Is grime ...

[Steez]

too lyrical?


I dunno if I worded that right to get a discussion started aiming at what I'm thinking but like

Soulja Boy. Some popular shit. Not amazingly lyrical, but hype, works in a club, sold a hell of a lot of ringtones etc.

Ghetto. Popular guy. Quite lyrical, very hype, doesn't really get played in a club etc. etc.


Does anyone even see where I'm going with this?

Like, club music, basic shit like Crank Dat works because people don't go out to listen to 64 bars of triple sendage super metaphors ...

Is this affecting grime's mainstream appeal?




Another example, POW was big. That was fairly basic, hookline stuff. Easy to learn, sing and pick up.

[adidasgrandad]

i see what you mean. only really old fashioned hip hop heads really criticise grime for being like that (from past experience anyway). i dont think it makes much difference

[DJ Mad Vybez]

not really grime like hip hop has things to suit everyone from basic bars where u can sing along like skepta
to people with deep bars like ghetto

['nuum general]

bring back one line flows!!!

[Joe]

dunno soulja boys fansbase 16-19 the same ppl that r in clubs, gettin ringtones, hes like 17 himself and he jus did his own thing in theres different american hip-hop scenes and was influenced by 50, ghetto is more lyrical bcos of his competition around him like wiley

[Retrofreak]

I hear what your saying.

Pop music is generally 3-4 yrs behind underground music.
That said I think tracks like.

Crazy Titch "Sing a long" could work now ,because of it's simplicity imo.

[Carter]

LMFAO........No grime is not too lyrical

[BG1]

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[Steez]

Crazy Titch "Sing a long" could work now ,because of it's simplicity imo.]
Did Singalong not make a big impact anyway? Although, yeah, I think it would go further now.

But also stuff like Hype Hype got far because of the simplicity

[Demos]

bring back one line flows!!!

!!!!!!!!

[Grimes]

there used to be a balanced however things have changes and skippy lyrics have now the norm

[Demos]

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haha

[Grimes]

one line flows were swag, infact they were worse than swag. hangtite the people that generally want grime to degenerate back

[Demos]

one line flows were sick
if i wanna listen to something lyrical, i'll listen to illmatic

[Grimes]

IT WEREN'T EVEN ABOUT whats lyrical and whats not . when i think back how all them decent/good beats on treddin on thin ice were ruined by wiley it makes me shudder.

[Retrofreak]

one line flows were sick
if i wanna listen to something lyrical, i'll listen to illmatic

Real,

There's definitely room for a balance.

The one line flows had that dancehall catchiness.

Too much multis in fast skippy bars are inaudible in a rave..
Thats one of the main reasons Ghetts never wins a clash and why I still cant sing the hook to "Top 3 Selected"

[EllaDecember]

soulja boy might be making money, but he's not respected. i guess whats more important to be respected and make little money or make loads of money and have no respect

[Joe]

soulja boy might be making money, but he's not respected. i guess whats more important to be respected and make little money or make loads of money and have no respect

most just make loads of money and not give a f@ck abt every1 else dolly

[Wiz]

What do you mean by "one line flows" ?

[Grimes]

flows compiled purely on lines that end with the same word

[critic of musical arts]

What do you mean by "one line flows" ?

when u repeat the same word (or phrase) at the last part of every bar

[itshellz]

flows compiled purely on lines that end with the same word

:dead: Inadis , wen im ere , slew wasteman etcetcetc :dead:

['nuum general]

one line flows were good for hype, which is/was the primary role of the emcee in grime. I'm not saying everyone should use them all the time, but i prefer to hear a hype bar using a one line flow than a sub-par verse by someone with limited lyrical ability

[U.M.P]

i see where your comin from

[itshellz]

i think a bit of one line flow within somthing decent lyrically adds to a tune , its quite rare il listen to a grime set / track full of content - as its usually sub par , content+one line flows means it can be catchy plus deep.

[EllaDecember]

but where will soulja boy be in ten years time anyway? good lyrical content= longevity ;)

[itshellz]

but where will soulja boy be in ten years time anyway? good lyrical content= longevity ;)

Noones said they want pure one liners lol , and i bet you he'll be in a better financial position than most in ten years time lol

p.s i still hate soulja bitch

[Steez]

but where will soulja boy be in ten years time anyway? good lyrical content= longevity ;)
He'll have a nice yard either way

[R-Style]

What do you mean by "one line flows" ?

this soundboi sed he had a new FLOW
new flow rudeboi thats an old FLOW
flows, i must b the master of FLOWS

etc etc

[Wiz]

Oh seen lol, yeah some one line flows are cool
-"Slew wasteman" was kinda crap when I think about it.
-"When im ere" was fire, that's undeniable
-Solo 45's "innadis" flow was sick, can't remember anyone else's though

[itshellz]

Oh seen lol, yeah some one line flows are cool
-"Slew wasteman" was kinda crap when I think about it.
-"When im ere" was fire, that's undeniable
-Solo 45's "innadis" flow was sick, can't remember anyone else's though

Still got that BlayZ ft. best of the best - INNA DIS lol ,and yes solo was fire onit

[abass]

LMFAO........No grime is not too lyrical

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[GrimmyGrimGrim]

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ASOIHASDASHDLA LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

[Eric Cantona]

Bring Back Demon!

[ALM]

wot u call it garage
i dont care bout garage
listen to it, it dont sound like garage
who told you that i made garage
wiley kats got his own sound its not garage
make it in a studio not in a garage
here in london theres sound garage
heres my sound it sure aint garage
i hear they dont like me in garage

[RIP Jakey]

Roachee's When I'm ere>>>>>>>>>

[Eric Cantona]

Roachee's When I'm ere>>>>>>>>>

Yeh, on the rinse sessions cd pack he spits them bars over duppy beat, its mad lol.

[The Elijah]

soulja boy might be making money, but he's not respected. i guess whats more important to be respected and make little money or make loads of money and have no respect

nail.

after all dis shit over, he wont be able to make a penny from music neway

[EllaDecember]

last point:
hip hop was too lyrical when it first started, and when it entered its golden age (before it became materialistic) it made a lot of money, why can't grime be the same?

[FG]

Wiley's one line flow on 'kicked out the game' gets me ridiculously hype

They're ok in moderation

Grime is certainly becoming more lyrical, away from the raves and onto digital format, albums and that.

Since the grime scene has a problem making good songs, lyricism is a better way of dealing with things

Grime will be UK Hip Hop in 5-10 years imo (if its not already)

[adidasgrandad]

Wiley's one line flow on 'kicked out the game' gets me ridiculously hype

They're ok in moderation

Grime is certainly becoming more lyrical, away from the raves and onto digital format, albums and that.

Since the grime scene has a problem making good songs, lyricism is a better way of dealing with things

Grime will be UK Hip Hop in 5-10 years imo (if its not already)

nah grime will be grime. one genre doesnt just become another. actually.. what do you mean by that?like do you mean it will be ukhh in terms of the sound?

[Quality Control]

..yeah grime will never blow with man like Jammer spitting mind-blowingly profound lyrics, it just goes way over people's heads

[bailey_187]

last point:
hip hop was too lyrical when it first started, and when it entered its golden age (before it became materialistic) it made a lot of money, why can't grime be the same?

it wasnt.

['nuum general]

..yeah grime will never blow with man like Jammer spitting mind-blowingly profound lyrics, it just goes way over people's heads

LMAO

[Pred]

Dollie's right, Rapper's Delight was WAAAAAAY to lyrical.

[Steez]

..yeah grime will never blow with man like Jammer spitting mind-blowingly profound lyrics, it just goes way over people's heads
To be fair ... Murkle Man went far, was a very big tune and was a load of bollocks ... my point proved again ... basic shit works

[EllaDecember]

and when i say "too lyrical", too lyrical compared to other music at that time....

[Jae Dave]

besides the likes of ghetto and devlin i dont think grime is that lyrical lol.

[MedellinManDem]

Eskimo Dances and Old Sidewinder raves >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ANYTHING around today. That was in the day of one line flows...so what are man telling me?