Do You Think That Westwood's Lack Of Quality Contol...

[Young Sen]

Do you think his lack of quality control has devalued the meaning of radio in Grime?

I think it has because i remember when getting on Westwood's show was a big thing like only the select top boys in the scene would get a chance to go up there and spray. But now we see ANY guys march up there and have done fuck all ground work e.g Pirate Radio.

When Chipmunk & Ice Kid went up there it was a very big look and it was their big break because no one but the top mc's were brought there. The hype of these two 16 year olds going to Westwood's was alot and got a million views on Youtube. Chipmunk capitalised off the whole thing nicely aswell.

Now anyone can get on Westwood's show the majority of young MCs overlook Pirate radio, what should'nt happen.

No send to Westwood because he has done alot to promote the sound but he need's to start only letting the guys who have done their ground work and the top boy's on there.

I personally think it has devalued the meaning of pirate radio to up n comers and if Westwood only started let the select guys on who have done the work to get there, will the up n comers look to pirate radio again as a way to breakthrough?

What do you think?

Discuss.

[Naruto Hatake]

Never agreed with a forum post to such an extent.

Repped.

edit: need to spread

[Young Sen]

Never agreed with a forum post to such an extent.

Repped.

edit: need to spread

Trust, the scene might be healthier without Westwood's show?!

It's strange but true imo.

[Quality Control]

Tim, if you're reading, hit me up init, I'll sort this shit out! (no homo)

[JACK]

Do you think his lack of quality control has devalued the meaning of radio in Grime?
*backs away slowly*

[The Don]

yep, been saying this for time now repped

i do respect Westwood for fully immersing himself in the scene and promoting it, although it does scream of jumping on a bandwagon

but for real, going his show was a big thing at one point, now unknown guys go on for practise hours, like there isn't pirate stations all over the city built for this and more importantly in need of it, even the shit emcees, they're not going to improve by 10mins on westwoodtv

[Young Sen]

yep, been saying this for time now repped

i do respect Westwood for fully immersing himself in the scene and promoting it, although it does scream of jumping on a bandwagon

but for real, going his show was a big thing at one point, now unknown guys go on for practise hours, like there isn't pirate stations all over the city built for this and more importantly in need of it, even the shit emcees, they're not going to improve by 10mins on westwoodtv

Yeah i agree definitely!

Cookie07
And if you don't want to contribute don't post shit.

[Cinematik]

Real Talk
I Used To Try And Get Home Early On Sunday Night From Work To Get Home And Lock-In But Recently There Aint Bin Any Classic Intervies Or Sets

[Abstract]

Certain guys that Westwood allows on his show are dispicable.

The pirates should be a stepping stone for the MC's to prove themselves enough to get on to legal radio (Kiss/1xtra)

Dizzee, Wiley, Newham Gens, all the old school guys done years of pirate radio and those sets for me are the best material to come from grime. There is a new breed of MC's coming through and it aint looking good atm.

[Valhalla]

the show still needs to exist cuz its one of two legal shows where grime is played, but ye he does need to pick only people who have put in the work in other places not just being brought in by an mc and expectin a westwood show

[Shalz08]

crib sessions is more like old westwood, obviously he aint gunna let random guys in there, more bigger mcs will go there

[Nine Bar]

Only thing I dont like is literally anyone can go on his show when they should be banging out years at Rinse first.

[GeneralT]

Like the guy said above, Crib Sessions is the new Classic Westwood.

Used to be something i tuned into often, nowadays i'd check who's on the show for Westwood and it would be a bunch of people i've never heard of. I lost interest and don't lock in. Heard JJ was on yesterday, i knew he's put the work in, checked it out.

Though i will admit one thing, i'm glad i heard that ladies night through his best of 2009 or something. I never took a bunch of female mc's to be that good. No disrespect but when the only emerging grime scene female mc is lady sovereign, it doesn't reflect well to look into the female audience.

[tazbomberman]

agreed . dudes who aint spit on a pirate show ONCE are getting up to Westwoods show like its nothing smh

[Young Sen]

Yeah i agree with the Crib Session thing that's real talk but he seriously need's to start tightening up!(n/h?)

[Curb]

Real talk, I don't even lock to check whos on, ill just dl a rip if its worthy

[Tony Starks]

I know QCs got a lot of rep but I don't see how gettin him on westwood is gonna help the situation realy...

[Tony Starks]

Real talk, I don't even lock to check whos on, ill just dl a rip if its worthy
Same

[S.Dubz]

Westwood don't know what he's doing he's old.

[Maxsta]

Fully True

[Mr Nasri]

no because we'll be stuck with the same artists all the time, like on logans

like I never heaard of the ukm lot now I do

[Young Sen]

no because we'll be stuck with the same artists all the time, like on logans

That's where Pirate Radio comes into play and i can honestly say that i lock into Logan's every week... I hav'nt locked into Westwood's in time.

Logan's doing things correctly and that's why his show is better.

[Nine Bar]

He Can't even mix.

[Mr Nasri]

That's where Pirate Radio comes into play and i can honestly say that i lock into Logan's every week... I hav'nt locked into Westwood's in time.

Logan's doing things correctly and that's why his show is better.

logans does better mixing and beats, but

how do you get on pirate radio these days? like the main rinse fm?

its really just who you are friends with that gets you noticed

thats why I like westwood always some different.

[Nine Bar]

logans does better mixing and beats, but

how do you get on pirate radio these days? like the main rinse fm?

its really just who you are friends with that gets you noticed

thats why I like westwood always some different.

Theres more pirates then rinse, cmon.

[Mr Nasri]

Theres more pirates then rinse, cmon.

internet.. tell me one fm station?

[critic of musical arts]

I agree with the first post. Summed it up nicely.

[Young Sen]

logans does better mixing and beats, but

how do you get on pirate radio these days? like the main rinse fm?

its really just who you are friends with that gets you noticed

thats why I like westwood always some different.

Urban FM & Axe FM are good platform's.

It definitely is'nt hard to contact the DJ's there, some are on here, it just takes initiative and it help create a buzz for an up n coming MC. How else do you think the top guy's got to where they are.

[Mr Nasri]

Urban FM & Axe FM are good platform's.

It definitely is'nt hard to contact the DJ's there, some are on here, it just takes initiative and it help create a buzz for an up n coming MC. How else do you think the top guy's got to where they are.

yh then times though the fm scene was big only rinse now do grime

deja's gone etc

not alot of people lock in to internet 2bh do you?

[Young Sen]

yh then times though the fm scene was big only rinse now do grime

deja's gone etc

not alot of people lock in to internet 2bh do you?

I listen to nearly every radio grime set at home tbh.

If man like D Double E can go to Axe & Urban, NO MC can try think their above and better than them stations.

If the Mc's that are going to do a set post up here saying it and facebook, they will get noticed and people will listen if they think they are good.

Grime is alot to do with networking and working up the rank's... If an Mc is good, put's in the work and networks well there's no reason for them not to breakthrough.

[Mr Nasri]

I listen to nearly every radio grime set at home tbh.

If man like D Double E can go to Axe & Urban, NO MC can try think their above and better than them stations.

If the Mc's that are going to do a set post up here saying it and facebook, they will get noticed and people will listen if they think they are good.

Grime is alot to do with networking and working up the rank's... If an Mc is good, put's in the work and networks well there's no reason for them not to breakthrough.

alot like a bring in what alot of people are complaining about

['nuum general]

there are two reasons for this:

1) Westwood knows little about grime so he just gets on people who he's told to

2) No one is willing to graft & put in the ground work. Radio in an fm sense may be dying but there's no reason not to do internet stations (Which will take off even more once everyone can stream through their phone) and studio sets

[Young Sen]

alot like a bring in what alot of people are complaining about

Yeah basically being able to chat to people properly.

Mc's don't need to rely on bringin's, they should be able to establish themselves and by going around radio practicing, then creating a buzz, then the top boys should take notice.

It's not about being an unheard of mc, landing to Westwood's and thinking you're gonna blow because people won't even take notice anymore.

Pirate radio is essential.

[Informed Opinion]

whys this forum become a bunch of complainers?

[Lemon]

Maybe.
But i think people have missed the huge difference between Westwood's Radio 1 slot and his 1Xtra slot. His 1Xtra one seems easy for some air guys to get on, but Radio 1 still has tight quality control on guests IMO


whys this forum become a bunch of complainers?

Maybe just getting old. Surely your just complaining about people complaining though


thats why I like westwood always some different.
Getting on rinse isn't too hard, yeah you might need to know guys or actually do some decent self promotion and send tracks to Rinse DJ's. Loads of barely known up and comers just wanna get on Westwood, Logan and Cameo, then wonder why they get air.

Something different isn't always good when their complete shit.

[Young Sen]

whys this forum become a bunch of complainers?

I'm just saying init, there's nothing wrong with discussion.

[Retrofreak]

Westwood 1xtra Grime's show is nothing, but a youth club and tuck shop.

[Young Sen]

Westwood 1xtra Grime's show is nothing, but a youth club and tuck shop.

Tbh :laugh:

[Grimes]

westwood and logan sama are two extremes

[Grimes]

better inclusive than exclusivity and isolation

[R-Style]

westwood and logan sama are two extremes

We complain about bring ins on logan but bring ins are westwoods main guests. Eg mc shaoudo or whateva his name is. And westwood has wong on by himself for Fuck sake. And man has the same guests on every few weeks

[Young Sen]

better inclusive than exclusivity and isolation

Big word's and you're wrong imo, Logan's is a better show and Westwood brings guys like this through!?!?!??!?!?!

kSyClUWt3f0

[Prez-T]I Would Rather Listen To An Hour Of Cough And Sneeze[/Prez-T]

[Informed Opinion]

yeah cause hes trying to bring them thru and give them shine you speng

[Young Sen]

yeah cause hes trying to bring them thru and give them shine you speng

Findhiminthebackofthegayclub

Do not post here because you don't even get what i'm trying to say, read the first post.

Guys like him should not be allowed on legal radio, with no groundwork done.

[Informed Opinion]

yeah cause hes trying to bring them thru and give them shine you speng

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[Mr Nasri]

We complain about bring ins on logan but bring ins are westwoods main guests. Eg mc shaoudo or whateva his name is. And westwood has wong on by himself for Fuck sake. And man has the same guests on every few weeks

who brang in mc shaodow

a bring in is a person who obviously taged along with a big mc to on countless ocassions and then got face from it

thats not shaodow

[Nokia]

Guys like him should not be allowed on legal radio, with no groundwork done.

Guys like him should not be allowed on radio...full stop lol.

[Mr Nasri]

better inclusive than exclusivity and isolation

i swear it was you who said something about logan making the scene 15 mc's

have to agree he keeps the list to tight

[VenoM]

But now we see ANY guys march up there and have done fuck all ground work e.g Pirate Radio.


Just like channel u/aka


Westwood don't know what he's doing he's old.

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[Dan-91]

I agree with the OP, but he does tighten it up for his Crib Sessions and Radio 1 slot.
So imo he uses his 1Xtra show to promote everyone and anyone in underground UK music.

[Ghost]

Any diked thread...

Westwoods helpin da scene grow more den dat e3 puppet logon sama.

[Young Sen]

Any diked thread...

Westwoods helpin da scene grow more den dat e3 puppet logon sama.

You're low IQ is not needed, go read a book.

[Grimes]

pirate radio is dead, i agree shit emcees shouldn't be allowed on westwood show but regardless it has no effect on grime

[JACK]

pirate radio is dead, i agree shit emcees shouldn't be allowed on westwood show but regardless it has no effect on grime

i might now cosign as its basically my half page post i scrapped compressed

[crimzon codez]

Do you think his lack of quality control has devalued the meaning of radio in Grime?

I think it has because i remember when getting on Westwood's show was a big thing like only the select top boys in the scene would get a chance to go up there and spray. But now we see ANY guys march up there and have done fuck all ground work e.g Pirate Radio.

When Chipmunk & Ice Kid went up there it was a very big look and it was their big break because no one but the top mc's were brought there. The hype of these two 16 year olds going to Westwood's was alot and got a million views on Youtube. Chipmunk capitalised off the whole thing nicely aswell.

Now anyone can get on Westwood's show the majority of young MCs overlook Pirate radio, what should'nt happen.

No send to Westwood because he has done alot to promote the sound but he need's to start only letting the guys who have done their ground work and the top boy's on there.

I personally think it has devalued the meaning of pirate radio to up n comers and if Westwood only started let the select guys on who have done the work to get there, will the up n comers look to pirate radio again as a way to breakthrough?

What do you think?

Discuss.

i take the point there does seem to be a lack of quality at times but i think if you were being real all the big names that you can think of,if they was on rotate the shows would all sound the same,so its a case of up and comers getting a chance to shine and also a show that doesnt sound the same every other month.. the thing is each artist would have to come up with new bars each time so it could take a serios chunk out of the artists time when they could be working to produce the best mixtape/album for the masses..

also pirate radio isnt always as far reaching as some may think,and as fm radio is at some point going to swich off d.a.b is going to be one of the only ways for heads to get heard.. but yeah westwood shows can get tedios at times but it could be alot worst still..

[Ghost]

You're low IQ is not needed, go read a book.

Ura joke

How many mcs have been grindin out pirate radio for time brought out bare mixtapes holled at logan n got air....

Logan only goes by wut he reads on dis forum and only plays wuteva he hears Spyro plays...reasons why dere only 10 mcs in the scene!

[Young Sen]

pirate radio is dead, i agree shit emcees shouldn't be allowed on westwood show but regardless it has no effect on grime

You listen to Rinse on Sunday's?? lol

Pirate radio is not dead.

I think it does affect grime because up and comers think they can skip pirate radio and just go Westwood's. Some people who go Westwood would'nt even be allowed on pirates tbh.

[R-Style]

who brang in mc shaodow

a bring in is a person who obviously taged along with a big mc to on countless ocassions and then got face from it

thats not shaodow

i get what ur sayin g but what i meant was if shaodow came on logan we would all be compalining (because he is shit) and compare him to unwanted brings ins (the swag vertex on logans fireworks special) but on westwood he gets his own slot by himself

i was commenting on westwoods shitty quality control init

[The Don]

Big word's and you're wrong imo, Logan's is a better show and Westwood brings guys like this through!?!?!??!?!?!

kSyClUWt3f0

[Prez-T]I Would Rather Listen To An Hour Of Cough And Sneeze[/Prez-T]

he got on his mum knows Westwood

that is what's wrong with Westwoods show lol

[Equilibrium]

pirate radio is as dead as grime is.

[Young Sen]

Ura joke

How many mcs have been grindin out pirate radio for time brought out bare mixtapes holled at logan n got air....

Logan only goes by wut he reads on dis forum and only plays wuteva he hears Spyro plays...reasons why dere only 10 mcs in the scene!

Bruv you're a joke 09 fan.

Logan has been around for time and has came from a pirate to legal radio. You really think he looks to Spyro to see what he should play!?

[Grimes]

You listen to Rinse on Sunday's?? lol

Pirate radio is not dead.

I think it does affect grime because up and comers think they can skip pirate radio and just go Westwood's. Some people who go Westwood would'nt even be allowed on pirates tbh.

rinse is really the place for up n coming emcees to ply their trade.

[Mr Nasri]

i get what ur sayin g but what i meant was if shaodow came on logan we would all be compalining (because he is shit) and compare him to unwanted brings ins (the swag vertex on logans fireworks special) but on westwood he gets his own slot by himself

i was commenting on westwoods shitty quality control init

but westwood i swear airs like 2-3 sets a show?

[Ghost]

Bruv you're a joke 09 fan.

Logan has been around for time and has came from a pirate to legal radio. You really think he looks to Spyro to see what he should play!?


Fukin dum ass

From u sed dat i aint even guna post ne more cah u really aint gotta clue, ssssmmmmmmmmmmhhhhhhhhhhh.

[Young Sen]

rinse is really the place for up n coming emcees to ply their trade.

Yeah, but so are others to... I'm just saying that up and comers are thinking their to good for pirates because they can go Westwood's what has devalued pirate radio.

[Mr Nasri]

Fukin dum ass

From u sed dat i aint even guna post ne more cah u really aint gotta clue, ssssmmmmmmmmmmhhhhhhhhhhh.


shake shake shake shake my my my my my my my my my my head head head head head head head head head head

[Young Sen]

Fukin dum ass

From u sed dat i aint even guna post ne more cah u really aint gotta clue, ssssmmmmmmmmmmhhhhhhhhhhh.

Type properly... Don't be get hasty because you went and searched what IQ meant and took a test and got -3.

[adidasgrandad]

2) No one is willing to graft & put in the ground work. Radio in an fm sense may be dying but there's no reason not to do internet stations (Which will take off even more once everyone can stream through their phone) and studio sets

been saying this for a while still

[ItsMrKillah]

I totally agree, I mean pirate radio was like the start for Grime really don't you think? Like AxeFM when Black Da Ripper was clashing people in 2005 and won again people like Rhymestein, I agree with what you're saying, I've been on pirate radio in my town, I mean it was the best music experience I had, and when I see people on Westwood who are quite frankly inexperienced and shit, I just wonder why can't I get up there, just because they got the link ups this mean they deserve to be on the world wide radio 1xtra? There are an upside to it though, as there are some good people who come on that I have never heard before, like Scru-Fizzer and when definitely like you said Chipmunk and Ice Kid, was nice to see a grime legend like Wiley bring youngers who deserved it through, and Ice Kid had past fame as well, with Double Trouble and was nice to see him older and coming back to the scene.

[Grimes]

Yeah, but so are others to... I'm just saying that up and comers are thinking their to good for pirates because they can go Westwood's what has devalued pirate radio.

no pirate is dead for grime with little interest by fans

no one is undervalueing pirate as its virtually dead its just not the same breeding ground as it used to be, same price for subs but less interest is taken in it now we have shows like logan sama's which didn't used to be around in the pomp of de ja, heat , rinse etc.

emcees aren't circumventing it just because of westwood they are undervaluing it because it simply isn't neccessary for progression in the scene.


like one guy said logan nor westwood are watching the pirates

[Revolution]

Its mainly down to the dimise of pirate radio

[Revolution]

no pirate is dead for grime with little interest by fans

no one is undervalueing pirate as its virtually dead its just not the same breeding ground as it used to be, same price for subs but less interest is taken in it now we have shows like logan sama's which didn't used to be around in the pomp of de ja, heat , rinse etc.

emcees aren't circumventing it just because of westwood they are undervaluing it because it simply isn't neccessary for progression in the scene.


like one guy said logan nor westwood are watching the pirates

gd point

[Wallace Ninety Two]

Do you think his lack of quality control has devalued the meaning of radio in Grime?

I think it has because i remember when getting on Westwood's show was a big thing like only the select top boys in the scene would get a chance to go up there and spray. But now we see ANY guys march up there and have done fuck all ground work e.g Pirate Radio.

When Chipmunk & Ice Kid went up there it was a very big look and it was their big break because no one but the top mc's were brought there. The hype of these two 16 year olds going to Westwood's was alot and got a million views on Youtube. Chipmunk capitalised off the whole thing nicely aswell.

Now anyone can get on Westwood's show the majority of young MCs overlook Pirate radio, what should'nt happen.

No send to Westwood because he has done alot to promote the sound but he need's to start only letting the guys who have done their ground work and the top boy's on there.

I personally think it has devalued the meaning of pirate radio to up n comers and if Westwood only started let the select guys on who have done the work to get there, will the up n comers look to pirate radio again as a way to breakthrough?

What do you think?

Discuss.

any examples of the people your on about.