidant again and called it hip hop.....so don't give me the Durrty Goodz crap please

You seem to know so much of this album you should up it?

[Carter]

You seem to know so much of this album you should up it?

What album?? I didn't mention an album........

Durrty Goodz could make the most grimey album ever and would still call it Hip Hop because he doesn't respect Grime Music.....never has

[ALM]

its irrelavent what durrty goodz does anyway

it doesnt stop dizzee looking like a prick.

[Retrofreak]

What album?? I didn't mention an album........

Durrty Goodz could make the most grimey album ever and would still call it Hip Hop because he doesn't respect Grime Music.....never has

Skeen Ok,

You said tracks comparable to "Big Brovaz"?? so naturally being with Polydor the tracks you heard would've been made for an album surely??

Whenever I hear Goodz in interviews and on radio he say's the name Grime and talks about Grime in his lyrics.

So how does he not respect it?

[Carter]

its irrelavent what durrty goodz does anyway

it doesnt stop dizzee looking like a prick.

It is irrelevant but why different rules for Durrty Goodz when Dizzee Rascal has done more and said the same thing? To me Dizzee Rascal makes Dizzee Rascal Music, that was here before Grime, If JME made Graftin, Face, Paranoid or Where Da G's, you wouldn't hear none of this rubbish about hip hop because it just sounds like Dizzee Rascal, how he has always sounded, and thats whats annoying

[4737]

"Where's da g's" just sounds like a british attempt at yank-hop.

I take your point carter, but in all fairness, if it was the case that dizzee hasn't changed and that infact he just makes "dizzee rascal music" or whatever, then his output must have just got progressively worse since BIDC, because these days, when I hear a Dizzee tune on the radio, I change stations. It's not that I don't like his previous work (although I do think the beauty of BIDC is the fact that his songwriting talent back then made average beats sound great), but the stuff he comes with these days holds zero interest for me. Nada.

When goodz talks about hiphop, and he has explained this at length before, he sees all MC culture as hiphop. To him, grime falls under that umbrella. He's nothing less than consistantly enthused by grime music, and will continue to make grime music (as well as do some other things that fall outside the tempo or disputed definition of grime - 'marijuana' being a prime example of this).

This isn't a discussion about semantics and definitions anyway, this is about music.

t.

[Carter]

Seen Ok,

You said tracks comparable to "Big Brovaz"?? so naturally being with Polydor the tracks you heard would have been made for an album surely??

Whenever I hear Goodz in interviews and on radio he say's the name Grime and talks about grime in his lyrics.

So how does he not respect it?

The album never got released but every track on Durrty Whirl, Lord Of The Decks 2, Too Fast and Ferocious was hip hop or something else, thats what im judging it on, plus HE LEFT THE SCENE, at that time so why would he be making a grime album....why would I think that!?! On Polydor....home of Miss Dynamite and Shystie

So when he is on Semtex and Ras Kwame, he should get respect for mentioning grime, in between the hip hop and artist talk.......its a sales move, a bloody smart one because people are eating it up! Count up all the years in music for Durrty Goodz and Dizzee Rascal and Dizzee Rascal has still made more grime music and done more for the scene than Durrty or anybody

[R.dot.Tubbs]

Whenever goodz mentions grime its never in a good way really, especially in his songs.

usually refers to grime being a sket or suttin along dem lines.

[Carter]

"Where's da g's" just sounds like a british attempt at yank-hop.

t.

wow..........

Yeah that kick, snare and bassline scream Hip Hop! Its blatantly a mixture of grime and hip hop with the west coast G-Funk sound, mixed with Grime and american guests UGK.....Nobody has ever done something like that and kept their britsh identity.....not SAS, Klashnekoff.....nobody

[4737]

check the edit.

t.

[Retrofreak]

Whenever goodz mentions grime its never in a good way really, especially in his songs.

usually refers to grime being a sket or suttin along dem lines.

Not true.

He stood up for Grime in front of Professor Green and Semtex.
He constantly bigs up MC's how is that negative?

[Carter]

check the edit.

t.

And again its the same thing with Dizzee Rascal, He produces his own music and it was put under the grime genre but now he tries some different things he gets called a sell out and his music has changed, when there are worse offenders out there Kano, Durrty Goodz, Roll Deep and Lethal B......who did this shit barefaced and came running back to the scene! While Dizzee has been making songs with Youngsta, Wonder, Footsie, Jammer and Mizz Beatz and signing the Newham Generals.....its not a fuck Dizzee Rascal ting, if its fuck Dizzee Rascal, then its fuck Durrty Goodz and most of scene

[hyperfrank]

That's the thing, it's so easy for us to say FUCK DIZZEE... but the guy has been through a lot. The hate he gets even when he was on pirate radiowas a lot towards him so expect him to be a little anoyed about it. He's moved in a completely different direction and to be brutaly honest... I respect him no matter what happens. Wiley's making bloody electro to get some money... Dizzee was long gone before the name grime came about. As a mainstream album I enjoyed his album, fuck it... But his management made a HUGE mistake with the way they handled a lot of things with promotion which I won't even go into.

[Retrofreak]

The album never got released but every track on Durrty Whirl, Lord Of The Decks 2, Too Fast and Ferocious was hip hop or something else, thats what im judging it on, plus HE LEFT THE SCENE, at that time so why would he be making a grime album....why would I think that!?! On Polydor....home of Miss Dynamite and Shystie

So when he is on Semtex and Ras Kwame, he should get respect for mentioning grime, in between the hip hop and artist talk.......its a sales move, a bloody smart one because people are eating it up! Count up all the years in music for Durrty Goodz and Dizzee Rascal and Dizzee Rascal has still made more grime music and done more for the scene than Durrty or anybody

Carter,

Dizzee has dropped bare albums...Goodz is yet to drop his debut?

Don't you think you should reserve you judgement until he put's out his first album?

It saves you possibly looking like a donut if he proves your assumptions wrong.

[Retrofreak]

And again its the same thing with Dizzee Rascal, He produces his own music and it was put under the grime genre but now he tries some different things he gets called a sell out and his music has changed, when there are worse offenders out there Kano, Durrty Goodz, Roll Deep and Lethal B......who did this shit barefaced and came running back to the scene! While Dizzee has been making songs with Youngsta, Wonder, Footsie, Jammer and Mizz Beatz and signing the Newham Generals.....its not a fuck Dizzee Rascal ting, if its fuck Dizzee Rascal, then its fuck Durrty Goodz and most of scene

I aint got NO problem with Dizzee,

He speaks his mind and makes good music....simple

[Carter]

That's the thing, it's so easy for us to say FUCK DIZZEE... but the guy has been through a lot. The hate he gets even when he was on pirate radiowas a lot towards him so expect him to be a little anoyed about it. He's moved in a completely different direction and to be brutaly honest... I respect him no matter what happens. Wiley's making bloody electro to get some money... Dizzee was long gone before the name grime came about. As a mainstream album I enjoyed his album, fuck it... But his management made a HUGE mistake with the way they handled a lot of things with promotion which I won't even go into.

Dizzee Rascal's promotion has NEVER......EVER........been good!!! Cage and Dizzee always choose the wrong singles and image in the videos...

[hyperfrank]

Durrty has nothing to do with Dizzee Rascal...
Like carter said... Dizz makes Dizzee Rascal music...
Durrty makes Goodz music...

They all make good music...

It's all pushing the UK scene forward

[hyperfrank]

Dizzee Rascal's promotion has NEVER......EVER........been good!!! Cage and Dizzee always choose the wrong singles and image in the videos...

They also AIRED the whole 'urban' media who helped him from the start.

[4737]

s'pose. It might just be that I dont like his music anymore then.

t.

[ALM]

It's all pushing the UK scene forward

No it's not, untill Dizzee acknowledges his roots they may as well be void.

[Carter]

Carter,

Dizzee has dropped bare albums...Goodz is yet to drop his debut?

Don't you think you should reserve you judgement until he put's out his first album?

It saves you possibly looking like a donut if he proves your assumptions wrong.

I assume he is making Hip Hop after years of making it and calling Axiom a Hip Hop cd.........I don't think I'll look stupid!

[S.Man]

I think dizzee is goin down the eminem route.

Technically he is lyrically gettin better. Yet he is making worse songs!

[hyperfrank]

No it's not, untill Dizzee acknowledges his roots they may as well be void.

He does tho....
He always talks about coming up on pirate radio, but he came up when the word 'grime' wasn't labelled by the artists and only by the media. People still called it garage, Which is what he acknowledges as his roots. He's far from the scene now and even so he's started up Dirtee Stank and signed NG's. Brings them along to his concerts all around the world. If he didn't acknowledge his roots he would of signed bloody kate nash or something.

[Retrofreak]

I assume he is making Hip Hop after years of making it and calling Axiom a Hip Hop cd.........I don't think I'll look stupid!

Ok

So are saying Goodz will not do any Grime for his album?

[Carter]

s'pose. It might just be that I dont like his music anymore then.

t.

Fair enough, you can't argue with that but to diss what he has done for the scene is the reason why he speaks like this in the first place

[ALM]

He does tho....
He always talks about coming up on pirate radio, but he came up when the word 'grime' wasn't labelled by the artists and only by the media. People still called it garage, Which is what he acknowledges as his roots. He's far from the scene now and even so he's started up Dirtee Stank and signed NG's. Brings them along to his concerts all around the world. If he didn't acknowledge his roots he would of signed bloody kate nash or something.

hmmmm........

have you read the interview???

[ALM]

I’m Hip-Hop at its fullest

..

[Carter]

Ok

So are saying Goodz will not do any Grime for his album?

No but I wouldn't look stupid for assuming that considering his track record and attitude towards grime from the early days

[Retrofreak]

..

This whole thing could be viewed a different way also.

Dizzee said that he makes "Ravey Hip Hop" which in essence is true.
He just neglected to say "Grime"

Maybe his speaking to Americans in way that there'll understand??

[hyperfrank]

..

his music now .. is hiphop... so he is correct.

Hiphop allows you to do so much. Grime is such a limited sound. People don't even bloody know what grime is.

[Carter]

his music now .. is hiphop... so he is correct.

Hiphop allows you to do so much. Grime is such a limited sound. People don't even bloody know what grime is.

They do but the dreams of being Jay Z & Pharrell interfere with that

[Retrofreak]

No but I wouldn't look stupid for assuming that considering his track record and attitude towards grime from the early days

I understand you thought process,

But he clearly states that he spits on everything and reps Grime and Hip Hop.

If he turns around and reps for Grime hard you might look stupid if your trying to say F... Durrty Goodz.

[Carter]

I understand you thought process,

But he clearly states that he spits on everything and reps Grime and Hip Hop.

If he turns around and reps for Grime hard you might look stupid if your trying to say F... Durrty Goodz.

Not saying Fuck Durrty Goodz, but just how can this guy be the best song writer in grime and not be a sell out when he has done the same things as Dizzee Rascal? at a larger scale, by leaving his brothers grime crew, making hip hop and calling the closest thing to grime he has made........HIP HOP!!!!

While Dizzee Rascal has tried to do both by making songs every pop singer on Live Aid, Lily Allen, UGK and Artic Monkeys, and then reaching back for Jammer, Newham Generals, Wonder, Youngsta & Mizz Beatz. and then performing at sidewinder and rinse! He is anything but a sell out...

[Master Jagan]

You can all call him fake and stuff, but in the end it's his decision what kind of music he wants to make. And when a load of wankers from the Grime scene call him a sell out, then it's not surprising that he doesn't bother to mention his roots.

[Quality Control]

I swear people still hold BIDC dear merely because it was a milestone in grime. Not because it's actually unbetterable or because it's infact anything special beyond being a decent album, but because it represented that time in grime.

People need to lay off the "holy grail" chat and realise that it's not the be-all and end-all. There's only a few tracks I can still listen to without it sounding dated, imo.

t.

don't agree with that at all.

it's the only grime made to date that's so good it transcends genre boundaries and can be appreciated by anyone, even people who don't even like grime

[Retrofreak]

Not saying Fuck Durrty Goodz, but just how can this guy be the best song writer in grime and not be a sell out when he has done the same things as Dizzee Rascal? at a larger scale, by leaving his brothers grime crew, making hip hop and calling the closest thing to grime he has made........HIP HOP!!!!

While Dizzee Rascal has tried to do both by making songs every pop singer on Live Aid, Lily Allen, UGK and Artic Monkeys, and then reaching back for Jammer, Newham Generals, Wonder, Youngsta & Mizz Beatz. and then performing at sidewinder and rinse! He is anything but a sell out...

I hear you,

I've personally never called Dizzee a sellout, because he stay's true to who he is.

Selling out to me is compromising your integrity for financial gain neither have done this imo.

I think some people are knee jerking ,because of the way Dizz has gone about it?

His just cutting to the chase and simplifying things imo

The truth is Hip Hop is so wide that from the time your rapping a certain way it can and almost will fall under the Hip Hop umbrella anyway.

The day Dizzee denounces his evolvement with Grime I will not back him ,but until such a time he gets ratings from me...

Even if I don't like his new tracks as much lol

[Retrofreak]

You can all call him fake and stuff, but in the end it's his decision what kind of music he wants to make. And when a load of wankers from the Grime scene call him a sell out, then it's not surprising that he doesn't bother to mention his roots.

^^^^Real

[adidasgrandad]

these last two pages >>>>>>>>>

dizzee aint sold out hes got dirtee stank so he will always be connected to the scene in one way or another. goodz just has a different view of the scene. he see's it as hip hop and grime as a sub genre of this which is perhaps true. goodz just tries to be too smart with his little ideologies.

[S.Man]

This whole thing could be viewed a different way also.

Dizzee said that he makes "Ravey Hip Hop" which in essence is true.
He just neglected to say "Grime"

Maybe his speaking to Americans in way that there'll understand??

true. if he said grime im sure most people would of switched off.

considering he was talking to allhiphop.com im sure he has to appreciate them as they are one of the biggest hiphop internet sites so has to speak their language.

[ALM]

maybe i was a little harsh, interesting debate though

[BananaMan]

Whats you lots view on heartache avenue?

[Hij]

true. if he said grime im sure most people would of switched off..
Its a great theory.

But the advert on the video for Flex voids it.

[Hij]

Whats you lots view on heartache avenue?

Worst song ever.

[Danny Trejo]

boss wedding song

[Major]

dizzee is the definition of sellout man cudnt even acknowledge garage let alone the grime scene !

they wouldnt of switched off either if he was any guy they wudve but its dizzee hes made music that they like if anythin they would be more interested if he said he came from garage/grime.

dizzee wants the world which is fair enough do your thing cant hate on him but just parring were you came from like dat.wasteman.

[Retrofreak]

Worst song ever.

.

[Mister Lacey]

This thread is jokes...
BIDC is sick imo I won't even lie but in actuality not much has been put out to challenge it... Fuck mixtapes and shit, how many official GRIME albums have been released to the masses in shops?
Again Ghetto Gospel / FOS / Axiom aint real albums so before you run of a list think of the question. Once again I aint hating on Dizzee, I think he was pushed into his attitude because as soon as someone does something different bare heads wanna hate because they feel neglected. Like I said before all 3 of his albums are heavily Grime influenced disagree if you're slow... As for Goodz a lot of you mans are nuts you all rated Goodz a few months ago before you realised everyone was liking him so you don't wanna fit in you want to REBEL (not so much Carter) BUT I even point this question to Carter... Regardless what people have to say about Goodz doing Grime, Hip Hop, whatever point me in the direction of an MC that is obviously better than him within the scene, chances are you can't. I don't mean throw me personal favs I mean an all round MC someone who matches flow, wit, lyrical content. I don't rate Goodz to be part of a bandwagon I rate him because at the end of the day he is a sick MC. And regardless if people like it or not Goodz is flying a flag for Grime same way Dizzee still is too. Dizzee might not mention it in interviews, he might make you guys upset because he doesn't talk to you anymore... But really you mans know the drill, he is taking his music to a new audience an audience that will find themselves looking into Grime because they like Dizzee's sound and want to know where it originates from...
And as for Goodz wait until his shit drops then speak innit.
All this bandwagon talk is long now.
Goodz is sick.
Dizzee is sick.
Pulse and Rinse are better than 99 percent of "upcoming MCs". And just better than a lot of MCs period.

[Carter]

I never said Goodz was shit, his hip hop is shit imo

[MedellinManDem]

Dizzee is more talented artistically than anyone in the grime scene.

[General Savimbi]

After the first two albums Dizzee has given us he's allowed to do whatever he wants.

[Mister Lacey]

I never said Goodz was shit, his hip hop is shit imo

Which is fair enough man cos that's a matter of taste.
I just feel theres a lot of unnessacary hating towards both Dizzee and Goodz.

[Retrofreak]

I never said Goodz was shit, his hip hop is shit imo

He done "back to skool" when he was in Boyz in the Hood and that was sick.

"Gimme that" is better than most spitters now and that's Hip hop.

Goodz has always done HipHop from the start aswell as merking Grime sets,

He's being true to himself imo.

[Mister Lacey]

See if someone tells me "I don't like Goodz on Hip Hop" fair enough. I disagree but fair enough that's their taste and opinion. But anyone telling me Goodz is rubbish, Goodz is overrated is chatting fraff.

[ALM]

See if someone tells me "I don't like Goodz on Hip Hop" fair enough. I disagree but fair enough that's their taste and opinion. But anyone telling me Goodz is rubbish, Goodz is overrated is chatting fraff.

whos saying that though?

[nissanbluebird]

dizzee did well

[pcollins]

Dizzee is more talented artistically than anyone in the grime scene.

true, but he is also more talented artistically at doing grime than he is at doin hip hop.

[MedellinManDem]

true, but he is also more talented artistically at doing grime than he is at doin hip hop.

Touche.

[RAISED BY WOLVES]

As dizz mentions here, he just got signed to def jux. I'm interested to see what el-p's production can do for him. I actually think it'll be a great fit.

Aside from that, I don't understand the general hatred. One thing it has made me realize is that grime is so, so small. By US hiphop standards, your man Dizzee has far from sold out. If anything, he's used his visibility and larger profile as an avenue to make and promote a personal vision of music that is both interesting to him as an artist, and unlike anything else out there.

Though I find I like him less and less, my respect for him hasn't wavered, and nothing will change what it felt like to put on BIDC for the first time in my apartment in Quuens, NY. I didn't even know what to say. I have him to thank for my continued interest in grime.

It should also be noted that the first time dizz came over here, he played a short set at some 48 hour dance party in the hipstered-out neighborhood of williamsburg brooklyn, and since then, his stateside fanbase has been largely confined to that same demographic. I think his collabo's with the likes of bunB, and interviews like the one posted here on more mainstream hiphop sites, are an attempt to expand on that, and I appreciate that shit, cause that is a really limited and fickle scene.

Another brief note. Your average American hiphop listener has no ideawhat grime is. Keep that in mind

people need to ease off and quit taking a (now adult) artists decisions so personally. That shit will get you nowhere in the long run.

[Jay05]

I only sold about 7500 records there. But the concert had about 25,000 people in a tent. That is like 16 times what I have sold.

A

Dizzee's Maths is on point then

[Saadi Yacef]

dizzee is boring.

just a boring motherfucker, has got no character whatsoever, even bak in the day he spat about shottin shootin and stabbing like everyone else , but just showed a bit of creativity.

[DJ Initial]

allow dizzee... hes doing his thing making paper... you would do the same.

[Stephan El Shaarawy]

been sayin dizzee has gone for a long time. i have alot of respect for the guy who made boy in the corner, but he just ent that guy any more

[Equilibrium]

the thing is maths and english still had quite a bit of grime on it and im sure his next album probably will but hes just not gonna go shoutin grimes name

[Runner]

I guess the pressed dubbed this music "grime", after his debut album.

So i'm not sure what grime really means to him.

I guess its hard enough to push no.1 without the strain of trying to bring other people threw.

Tho he signed Newhams and put his money where his mouth is on that one.

[DWP]

he left this scene because there's no fucking money in this scene for gods sake, he did what anyone here would do.

never heard the saying, 'cash is king?'

dence people

[Runner]

he left this scene because there's no fucking money in this scene for gods sake, he did what anyone here would do.

never heard the saying, 'cash is king?'

dence people

Yeah you just have to take the opputunities that come your way.

Showtime basically explains the whole situation.

[quality]

Can't hate Dizzee he's doing his thing, broaden his horizons, got off the estate. His commercial and experimental stuff doesn't seem as forced as Kano's did on London Town.

[General Savimbi]

There's loads of ill informed talk in this thread.

[Runner]

There was no where in that interview for him to acknowledge grime to be fair.

[DWP]

There was no where in that interview for him to acknowledge grime to be fair.


exactly, this guy is a deluded fag-wash

[ALM]

There was no where in that interview for him to acknowledge grime to be fair.

'im straight up hip hop.

[DWP]

'im straight up hip hop.


man. you really are dense aren't you.. do you have a clue about anything mate?.. do you shit in the sink and wash your face in the toilet?.

he's trying to break the hiphop scene. he's getting interviewed... many people will read it... he has to give out the right messages..

[Mister Lacey]

DWP and Angry Little Man.
I've moved your beef to The War Room.

[ALM]

exactly, this guy is a deluded fag-wash

i'm not going to argue with you on the internet, i grew out of that shit.

Jam your hype.

[Danny Trejo]

8 pages?

[screwface]

he left this scene because there's no fucking money in this scene for gods sake, he did what anyone here would do.

never heard the saying, 'cash is king?'

dence people

dats Some straight informa chat der

[Skiptron08]

he's going to come crawling back like kano, just watch. I'll laugh at the day that happpens. About hip hop to the fullest. Everyone labels him a grime artist, he's just too dumb to realise it.

Old skool dizzee rascal (when he was in roll deep) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>