Is grime really the most successful form of uk black music??

[R.dot.Tubbs]

So for time i've always said that grime has been the most successful form of black uk music. But lately, wether you like it or not, its being outshined!

BASSLINE(T2 etc.) is merking the charts

UK HIP HOP(Estelle) is merking the charts

DUBSTEP(Whole heap of names) is merking the raves/record shops/vinyl charts

GRIME has a show on kiss, throws the odd rave every so often, and has no chart success what so ever (well maybe Wiley might get a chart position with tune that is NOT grime)

Dont get it twisted, for me personally, grime is THE best out of all four genres. but these days it seems like it cant really compete with them for success.

I know this is a negative thread but its the truth.

Thoughts?

[Retrofreak]

Grime has got a long way to go in terms of artist development, song-writing/production and business.

Bassline - is chic friendly
Estelle - is NO 1 (even though she cant sing)

Grime is the realist representation of what's really happening on a street level imo.

With a few good artist moving this thing forward. it WILL get there eventually,

It just needs time, support and for us to let Grime become nation-wide instead of an insular scene stuck within the M25.

[DaBlackAlbino]

Yes, to be honest I think LONDON MC's should start working with talent north and south of the greater london border, because to be honest THERE IS TALENT OUTSIDE THE LONDON ACCENT I mean if you can listen to Riko and Jammer then you can listen to a northen accent.. and yeah grime isnt female friendly and half the scene needs to grow up..... it's a long journey but when man have their CD bootlegged and raves locked off for the next like what, 10 years? the brain cells might start making backflips n innovations.... grime is too hostile and looks more like an aggressive social movement than a genre of a music any business man or music industry could take seriously, now that's real talk right there.

[frankD]

Grime was a launch pad for artists career.

Almost feels like it was an era more than a genre.

Grime has lost its hype, Acts now have to work a 100 times harder to get exposure.

[frankD]

When people say grime will get there, do they mean every act will make it all at the same time?

All I can ever see is a few people getting a chance, maybe the odd person having mainstream success, maybe at the cost of changing their sound.

[RISKY!]

Estelle - is NO 1 (even though she cant sing)


i think shes okay .... but she wouldn't have got number 1 with out kanye west

[Retrofreak]

i think shes okay .... but she wouldn't have got number 1 with out kanye west

^^^^agreed 100%

But the end justifies the means.

She's No 1 and no one can tell her shit!!

The amount of endorsements rolling in for that girl must be ridiculous and she still "Cant sing" wow!

[frankD]

Estelle has been on her grind tho, a few years ago she was channel U, now shes No.1 so it can be done.

Bassline tunes are getting signed up, and labels keep an eye out on the dubstep scene aswell.

Grime has been left behind, because they are focussing their efforts in the wrong direction.

If grime guys really think they can make its without a label then they are stupid. Sway didnt have a label, but he had serious management.

[MedellinManDem]

I don't care who's in the charts. We really ought to stop looking at them as a marker of the scene's success. The charts are where 14-17 year old girls have their most important societal input. The fact that we have American producers and rappers imitating what we do is JUST one marker of its success. Because grime is generally aggressive music made by young black men, it's never going to be mainstream in the form that we know it. Certain guys just need to accept that. However, like the dance scene has done, like the DnB scene has done, the grime scene is slowly creating an underground monster.

[hyperfrank]

You say estelle but that tune aint ukhiphop... fair enough if it is number 1, hats off to her I liked her back then and i like her now. But if wiley gets a top20 for an electro track then he gets the same respect off of me as she did. He's just doing friendly music but when his album comes out we all know it will be grime. You have to do things to get in the door, like be polite but once you're in you can cuss,screw and hit anybody you like because you have the key. He's just trying a new avenue.

[Retrofreak]

You say estelle but that tune aint ukhiphop... fair enough if it is number 1, hats off to her I liked her back then and i like her now. But if wiley gets a top20 for an electro track then he gets the same respect off of me as she did. He's just doing friendly music but when his album comes out we all know it will be grime. You have to do things to get in the door, like be polite but once you're in you can cuss,screw and hit anybody you like because you have the key. He's just trying a new avenue.

^^^^Real Talk

[Danny Trejo]

it's all garage anyway

[frankD]

You say estelle but that tune aint ukhiphop... fair enough if it is number 1, hats off to her I liked her back then and i like her now. But if wiley gets a top20 for an electro track then he gets the same respect off of me as she did. He's just doing friendly music but when his album comes out we all know it will be grime. You have to do things to get in the door, like be polite but once you're in you can cuss,screw and hit anybody you like because you have the key. He's just trying a new avenue.

But it don't work like that.

Wiley is no stranger to the mainstream. Hes the one hit wonder guy that never follows threw.

If people like his electro track, this does not mean they will like his grime stuff.

[R.dot.Tubbs]

You say estelle but that tune aint ukhiphop... fair enough if it is number 1, hats off to her I liked her back then and i like her now. But if wiley gets a top20 for an electro track then he gets the same respect off of me as she did. He's just doing friendly music but when his album comes out we all know it will be grime. You have to do things to get in the door, like be polite but once you're in you can cuss,screw and hit anybody you like because you have the key. He's just trying a new avenue.

Then what is it then? chinese hip hop?

[The Elijah]

So for time i've always said that grime has been the most successful form of black uk music. But lately, wether you like it or not, its being outshined!

BASSLINE(T2 etc.) is merking the charts

UK HIP HOP(Estelle) is merking the charts

DUBSTEP(Whole heap of names) is merking the raves/record shops/vinyl charts

GRIME has a show on kiss, throws the odd rave every so often, and has no chart success what so ever (well maybe Wiley might get a chart position with tune that is NOT grime)

Dont get it twisted, for me personally, grime is THE best out of all four genres. but these days it seems like it cant really compete with them for success.

I know this is a negative thread but its the truth.

Thoughts?

UK Hip Hop is not merking the charts, never has, never will. Estelles tune with Kanye is promoted by an american label, over here and in America. If this came out on her previous label it wouldnt even be top 40. She has had tunes out better then this before.

Bassline has had two commericial smashes; heartbroken and whats it gonna be. Thats it. They are building something healthy as they are doing mix cds, raves, vinyl, dvds, tapepacks and they have got people warming to the name in the mainstream i.e ministry of sounds compilation.

Dubstep: Is the most healthy out of these. Strong european following. Strong club presence. Consistent vinyl releases and international following. Most importantly all indepedant, and like grime will never be commercially viable.

Grime wise the most concerning thing is the lack of releases. We have people like Ghetto, Skepta, JME, Tinchy who are putting out strong independant releases. On the bright side we have good producers like Maniac, Wiley, Skepta, Scratcha, Footsie that are on this ting.

Funny that you didnt mention uk funky house. Which hasnt had a commercial smash yet, but is big in the clubs all over the country. After Napa this year we will see if funky makes it in to 2009. I think people will just warm to more other commercial house as they are bored of rnb and hip hop.

[The Elijah]

Then what is it then? chinese hip hop?

american hip hop by a uk artist.

uk hip hop = skinnyman, klashnekoff etc

estelle on an american label, with american producer, featuring an american artist= american brand.

[RISKY!]

stil hypers right -- if people liked the new wiley song they will go looking for him [even if its limewie] start likeing him - then get into grime .... i 1st started o like gime coz of dizzee

[frankD]

UK Hip Hop is not merking the charts, never has, never will. Estelles tune with Kanye is promoted by an american label, over here and in America. If this came out on her previous label it wouldnt even be top 40. She has had tunes out better then this before.

Bassline has had two commericial smashes; heartbroken and whats it gonna be. Thats it. They are building something healthy as they are doing mix cds, raves, vinyl, dvds, tapepacks and they have got people warming to the name in the mainstream i.e ministry of sounds compilation.

Dubstep: Is the most healthy out of these. Strong european following. Strong club presence. Consistent vinyl releases and international following. Most importantly all indepedant, and like grime will never be commercially viable.

Grime wise the most concerning thing is the lack of releases. We have people like Ghetto, Skepta, JME, Tinchy who are putting out strong independant releases. On the bright side we have good producers like Maniac, Wiley, Skepta, Scratcha, Footsie that are on this ting.

Funny that you didnt mention uk funky house. Which hasnt had a commercial smash yet, but is big in the clubs all over the country. After Napa this year we will see if funky makes it in to 2009. I think people will just warm to more other commercial house as they are bored of rnb and hip hop.

Its funny how it all comes back to house.

Good thread.

Looks like dance scenes can work, but our rap scene (grime and ukhh) can't get off the ground because they lack the scene backing.

Ive been listening to Funky, don't really sound any different to any other house ive heard over the last few years.

[Retrofreak]

UK Hip Hop is not merking the charts, never has, never will. Estelles tune with Kanye is promoted by an american label, over here and in America. If this came out on her previous label it wouldnt even be top 40. She has had tunes out better then this before.

Bassline has had two commericial smashes; heartbroken and whats it gonna be. Thats it. They are building something healthy as they are doing mix cds, raves, vinyl, dvds, tapepacks and they have got people warming to the name in the mainstream i.e ministry of sounds compilation.

Dubstep: Is the most healthy out of these. Strong european following. Strong club presence. Consistent vinyl releases and international following. Most importantly all indepedant, and like grime will never be commercially viable.

Grime wise the most concerning thing is the lack of releases. We have people like Ghetto, Skepta, JME, Tinchy who are putting out strong independant releases. On the bright side we have good producers like Maniac, Wiley, Skepta, Scratcha, Footsie that are on this ting.

Funny that you didnt mention uk funky house. Which hasnt had a commercial smash yet, but is big in the clubs all over the country. After Napa this year we will see if funky makes it in to 2009. I think people will just warm to more other commercial house as they are bored of rnb and hip hop.

1. UK Hip Hop has merked the charts before be it a long time a go.

2. if a couple Dubstep tunes had vocals on them they could easily cross over to the mainstream..
The fact that its dark and instrumental is what prevents it from crossing...anyway I feel that we'll see more Dubstep used in commercials and soundtracks etc.

3. The top producers of the scene are just good beat makers imo.
They have yet to master the art of vocal production, so the majority of artist just spit radio bars instead of constructing well writing songs on there music.

[R.dot.Tubbs]

The point is, Estelle as a uk hip hop artist is making more noise than anyone in grime

she's achieved something that grime hasnt, a No1 single.

@risky, wiley once said that the reason he released "The Avenue" with Roll Deep was to gain more fans. It didnt happen then, so what makes you think it will happen now?

[frankD]

People like Wiley catchphrazes in this song.

They wont want to listen to 3 mins of his talking random bollocks tho, how hes the tai chi master/ run much faster.

People like a good hook and that hook to be repeated.

[Miyagi Dan]

1. UK Hip Hop has merked the charts before be it a long time a go.

2. if a couple Dubstep tunes had vocals on them they could easily cross over to the mainstream..
The fact that its dark and instrumental is what prevents it from crossing...anyway I feel that we'll see more Dubstep used in commercials and soundtracks etc.

3. The top producers of the scene are just good beat makers imo.
They have yet to master the art of vocal production, so the majority of artist just spit radio bars instead of constructing well writing songs on there music.

that is true but at the same time i prefer to hear people jus sprayin over a beat than actual grime "songs", i think that is an essential part of grime is the rawness

it seems like in order for grime to "blow" or "go mainstream", we'd have to change the music so much that it wont actually be grime no more, songs like wearing my rolex,avenue and all the kano/lethal indie collabs proves this

[RISKY!]

wiley once said that the reason he released "The Avenue" with Roll Deep was to gain more fans. It didnt happen then, so what makes you think it will happen now?

how do you know .. just because you don't know anyone doesn't mean it hasn't happened...

i think it could happen if he released a good grime song.... like dizzee when he 1st started

[The Elijah]

The point is, Estelle as a uk hip hop artist is making more noise than anyone in grime

she's achieved something that grime hasnt, a No1 single.

@risky, wiley once said that the reason he released "The Avenue" with Roll Deep was to gain more fans. It didnt happen then, so what makes you think it will happen now?

taio cruz is making a lot of "noise" aswell. but in a club who do u think would murk more JME or Taio Cruz.

This is why I keep saying stick to the rave music. Anything else aint really commercially viable.

[Jay05]

I would have no problem with Grime MC's doing a track with hip hop mc's english or american. But it has to be over a grime beat really

[Retrofreak]

that is true but at the same time i prefer to hear people jus sprayin over a beat than actual grime "songs", i think that is an essential part of grime is the rawness

it seems like in order for grime to "blow" or "go mainstream", we'd have to change the music so much that it wont actually be grime no more, songs like wearing my rolex,avenue and all the kano/lethal indie collabs proves this

NOT really.

Crazy Titch..."Sing a long=Song
Dizzee........."I luv u =Song
Wiley......... "No quarms, Eski boy"=Song
Griminal......"Its a lot"

[The Elijah]

NOT really.

Crazy Titch..."Sing a long=Song
Dizzee........."I luv u =Song
Wiley......... "No quarms, Eski boy"=Song
Griminal......"Its a lot"

no qualms wasnt a song. it was a sick freestyle sending for nasty jack. I wear my own garms could of been a big tune with the right verses.

[Miyagi Dan]

NOT really.

Crazy Titch..."Sing a long=Song
Dizzee........."I luv u =Song
Wiley......... "No quarms, Eski boy"=Song
Griminal......"Its a lot"

yh all good songs, but apart from i love you, none of them have had much success outside of the grime scene or on mainstream radio

edit: unless you consider 1xtra mainstream they play the odd wiley tune

[Retrofreak]

no qualms wasnt a song. it was a sick freestyle sending for nasty jack. I wear my own garms could of been a big tune with the right verses.

sorry I ment "Wear my own garms"

[Retrofreak]

yh all good songs, but apart from i love you, none of them have had much success outside of the grime scene or on mainstream radio

edit: unless you consider 1xtra mainstream they play the odd wiley tune

Yeah because they weren't pushed as commercial singles so remained underground.
1xtra is now the door to Radio One for street music.

[Miyagi Dan]

Yeah because they weren't pushed as commercial singles so remained underground.
1xtra is now the door to Radio One for street music.

ur right but thats the point, if u take its alot for example a decent upbeat structured song, theres no reason for it not to gain more success/exposure apart from the fact that its an out and out grime track

i think its just a case of certain mainstream djs/radio programmers etc are scared to push songs that sound too grimey

[Retrofreak]

ur right but thats the point, if u take its alot for example a decent upbeat structured song, theres no reason for it not to gain more success/exposure apart from the fact that its an out and out grime track

i think its just a case of certain mainstream djs/radio programmers etc are scared to push songs that sound too grimey

I don't think 1xtra are afraid of everything Grime at all.

I think they'll back the artist who are consistent with good songs,careful with content and have a long term plan of release.

This comes back to good songwriting and management....it's NOT just down to DJ's.

[Llelo]

Grime has never been the most successful UK Black Music.

Lemar, Jamelia, and all the other R'n'B singers have always been more successful.

Dubstep is NEVER black music anyway.

Bassline I think is just a trend at the moment, but doesn't have any long term chart/musical potential at all. I tihnk grime has some sort of long term future, due to the scene's setup (raves, CDs etc.) whereas bassline I can't see it lasting as a major scene for even the next 2 years before it goes completely underground again.

[Skola]

yes

dizzie, kano

most successful mainstream black artists in the uk

came from the grime scene

[Quite a character]

lol @ grime ever being the most succesful

lol @ overlooking drum n bass

[Quite a character]

Grime has never been the most successful UK Black Music.

Lemar, Jamelia, and all the other R'n'B singers have always been more successful.

Dubstep is NEVER black music anyway.

Bassline I think is just a trend at the moment, but doesn't have any long term chart/musical potential at all. I tihnk grime has some sort of long term future, due to the scene's setup (raves, CDs etc.) whereas bassline I can't see it lasting as a major scene for even the next 2 years before it goes completely underground again.

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL and bassline is

the clues in the name DUBstep clearly derives from reggae which is as black as it gets

[Retrofreak]

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL and bassline is

the clues in the name DUBstep clearly derives from reggae which is as black as it gets

^^^Real talk

[hyperfrank]

The point is, Estelle as a uk hip hop artist is making more noise than anyone in grime

she's achieved something that grime hasnt, a No1 single.

@risky, wiley once said that the reason he released "The Avenue" with Roll Deep was to gain more fans. It didnt happen then, so what makes you think it will happen now?

Estelle is Estelle and she is a uk hiphop artist. However I wouldn't compare her to the whole grime scene. we should be patting her on the back and saying you've done well as a UK artist. Although I wouldn't call that the typical uk hiphop music and shes not even rapping on it thats not the point anyway. She's done that song and worked with Kanye (If the opportunity came up EVERYONE would) to get further in the door. It's a very good look for her and UK music but it took the maintream to see her with an american, pushed by an american label etc for her own country to buy into it. That's the big par. All these little scenes put together make UK urban music. At the end of the day they all look at us alllllll the same in the end. It's kind of like being british but some of us are from Northern Ireland, Wales, Scotland and england. The outside world all see us as the same. We should try our best at making the most of our little scene and for all of us to get involved and represent and support our talent. There's been some really good music coming out... but we just need to stop comparing our negatives to other scenes and get building ours. Why bother moaning about the man next doors posh house if all you have is a bloody dustbin... get a fucking grip and build your own fucking house..

[Kaychi]

i think because of the negative media surrounding grime is the main reason. if we done a couple of community based things. start getting more recognition. and also, i can see the old school davinche tracks with the singers going mainstream. basically sometimes we do sound agressive and its blatantly not needed.

[Grimes]

mugs

[Kaychi]

yes

dizzie, kano

most successful mainstream black artists in the uk

came from the grime scene

not kano. lemar, craig david, so solid...jus naming other artists.

actually, kano is succesful/was successful, but not on the award winning basis like diz.

[Grimes]

mugs pt 2

[Wiz]

Soul outsells all of them, check out Corrine Bailey Rae.

[Llelo]

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL and bassline is

the clues in the name DUBstep clearly derives from reggae which is as black as it gets

Kode 9, Skream, Hatcha, N-Type, Magnetic Man, Rusko, Caspa are ... wait for it...yeh thats right...WHITE, and so are 90% of people at dubstep raves and other lesser-known dubstep Djs. In fact, Benga and Coki are the only 2 black guys i can think of off the top of my head. Dubstep is a white scene.

I don't give a fuck if it derives from black music, by that test ALL MUSIC except classical is black music, even Artic Monkeys and shit like that. Just cos Skream used a reggae sample in a few of his beats doesn't make it black music. Same way Bashy sampling Aladdin at the start of one his Chupa Chups mixtape tracks doesn't make Bashy an animated film score-writer.

So LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL at your ignorance.

[Major]

let me just put this out there

bassline is not merkin the charts heartbroken and about 1 other tune thats it. now your only gonna get 100's of bassline rebores trying to do what t2 did. its happening alredy ive seen at least 5 shit bassline videos.

which is the same thing what happened after pow loads of shit artists thinkin they could do the same thing hence the reason channel u being filled with so much bullshit.

channel u gives grime a bad name.

also i dont think grime artists are promoting there songs effectively as they could be.the lack of mix cds also grime not being in the clubs isnt helping.

[Llelo]

let me just put this out there

bassline is not merkin the charts heartbroken and about 1 other tune thats it. now your only gonna get 100's of bassline rebores trying to do what t2 did. its happening alredy ive seen at least 5 shit bassline videos.

which is the same thing what happened after pow loads of shit artists thinkin they could do the same thing hence the reason channel u being filled with so much bullshit.

channel u gives grime a bad name.

true stories

[R.dot.Tubbs]

this forums fucked

[Blimey]

Garage is the most successfull form of black music in my eyes, it was huge in its prime and to this day still gets played all the time. Bassline is big because people love garage, and theyve come with a slightly different angle but the foundations were there. Id class Wearing my Rolex as having the same Garage vibe and Grimes success as a whole is off the back of Garage, its all under the Garage umbrealla in my eyes and thats why Wileys going top 10.

[General Savimbi]

So bloody what!?!?!?!

[Major]

Garage is the most successfull form of black music in my eyes, it was huge in its prime and to this day still gets played all the time. Bassline is big because people love garage, and theyve come with a slightly different angle but the foundations were there. Id class Wearing my Rolex as having the same Garage vibe and Grimes success as a whole is off the back of Garage, its all under the Garage umbrealla in my eyes and thats why Wileys going top 10.

i wouldnt class bassline as garage..

[Observer]

What exactly does a genre need to have in order to be classified as "black music"? A predominantly black fanbase? Roots in reggae? More black artists than white artists?

It's hard to argue over which form of UK black music that is the most successful if people do not agree on what UK black music actually is to begin with.

[Major]

What exactly does a genre need to have in order to be classified as "black music"? A predominantly black fanbase? Roots in reggae? More black artists than white artists?

It's hard to argue over which form of UK black music that is the most successful if people do not agree on what UK black music actually is to begin with.

urban? lol

[adidasgrandad]

lol at uk hip hop merking because estelle and her collabs got to number one. artists dont sell shit in that scene unless they get a exclusive interview in the guardian or get nominated for a mercury i.e. roots manuva

basslines girl friendly its just becoming another form of pop music (look at h2O)

grime is always growing. it might even already have a bigger fanbase than the the other underground scenes when you consider the amount of people that listen to grime all over the country. only the really 'in the know' trendy ones know bout dubstep

[Llelo]

grime is always growing. it might even already have a bigger fanbase than the the other underground scenes when you consider the amount of people that listen to grime all over the country. only the really 'in the know' trendy ones know bout dubstep

no offence, but you're chatting shit

[adidasgrandad]

no offence, but you're chatting shit

i dont expect you (MR 'only london knows bout grime') to agree with what i said. what is wrong with what i said?

[Llelo]

what is wrong with what i said?


only the really 'in the know' trendy ones know bout dubstep

you implied that more people know about/listen to grime than dubstep

which is complete rubbish

[adidasgrandad]

you implied that more people know about/listen to grime than dubstep

which is complete rubbish

ok it prob was a bit of a sweeping statement to make but when you consider that quite alot of the youth in britain listen to grime when its mainly more mature clubbers that listen to dubstep it might be true.

[hyperfrank]

The main issue with grime aswell is that it seems to have a age tag on it you see a lot of ppl hitting 25 (oldest) and then letting it go. Why is that?
A lot of the time ppl think it just sounds like angry teenage music.

[General Savimbi]

The main issue with grime aswell is that it seems to have a age tag on it you see a lot of ppl hitting 25 (oldest) and then letting it go. Why is that?
A lot of the town it just sounds like angry teenage music.

It's because they're not making nothing from it innit.

This didn't happen in the Garage days where all the big dogs were getting flown out to Napa and the likes.

The lack of money making in Grime means that age plays a factor, especially when all these young guns think they're Gods gift etc etc.

It's not a big problem imo.

[xpress]

grime has never and probly will never be the most successful

but i dnt realy care bcos the bigger it becomes the more commercialised and soulless it will become

same as hip hop in america

(mainstream hip hop neway)

[Quality Control]

U.K. RnB is by far innit? or are you not counting that

Rock was originally invented by the black man soooooooooooooo

[Grime Star]

We need a def jam of grime (some1 business minded)

[Retrofreak]

Craig David sold over 13 million records>>>>>>>>>>>>_______

[Retrofreak]

We need a def jam of grime (some1 business minded)

^^^That and to be more consistent with writing better songs NOT just radio bars.

[Grime Star]

a lot of ppl listen 2 grime but out of that, who actually puts money in grime

[Llelo]

alot of the youth in britain listen to grime when its mainly more mature clubbers that listen to dubstep it might be true.

if you had ever been near a dubtep rave you would know that is complete bullshit

seriously, stop tryna argue the point, cos to be honest everything you've said so far has been untrue

[U.M.P]

basically grime artists dj's producers etc need to put on shows up and down the country and get involved with other grime artists out of the london area and perhaps dat way they wud spread the music and get it hammered in the clubs dat way more people wud listen to it and perhaps it will get in the charts sum how

[adidasgrandad]

basically grime artists dj's producers etc need to put on shows up and down the country and get involved with other grime artists out of the london area and perhaps dat way they wud spread the music and get it hammered in the clubs dat way more people wud listen to it and perhaps it will get in the charts sum how

joint sets would be big. OG's with flex, vader, wariko etc would be huge. stormar or sam make it happen lol

[Major]

grime shudnt have an age limit on it at all its surpassed that now good songs are being written btu we need more.

['nuum general]

I'd say its one of the least successful forms

[Wiz]

I wanna know why people say dubstep is more popular than grime.

[Retrofreak]

Dubstep hasn't got a language barrier it's instrumental.
People seem more professional on a whole.....so this has helped it to get more global imo.

[Grimes]

grime needs to have some chart hits

['nuum general]

I wanna know why people say dubstep is more popular than grime.

-global fanbase

- regular raves

- regular releases

[MedellinManDem]

I think grime's successful for what it is.

I swear some people expect some next level ting ya na...it's jokes.

[Retrofreak]

I don't think Grime has shown 1/10th of what it could be.

[Jay05]

I think Dubstep is bigger than Grime but go to a house / dance / d n b night and ask them to play some dubstep and u often get the dj saying he has no Dubstep or hasnt heard of it.

Grime could be said to be the only black uk music

UK hip hop has a massive white follwing
Dubstep is largely white
There isnt really any real reggae or dancehall scenes in the uk

Therefor i guess grime wins by default

[Retrofreak]

I think Dubstep is bigger than Grime but go to a house / dance / d n b night and ask them to play some dubstep and u often get the dj saying he has no Dubstep or hasnt heard of it.

Grime could be said to be the only black uk music

UK hip hop has a massive white follwing
Dubstep is largely white
There isnt really any real reggae or dancehall scenes in the uk

Therefor i guess grime wins by default


Grime could be said to be the only black uk music...No

UK hip hop has a massive white follwing (still black music)

Dubstep is largely white (It's modern day Reggae Dub..still black music)

There isnt really any real reggae or dancehall scenes in the uk??


Try telling that to the hundreds of thousands of people who attend Notting hill,Leeds and Birmingaham carnivals etc.

Reggae's part of the mainstream now it has been since the late 70's, hence Dubstep now existing.

Hip-Hop is mainy bought by white people, but that does not stop black people from being the authors.

[Jay05]

it depends how u class the colour of music

not that the colour issue should be important

[Quality Control]

Grime could be said to be the only black uk music...No

UK hip hop has a massive white follwing (still black music)

Dubstep is largely white (It's modern day Reggae Dub..still black music)

There isnt really any real reggae or dancehall scenes in the uk??


Try telling that to the hundreds of thousands of people who attend Notting hill,Leeds and Birmingaham carnivals etc.

Reggae's part of the mainstream now it has been since the late 70's, hence Dubstep now existing.

Hip-Hop is mainy bought by white people, but that does not stop black people from being the authors.

grime has baaare white fans nowadays too yaknow

edit: think i was meant to quote Jay05

[Jay05]

grime has baaare white fans nowadays too yaknow

edit: think i was meant to quote Jay05

yeah its true, although there are only a few mc's who are white

i really dont believe that the colour issue is that big.

[Mister Lacey]

I don't think Grime has shown 1/10th of what it could be.

co signed.

[Mister Lacey]

Colour should not be an issue in music as long as artists respect it's origins.

[Retrofreak]

Colour should not be an issue in music as long as artists respect it's origins.

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[screwface]

at ppl saying bassline is a black form of music pmsl

[nissanbluebird]

Roots Manuva could teach a grime mc a thing or two.

I wouldn't say there was a obvious successful genre at the moment.
Bassline does appear to making moves in the charts tho which is a good thing IMO.

[4737]

Bassline I think is just a trend at the moment, but doesn't have any long term chart/musical potential at all.

Agreed. I think bassline will fall victim to what a lot of overnight successes seem to fall victim to. The music will become overly samey (already happening, imo), it will stagnate, the mainstream people listening to it will get bored and move onto something else...

UK commercial music trends are often short-lived.

t.

[nissanbluebird]

Agreed. I think bassline will fall victim to what a lot of overnight successes seem to fall victim to. The music will become overly samey (already happening, imo), it will stagnate, the mainstream people listening to it will get bored and move onto something else...

UK commercial music trends are often short-lived.

t.

Yeah the UK music scene is very shallow, Not many bands get beyond the first album or song even.

That why grime does not need to go for the mainstream, because it would be the same, here today and gone tomorrow.

Dizzee has done quite well, but then again he does reinvent himself. Sirens was very different to his previous stuff.

[The merkiest guy]

ur right but thats the point, if u take its alot for example a decent upbeat structured song, theres no reason for it not to gain more success/exposure apart from the fact that its an out and out grime track

i think its just a case of certain mainstream djs/radio programmers etc are scared to push songs that sound too grimey


100% REAL TALK^^
I mean you can just tell that the people who control the playlist FEAR grime (most black music) because like it or not most black-dominated genres started out off oppresion/social problems etc..
I mean why would they want to play a track that praises not going to the police/showing n love to them!! when the head or programmer probably has an uncle who works in the police or has a relative thatis thinking about joining. I mean to play at track would pu them in a bad light and we wouldn't want that!!!

Also if lets say a couple off Bashy's tracks got banged hard on te radio from his Chupa Chups cd, following the the succes off his debut single. It would make the masses think, as his content (like many other artists) touches on he social problems within society and how people are living...........

NOW we couldn't have that because it would show that teachers, politicans, police, government ministers etc...in a bad light!!!!

This is exactly why grime aint gonna get played on mainstream radio. Alie?

[The merkiest guy]

Estelle is Estelle and she is a uk hiphop artist. However I wouldn't compare her to the whole grime scene. we should be patting her on the back and saying you've done well as a UK artist. Although I wouldn't call that the typical uk hiphop music and shes not even rapping on it thats not the point anyway. She's done that song and worked with Kanye (If the opportunity came up EVERYONE would) to get further in the door. It's a very good look for her and UK music but it took the maintream to see her with an american, pushed by an american label etc for her own country to buy into it. That's the big par. All these little scenes put together make UK urban music. At the end of the day they all look at us alllllll the same in the end. It's kind of like being british but some of us are from Northern Ireland, Wales, Scotland and england. The outside world all see us as the same. We should try our best at making the most of our little scene and for all of us to get involved and represent and support our talent. There's been some really good music coming out... but we just need to stop comparing our negatives to other scenes and get building ours. Why bother moaning about the man next doors posh house if all you have is a bloody dustbin... get a fucking grip and build your own fucking house..



100% REAL TALK^^^^

I mean se ha been grnding for 10 years, let me say that again she has been grindng for a FUCKING DECADE!!!!!!! man was 9 wn she was trying to break the music industry....
Do you know what i think ithis is (and i aint gonna go down the wole racism route) i just persoanllythink thsi country doesn't know hw to have a good tym....It's jsut too serious with every single aspects of out lifes!!! if you really want me to explain i will.

[BananaMan]

100% REAL TALK^^^^

I mean se ha been grnding for 10 years, let me say that again she has been grindng for a FUCKING DECADE!!!!!!! man was 9 wn she was trying to break the music industry....
Do you know what i think ithis is (and i aint gonna go down the wole racism route) i just persoanllythink thsi country doesn't know hw to have a good tym....It's jsut too serious with every single aspects of out lifes!!! if you really want me to explain i will.

yes elaborate please, its abit hazy

[Quality Control]

no, the people in charge of the labels and shit that could promote english black music like grime are too pussy to go their own path and take a risk by trying to market original music to mainstream audiences and would rather stick to the tired old blueprint made in America because they know it's potential and limits

[Wiz]

People need to accept that major labels will only show interest when there is obvious marketability of the product, they will not sign something that is different and experimental unless it has been proven it can work.

Dizzee, Kano and Lethal B have never sold platinum (300,000 units in UK), so there has not been proper interest in grime from major labels. In 2000/1 So Solid did well, very well, under Relentless Records [minor label], this opened opportunities for other similar artists and Pay As You Go had their single signed to Sony [major label].

[Retrofreak]

Estelle NO.1 in the US and UK >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>_________

"She still can sing"

[nissanbluebird]

679 and them types are small experimental sub labels to push music.

They gave grime a chance with them Run the Road cd's but they hardly sold none.

A few grime artists got deals and most flopped and a load didn't even make it into the studio.

People can't face the fact that the majors did give grime a chance, but it wasn't happening.

[nissanbluebird]

Estelle NO.1 in the US and UK >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>_________

"She still can sing"

Im really glad she made it.

Dizzee is out in America, it does seem if you can gain acceptance out there you will get it here.

[Mister Lacey]

That Estelle track aint doing much here.
It aint top 50 songs in Rnb/Rap or just straight up Billboard.

[Retrofreak]

Im really glad she made it.

Dizzee is out in America, it does seem if you can gain acceptance out there you will get it here.

America owns the entertainment industry end of..

[Retrofreak]

That Estelle track aint doing much here.
It aint top 50 songs in Rnb/Rap or just straight up Billboard.

Downloads

it get's a physical release this week.

[Wiz]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Boy#Chart_Performance