Definition of grime

[Grimes]

You know what the main problem is though? There isn't a definition for grime. So one track might be grime, and another, that sounds completely different. It's kinda weird.


This is a fundamental problem which has been ignored for sometime, Grime lacks a explicit definition which causes problems concerning the classifications of certain songs. I suggest we come to some agreement of a solid definition of grime instead of just stating that grime is derived from dancehall, garage and hiphop which is rather obscure IMO.

Any suggestions as previously stated it would solve a lot of problems

[BG1]

grime noun thick ingrained dirt or soot. verb (grimed, griming) to soil something heavily; to make something filthy.
ETYMOLOGY: 15c: from Flemish grijm.
http://www.chambersharrap.co.uk/chambers/features/chref/chref.py/main?query=grime&title=21st&sourceid=Mozilla-search

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[Retrofreak]

Like any genre there's gonna be different takes on the sound, it should differ from person to person or we'll have endless Wiley clones.

I'd personally like to hear Grime that's not all synth based and not constantly stuck within the same tempo range.

We don't complain about Grime sounding like Dancehall, half as much as we do about Hip Hop.

Maybe it's because their getting so close it's scary?

Kinda reminds of School day's when you'd slew a girl that you really liked deep down, but didn't want to admit it lol.

[Carter]

Just call it UK Hip Hop and be done with it!

[Wiz]

You define a genre by listing it's traits and it's origins. But grime is made up of so many shared traits it's not easy to identify.
All you can say is that it's commonly 140BPM.....why???...because Fruityloops starts on that tempo when you open it up.
How you gonna limit a genre to a tempo because that's what speed the software that the sound originated from started at?

[RISKY!]

Just call it UK Hip Hop and be done with it!

:evilgrin:

[Demos]

bring back alias, they were the beats that defined grime for me

[TRU_G]

The minute you start giving a genre a sound that it HAS to sound like, thats when the scene gets boring, tedious and nothing is ever fresh

Fuck that

Who cares what it is called it all comes down the what an individuals interpretation of 'Grime' is

[Grimes]

Who said a definition had to be based on musical styles?

Someone people would consider grime music to be any thing that was cultivated through the conventional mediums of grime i.e I lov you by dizzee rascal Unfortunately those channels have withered away i.e pirate radio

[Wiz]

Who said a definition had to be based on musical styles?

Someone people would consider grime music to be any thing that was cultivated through the conventional mediums of grime i.e I lov you by dizzee rascal Unfortunately those channels have withered away i.e pirate radio

Conventional mediums of grime?

[Mc Shakespear]

Grime is the voices of todays youths, no long , thats how i will define grime

[TRU_G]

Who said a definition had to be based on musical styles?

Someone people would consider grime music to be any thing that was cultivated through the conventional mediums of grime i.e I lov you by dizzee rascal Unfortunately those channels have withered away i.e pirate radio

Well before Grime was called Grime, when people didn't know what to call it they called it 'Grime' because the beats sound GRIMEY not for any other reason

And here your talking about 'conventional mediums of Grime' your getting into all this 'Grime is a culture' - which is BS. The lifestyle that Grime artists/fans lives is a working class british youth culture, as is not like so because of genres of music

Music reflects society, not the other way round - people need to learn this, especially Daily Mail readers who think Grime is to blame for stabbings/shootings

[Grime Star]

My grime definition: Grime is a genre of music that provokes anger and hype. It is usually fast paced spitting with amazing beats that could stand as a single on its own. Grime takes characteristics from other genre such as Dancehall,Hip Hop Garage and Drum and bass but is still able to sound unique fresh and when done corectly very raw and innovative.

A perfect grime tune would be on that has the raw energy of a radio set but more polished and contains lots of bass

[Retrofreak]

The minute you start giving a genre a sound that it HAS to sound like, thats when the scene gets boring, tedious and nothing is ever fresh

Fuck that

Who cares what it is called it all comes down the what an individuals interpretation of 'Grime' is

^^^Real talk

[Quality Control]

..we should be more focused on grime becoming a culture/sub-culture like every other genre is, rather than a certain bpm.. to me Dizzee, Kano and Lethal are still grime MCs and will always be, because of their roots and being a part of the 'grime sub-culture'.. (whether i like their new hip-hop cross-over music or not)

..we can't just eject everyone who makes a cross-over track out of the scene.. what other genre does that!?

[Retrofreak]

..we should be more focused on grime becoming a culture/sub-culture like every other genre is, rather than a certain bpm.. to me Dizzee, Kano and Lethal are still grime MCs and will always be, because of their roots and being a part of the 'grime sub-culture'.. (whether i like their new hip-hop cross-over music or not)

..we can't just eject everyone who makes a cross-over track out of the scene.. what other genre does that!?

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[Grimes]

Well before Grime was called Grime, when people didn't know what to call it they called it 'Grime' because the beats sound GRIMEY not for any other reason

And here your talking about 'conventional mediums of Grime' your getting into all this 'Grime is a culture' - which is BS. The lifestyle that Grime artists/fans lives is a working class british youth culture, as is not like so because of genres of music

Music reflects society, not the other way round - people need to learn this, especially Daily Mail readers who think Grime is to blame for stabbings/shootings

:| i don't know where you inferred this "grime is a culture" thing from mate maybe maybe its the connotations of the word convention , so your telling me pirate radio wasn't of extreme significance to the development of grime

I think the name grime only speaks for one aspect of the whole scene and some of my favorite tunes from present and the past that have come out of the scene i would not immediately associate with the word grime

[Wiz]

And here your talking about 'conventional mediums of Grime' your getting into all this 'Grime is a culture' - which is BS. The lifestyle that Grime artists/fans lives is a working class british youth culture, as is not like so because of genres of music

Music reflects society, not the other way round - people need to learn this, especially Daily Mail readers who think Grime is to blame for stabbings/shootings
It is a culture, just like hiphop is a culture, working class british youth culture isn't one thing. Just because a type of music states the name of a culture it doesn't define it.

[me!!!]

hip hop or rap comes with alot of different tempos and sounds but you still know its hip hop, how???

[Grimes]

Who cares what it is called it all comes down the what an individuals interpretation of 'Grime' is

it matters when generally good albums produced by artists comming from the grime scene are bitterly rejected as being considered grime because they have omitted wobble-base and a lead synth.

it matters that
My whole

[Grimes]

It matters when any piece of garbage that is exhibited on Channel U is known as Grime when there is no certain link present to associate it with the grime scene

[Quality Control]

It matters when any piece of garbage that is exhibited on Channel U is known as Grime when there is no certain link present to associate it with the grime scene

..i regard pretty much everything from Channel U as grime even though it's shit

[Steez]

I think grime is defined most of the time by the DJ that plays it.

eg. A hip hop track played at 72bpm mixed with an Alias track by Slimzee would probably get classed as grime back in the day if you didn't know the hip hop original

[TRU_G]

it matters when generally good albums produced by artists comming from the grime scene are bitterly rejected as being considered grime because they have omitted wobble-base and a lead synth.

it matters that
My whole

Your right, but by trying to define it, FOR EXAMPLE saying that all the tracks should have wobble-base and a lead synth (i know thats not what you are saying, but as an example) would make the music boring, tedious and dead within a year

I mean, forums are for discussion so you obviously get a lot of hating, way I see it, it is up to Scorcher and Wretch if they want to make Hip Hop, and we all have a moan about it but on a real, some people obvioulsy like it, so we can do nothing else apart not to buy/listen/support their music

[me!!!]

When I hear a grime mc on hip hop, fucky house, anything, i think of it as grime because of the way the mc's come across with their bars and their feeling. For instance my life by wretch is hip hop but to me its grime!

[Wiz]

hip hop or rap comes with alot of different tempos and sounds but you still know its hip hop, how???
The vocals

If Timbaland hadn't put Justin Timberlake and TI on that tune it would have been classified as Techno/Dance.

[me!!!]

The vocals

If Timbaland hadn't put Justin Timberlake and TI on that tune it would have been classified as Techno/Dance.

Thats what im saying, a grime mc on ANY beat to me gives the tune a grime feel, you obviously cant call funky house grime but some hip hopish beats i beleive CAN be viewed as grime because of the choice of sounds and the grimey way the mc spits.

[me!!!]

The vocals

If Timbaland hadn't put Justin Timberlake and TI on that tune it would have been classified as Techno/Dance.

Thats what im saying, a grime mc on ANY beat to me gives the tune a grime feel, you obviously cant call funky house grime but some hip hopish beats i beleive CAN be viewed as grime because of the choice of sounds and the grimey way the mc spits.

[Grimes]

Thats what im saying, a grime mc on ANY beat to me gives the tune a grime feel, you obviously cant call funky house grime but some hip hopish beats i beleive CAN be viewed as grime because of the choice of sounds and the grimey way the mc spits.

If thats the case then the usual grimey sounds will erode away and then the name "grime" would be logically irrelevant and then grime would be just be alternative to or sub-form of rap.

So is an essence your saying grime is just a style of vocal performance similar to rap

[Major]

Just call it UK Hip Hop and be done with it!

its come to far to just be called uk hiphop now....



and you cant really put a defniiton on hiphop these days either

[me!!!]

If thats the case then the usual grimey sounds will erode away and then the name "grime" would be logically irrelevant and then grime would be just be alternative to or sub-form of rap.

So is an essence your saying grime is just a style of vocal performance similar to rap

Grime IS and english form of rap no two ways about it!

[Retrofreak]

Grime IS and english form of rap no two ways about it!

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['nuum general]

Grime IS and english form of rap no two ways about it!

it appears to be heading in that direction unfortunately

[Major]

well it is rap because technically you are rapping but that doesnt make the music hiphop.......

[Quality Control]

well it is rap because technically you are rapping but that doesnt make the music hiphop.......

..exactly.. rapping is just the medium the lyrics are expressed through... not every genre where you sing is called folk is it?

[MedellinManDem]

..i regard pretty much everything from Channel U as grime even though it's shit

Come on man. There's bare UKHH shit on Channel U. Who remembers that Podgy Figgaz bre...you call that grime?

Then again, it might have changed since I last watched Channel U (some years ago).

[Major]

..exactly.. rapping is just the medium the lyrics are expressed through... not every genre where you sing is called folk is it?

exactly.

id say this defines grime http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grime_%28music%29

[Retrofreak]

..exactly.. rapping is just the medium the lyrics are expressed through... not every genre where you sing is called folk is it?

Folk is localized to whatever region it's in just like Hip Hop is.

I think Grime is localized rap music now..
Originally it was guy's MCing over dark garage, but with the lack of clubs the beats and spitting have become more advanced and Mix CD based, thus sounding more like our version of Hip Hop imo.

[adidasgrandad]

the reason i like grime is because there aint one style which defines grime. theres loads. for example rapids productions are totally different to maniacs whose productions are totally different to waifers...yet they are all still grime.

the grime sound is so dynamic its hard to give a definiton of the grime sound.
what one person thinks is grime, another person might disagree. i normally differentiate what is and what isnt grime, based on the idea of grimeyness lol if it sounds grimey (through the use of bass or whatever) through my speakers then it grime in my opinion

but then again people could describe it from a cultural point of view. for example retrofreak said it was localised rap music.

[Major]

Folk is localized to whatever region it's in just like Hip Hop is.

I think Grime is localized rap music now..
Originally it was guy's MCing over dark garage, but with the lack of clubs the beats and spitting have become more advanced and Mix CD based, thus sounding more like our version of Hip Hop imo.

so anytime you 'rap' on a piece of music whether it be electro or what ever it automatically becomes hiphop?

[Grimes]

So what i'm getting so far is that grime shouldn't be bound to certain music maxim and grime is a style of performance not a sound. So if that is the case then Wearing my rolex is Grime am i right?

[Retrofreak]

the reason i like grime is because there aint one style which defines grime. theres loads. for example rapids productions are totally different to maniacs whose productions are totally different to waifers...yet they are all still grime.

the grime sound is so dynamic its hard to give a definiton of the grime sound.
what one person thinks is grime, another person might disagree. i normally differentiate what is and what isnt grime, based on the idea of grimeyness lol if it sounds grimey (through the use of bass or whatever) through my speakers then it grime in my opinion

but then again people could describe it from a cultural point of view. for example retrofreak said it was localised rap music.

^^^^I agree ,but there's a grey area with all this as well.

I still say it's localized and down to who's produced the track whether it's classed as Grime or not.

Without the Garage element Grime is in no mans land musically in terms of identity.

There IS an overall dark grimy sound ,but I hear that also in other things like Dubstep and certain Hip Hop tracks.

Rapid is probably my favorite beatmaker ,but allot of his beats could be on a Ludacris or T.I album.

Manic's production style is based on Rapid's so they follow a similar trajectory imo.

[Grimes]

^^^^I agree ,but there's a grey area with all this as well.

I still say it's localized and down to who's produced the track whether it's classed as Grime or not.


:|

[Retrofreak]

so anytime you 'rap' on a piece of music whether it be electro or what ever it automatically becomes hiphop?

It depends on who's doing and electro is fused with Hip Hop anyway.
I think History is repeating it's self and it's just our take on it.

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[Joe]

whens the rolex video out?

[EllaDecember]

A form of music from the united kingdom that originated from garage music, emphasizing spoken rhymes over heavily rhythmic backing tracks.
not my definition, one i found on the net... (is that good enough?)

[Grimes]

bumped it cah i felt like it

[Danny Trejo]

135-145 2/4 garage derivative with lower chord basslines, pace dictated by non-linear hi-hat and snare patterns.
None of this 70bpm synth plodding please.

[Quality Control]

..we should be more focused on grime becoming a culture/sub-culture like every other genre is, rather than a certain bpm.. to me Dizzee, Kano and Lethal are still grime MCs and will always be, because of their roots and being a part of the 'grime sub-culture'.. (whether i like their new hip-hop cross-over music or not)

..we can't just eject everyone who makes a cross-over track out of the scene.. what other genre does that!?

LOOOL at someone giving me bad rep saying "u dont no shit ur a retard" for this message

at least say it in the thread so i can see who it is

[Major]

its not fair that any type of music you 'rap' on gets called hiphop.