Positive Things The Scene Needs

[The Elijah]

More of.

New things.

Improvements..


Discuss, rather then state.

I will go first.

1. Grime events in all different areas, not just in the same place with the same people. Those are not spreading the music very well if they just stay in East London forever.

2. More DJs using a variety of methods to push the scene, whether thats radio and club djs like Vectra and Spyro or people like Aza T or mixtape DJs.

3. Producers that DJ. So they have an income stream, and can see what tunes work in clubs and what dont. They can break their own tunes instead of waiting on DJs to do it. Will help with the instrumental bootlegging as well.

4. Producers making albums, mixtapes, or coming out with some product. Look at all the rated producers, it seems like Skitz, Terror and Davinche are the only ones with CDs. Weird.


Thats it for now

(Thread idea did come from dubstepforum sorry)

[Steez]

The producer CD thing went downhill when Hard Days Graft came out ...

Producers SHOUDLN'T be making a CD anyway. They should just be on every artists CD, but being paid for the track.

[Wiz]

Producer CDs do not work because no one wants to hear the same producer for an hour really, especially in this scene where producers don't have much of a varying sound.

Also producers don't get performance money, MCs get known through releases and paid through performance, it can't work the same way for producers.

[The Elijah]

Producer CDs do not work because no one wants to hear the same producer for an hour really, especially in this scene where producers don't have much of a varying sound.

so ur sayin u cant listen 2 1 producer 4 an hour. wot does that say about the scene

[charma]

i really liked skitz's cd.

and i liked that smasher & lewi white cd with that mc on it...

haha.

[MedellinManDem]

Less hatred amongst artists. Everyone needs to work together...even if you're doing clashes at raves. Imagine BBK v Movement at Dirty Canvas as the headliner then suttin like Slew Dem as the warm up act. That would tear down DC.

Better standard of CDs. Two or three good tracks per song just is NOT making it.

More actual grime instrumentals. I'm talking about 140bpm shit that would get a rave poppin' off properly...

[MedellinManDem]

I remember Statix's swag CD. He started the floppage for producer CDs.

[Mc Shakespear]

Less hatred amongst artists. Everyone needs to work together...even if you're doing clashes at raves. Imagine BBK v Movement at Dirty Canvas as the headliner then suttin like Slew Dem as the warm up act. That would tear down DC.

Better standard of CDs. Two or three good tracks per song just is NOT making it.

More actual grime instrumentals. I'm talking about 140bpm shit that would get a rave poppin' off properly...

blood u said it all, some mans need to stop all the hatred and show love is the only way forward ...

[Steez]

so ur sayin u cant listen 2 1 producer 4 an hour. wot does that say about the scene
The producers are shit.

We need to view the scene from beyond the scene. There is no way anyone in the UK will ever be able to say Lewi White is even close to KanYe and Timbaland.

Then when you consider that even Timbaland's album got boring, a full Lewi White one will DEFINITELY be boring.

Artists need to show they can use different beats from different styles and vary stuff up for their albums. A 1 producer / 1 MC album is ALWAYS going to be shit.

Even if you put Dr Dre and Eminem back together for a whole album, it's gonna struggle and sound samey.

[Danny Trejo]

I'm going to be starting a night with a couple of mates in South when I move back down in a few months. Summertimes.

I agree with what you said like. Main problem with this scene is that it's full of kids really.

[Steez]

The main problem with the scene is that everyone is a selfish cunt.

[MedellinManDem]

Personally, I see BBK as the people behind all the hate.

[Wiz]

There is less hate between MCs than there used to be. Look at how many collaborations there are nowerdays compared to the old days.

['nuum general]

1. Grime events in all different areas, not just in the same place with the same people. Those are not spreading the music very well if they just stay in East London forever.

2. More DJs using a variety of methods to push the scene, whether thats radio and club djs like Vectra and Spyro or people like Aza T or mixtape DJs.

3. Producers that DJ. So they have an income stream, and can see what tunes work in clubs and what dont. They can break their own tunes instead of waiting on DJs to do it. Will help with the instrumental bootlegging as well.

4. Producers making albums, mixtapes, or coming out with some product. Look at all the rated producers, it seems like Skitz, Terror and Davinche are the only ones with CDs. Weird.

[/SIZE]

1) completely agree. I love going to raves but it cost me over £100 to reach the london ones. Need more in places like nottingham, birmingham, sheffield & leeds. I'm gonna be looking to organise a rave n hull or sheffield once i have saved up a bit more.

2) I think the djs are doing the most in the scene at the moment. If they keep up what their doing the scene will move forward

3) yes. This is where the scene has fallen back recently as in the past guys like skepta, pacman, bossman, danny weed ect dj'ed & produced. This is why dubstep is so strong imo

4) completely agree. Maybe concept albums from producers as well

[Steez]

Maybe concept albums from producers as well
Elaborate on this please. Although, if you're planning on saying anything about taking an idea to an MC for a track, try it yourself first and see what response you get.

['nuum general]

Elaborate on this please. Although, if you're planning on saying anything about taking an idea to an MC for a track, try it yourself first and see what response you get.

maybe for example a cd where the tracks all sample clips from a film or remixing another album. Something a bit different

[ZDOT]

the scene needs more fans, not waste mcs and producers who are just making grime sound shit. There alot of talent in the grime scene but theres not enough collaborations helping each other..

[charma]

i liked it back in the day with crews working together, not just mcs.

nasty, roll deep, crazy titch, stryder, all in one. ice rink sessions were mad.

[Wiz]

Even if you put Dr Dre and Eminem back together for a whole album, it's gonna struggle and sound samey.
No...just no (well you're entitled to your opinion but I disagree).

Dr Dre can (or could) make a whole album sound good from front to back (a la 2001) because he has a production team, it's not his sound over and over again, it's him and a team of at least 5 other people working on the music, composing and contributing to the finished product.

This is something people may want to look into in this scene, even if it's just a team of 2 producers, look at the hiphop/rnb producers: Neptunes, DarkChild, Underdogs, Cool & Dre, Three Six Mafia, Startrack, Aftermath.

*EDIT: whoops, meant StarGate (not StarTrack)

[charma]

No...just no (well you're entitled to your opinion but I disagree).

Dr Dre can (or could) make a whole album sound good from front to back (a la 2001) because he has a production team, it's not his sound over and over again, it's him and a team of at least 5 other people working on the music, composing and contributing to the finished product.

This is something people may want to look into in this scene, even if it's just a team of 2 producers, look at the hiphop/rnb producers: Neptunes, DarkChild, Underdogs, Cool & Dre, Three Six Mafia, Startrack, Aftermath.

agreed

[MedellinManDem]

There is less hate between MCs than there used to be. Look at how many collaborations there are nowerdays compared to the old days.

Collabos don't usually mean a lot you know. Most collabos are emcees laying down bars on different days anyway.

[SPOOKY DJ]

da pum pum riddim and stageshow sessions were crazy as well

i produce and dj and i love to drop my beats in with a waifer beat or a wiley riddim kno wot i mean? i done dat most of da short tym i wos on rinse..

if ne1 wants to witness new riddims come down chockablock its gonna b alot

elijah pm me bro

[Steez]

maybe for example a cd where the tracks all sample clips from a film or remixing another album. Something a bit different
I've had both of these ideas still, I get what you're saying now.

[MedellinManDem]

Also, I think the grime scene needs to define a common purpose. Is it about money, or is it about the music? The two major sides in the scene at the moment are showing us completely different ideas...BBK and its associates are the ones that only seem to care about money...The Movement and its associates only seem to care about making music for man to cut white to...

[charma]

The Movement and its associates only seem to care about making music for man to cut white to...

the movement dont really make gangster music though, nuffin compared roadside g's neway.

[Wiz]

Also, I think the grime scene needs to define a common purpose. Is it about money, or is it about the music? The two major sides in the scene at the moment are showing us completely different ideas...BBK and its associates are the ones that only seem to care about money...The Movement and its associates only seem to care about making music for man to cut white to...

It's never gonna be all about the music, unless you're rich and it's a passtime. People won't use up all their time on making music if it's not gonna get them anywhere. People want to be known for their music aswell and it's not gonna happen without money.

People need to get off this hype about people selling out, and only being in it for the money. The dream is to be famous, the dream is to be rich; the dream has never been about staying where you were 3 years ago and doing the same thing to cater for the same old people, it's about moving onwards and upwards.

[R.dot.Tubbs]

these type of threads are tedious

[Anonymous]

Producers Deserve More Money.

[Wiz]

Producers Deserve More Money.
Agreed.

[JACK]

these type of threads are tedious

.

ideas r sum times aite, bt who can show me an artist whos done wot forums were asking 4 (even if it was gd for him)?????? exactly......

[The Elijah]

Producers Deserve More Money.

dont state... expand on that.

why do they deserve more money, wen dey aint putting out product themselves? They dont break their tunes the MCs do.

The most played grime instrumental over the past year and a bit was rhythm and gash. does rebound x deserve loads of money?

['nuum general]

if producers wanna make more money they should release some vinyl/ digital releases

[MedellinManDem]

It's never gonna be all about the music, unless you're rich and it's a passtime. People won't use up all their time on making music if it's not gonna get them anywhere. People want to be known for their music aswell and it's not gonna happen without money.

People need to get off this hype about people selling out, and only being in it for the money. The dream is to be famous, the dream is to be rich; the dream has never been about staying where you were 3 years ago and doing the same thing to cater for the same old people, it's about moving onwards and upwards.

Nobody said nothing about selling out mate. There's no way I'd call Skepta a sell out. JME is shit, I don't care about him. Wiley and Skepta definitely have not sold out though.

[MedellinManDem]

dont state... expand on that.

why do they deserve more money, wen dey aint putting out product themselves? They dont break their tunes the MCs do.

The most played grime instrumental over the past year and a bit was rhythm and gash. does rebound x deserve loads of money?

He deserves whatever he deserves for that tune. Massive beat. Duppied DC down when Tempz was there.

[frankD]

Grime can't win like this.

[Steez]

if producers wanna make more money they should release some vinyl/ digital releases
Vinyl doesn't sell, purely and simply. Suggesting the same thing over and over won't change that. The idea of these threads is to present and suggest NEW ideas to improve upon the current problems.

[Grimes]

whats the point of discussion if nothing will happen. hangtite those who locked my thread and then bitch about the grime scene

[Anonymous]

dont state... expand on that.

why do they deserve more money, wen dey aint putting out product themselves? They dont break their tunes the MCs do.

The most played grime instrumental over the past year and a bit was rhythm and gash. does rebound x deserve loads of money?

LOL I Couldnt Really Be Bothered To Expand On It, But With What You've Said About MC's Breaking Their Tunes, Are You Questioning The Matter Or Stating They Dont Deserve Money?
I Got Myself Confused Now.

[frankD]

The reason why the scene is shit is because people wanna out MONEY over MUSIC.

People wanna rape this music for everything they can.

Dubstep started on a loss. Nights which no one went to.

Dizzee wasn't thinking money he was thinking music.

When Dizzee blew, people wanted that money.
There decisons have been money bias.

People don't need to live of grime.

Even the top boys don't deserve to be full time, they should be part time till they get deals.

People think they are bigger and better than they are.

Ghetto, Wiley etc, no different to any rock band touring all the London pubs looking for that deal. They both have fan bases prob the same size, myspace friends etc.

[Steez]

whats the point of discussion if nothing will happen. hangtite those who locked my thread and then bitch about the grime scene
Nothing revolutionary really happens. Plus, we're lazy and this forum usescolour psychology against us.

['nuum general]

Vinyl doesn't sell, purely and simply. Suggesting the same thing over and over won't change that. The idea of these threads is to present and suggest NEW ideas to improve upon the current problems.

it doesn't sell because they don't release it. They could always do a legal download on duplate.net or something.

[Steez]

it doesn't sell because they don't release it. They could always do a legal download on duplate.net or something.
Go speak to a few of the guys who run labels star. They stopped because with each release the numbers they were shifting was lowering until it wasn't worth doing it.

dubplate.net is good in theory ... but it takes a VERY long time to get stuff on there sometimes.

Grime heads need to put their music EVERYWHERE not just at this place, or that place. They need it in both places and more!

[Selenki jj]

da scene lacks gashes / zumpi / gyl / dirty 30s / naughty lases / females / yats /

alie ???????

[Grimes]

there needs to be a paradigm shift in the scene in order to prosper

[frankD]

da scene lacks gashes / zumpi / gyl / dirty 30s / naughty lases / females / yats /

alie ???????

real talk.

This is like a gay man convention, like bare guys drool over some man on stage with a mic.

Fuck whos on stage id dont matter, shoot the mc tell the dj to play slow jamz and draw for the pie and gash

[Anonymous]

da scene lacks gashes / zumpi / gyl / dirty 30s / naughty lases / females / yats /

alie ???????

No. That Post.
Just No.

[Selenki jj]

bruv i swere dwn ive bin all da bait grime raves and da ratios always like 15 man to every 1 chick its a parrr

[JACK]

goin grime raves 2 draw gash is a par

[Grimes]

its pissed

[frankD]

Some fat cunteNO

[Selenki jj]

ders nuffin to draw bk in da day pureeee sexyyyy tings wer reaching sidewinder eskimo dance an dat

[frankD]

Trick the girls, like says Usher is doing a secret gig init.

and then have all rnb and some man comes on stage saying this is Ushers warm up set.

and then have tempz come on stage and the girls will get smacked on the head and then done good.

['nuum general]

the only way your gonna get girls at a grime night is to have a couple of garage/funky house djs or to let them in free

[Grimes]

What grime tracks are aimed at females?

[frankD]

the only way your gonna get girls at a grime night is to have a couple of garage/funky house djs or to let them in free

Fuck Free, you would prob have to pay them to come.

[frankD]

What grime tracks are aimed at females?

Pow

['nuum general]

What grime tracks are aimed at females?

way down the road

[charma]

way down the road

ahahaha

[charma]

What grime tracks are aimed at females?

im sure some tracks girls could listen to..

erm..

if only you believed by chipmunk

cold turkey by skepta

yeah im strugglin a lil bit.

[JACK]

im sure some tracks girls could listen to..

erm..

if only you believed by chipmunk

cold turkey by skepta

yeah im strugglin a lil bit.

a lil bit yh looooool

bt wot grime tunes were aimed at females bk then??? nt so much neither

[Steez]

All the old DaVinChe and Katie Pearl stuff drew gash
Fallin' (Wifey Riddim)

[MedellinManDem]

Grime does lack girls still. All it seems to have is groupies.

[Wiz]

Aggro - Free Yard, and Wifey Riddim, has shown that if you aim a song at girls it will get much better reception then aiming it at mandem. So yes, aiming tunes at girls works, but then it becomes "not grimey enough", so...... (well really I have nothing to say).

I think the best way to get approval from both genres, and push the scene forward is to make tunes able for the club.....and by club I do not mean a grime rave, I mean rap/rnb raves, something that people who listen to rap, rnb and dancehall could vybe to, and erm....dance to (of course).

[Grimes]

according to logan sama , wifey riddim wasn't grime

[Demos]

wifey riddim wasn't grime
.

['nuum general]

I think the best way to get approval from both genres, and push the scene forward is to make tunes able for the club.....and by club I do not mean a grime rave, I mean rap/rnb raves, something that people who listen to rap, rnb and dancehall could vybe to, and erm....dance to (of course).

I think that would be very difficult to achieve for the majority of emcees. i think there is more chance of alienating both audiences rather than been successful in both. I guess its what kano is going to attempt now he's a free agent again.

also a recent(ish) grime track that might appeals to girls: Seb Zero - Friends (prod. by Target)

[Steez]

according to logan sama , wifey riddim wasn't grime
Why? Because he asked for it exclusive and didn't get it, or was there an actual reason?

[Pred]

Grime is a scene that was formed because of, and thrives on, anger underneath it all. That right there is a huge limiting factor. Grime is the Sith that killed the Jedi that was UK Garage. Fuck knows why I just pulled a Star Wars analogy out of thin air, but oh well. An angry scene will only ever produce a couple of tunes that attract girls to raves. The 15:1 ratios are inevitable when the top flight of MCs includes Skepta, Ghetto and P Money.

There needs to be more producers with different styles. Will someone please revive Youngstar (pun not intended, wonder if anyone gets it), Alias, Bigshot and DJ Oddz? Thanks in advance.

The other big thing is that there's no business model that is being followed. That's why it's a shambles from a business perspective.

[Steez]

There needs to be more producers with different styles. Will someone please revive Youngstar (pun not intended, wonder if anyone gets it), Alias, Bigshot and DJ Oddz? Thanks in advance.

The other big thing is that there's no business model that is being followed. That's why it's a shambles from a business perspective.
LOL @ the Revival thing, I got it straight off

Alias, went AWOL

Big$hot went to do commercial stuff, spoke to him about 4 weeks ago and he's on the bassline thing now, T2 styles

Oddz went to religion

Virgo was sick, he went to bassline

DaVinChe has gone to housier stuff



All the big, big grime producers have lef - and I imagine it's all for the same reason, money - simply because as a producer, there isn't any/much

[Wiz]

Isn't heavy metal rock all about anger?......

Anyhow

according to logan sama , wifey riddim wasn't grime
Logan Sama says a lot of things, a lot of them seem truthful ..... but Wifey Riddim is definitely grime, just because it sounds different and takes a different angle you can't deny it, it's part of the scene.

[Demos]

wifey riddim sounds like a hip hop beat to me

[Retrofreak]

Every scene or genre has different styles with in it that draw different people.

If we only have angry hype,then that will only attract that type of audience.

Grime needs to broaden it's horizons or remain niche to the point where MC's will leave to pursue a wider fan bass "wearing my rolex style".

[Steez]

wifey riddim sounds like a hip hop beat to me
So does a lot of other grime.

[Retrofreak]

wifey riddim sounds like a hip hop beat to me

True,

but so do quite a few beats on FOS.
I think theses tracks still constitute as grime because they were broken through are scene imo.

[Demos]

So does a lot of other grime.

:yes:

['nuum general]

True,

but so do quite a few beats on FOS.
I think theses tracks still constitute as grime because they were broken through are scene imo.

yes, but i think they sound alright, no pitched up vocal samples or anything

[Pred]

LOL @ the Revival thing, I got it straight off

Alias, went AWOL

Big$hot went to do commercial stuff, spoke to him about 4 weeks ago and he's on the bassline thing now, T2 styles

Oddz went to religion

Virgo was sick, he went to bassline

DaVinChe has gone to housier stuff



All the big, big grime producers have lef - and I imagine it's all for the same reason, money - simply because as a producer, there isn't any/much

I forgot about Virgo and Davinche...

I swear it's either gonna be spitting over shit Bless Beats instrumentals or an a capella genre soon...every time I think about production 3-4 years ago vs now I think "When did Grime lose its style?"

You can't really mix Grime anymore either...remember when you could drop a sample in a mix and the hype would rise instantly?


yes, but i think they sound alright, no pitched up vocal samples or anythingPitched up samples got old very fucking quickly. They should be banned.

[Demos]

True,

but so do quite a few beats on FOS.
I think theses tracks still constitute as grime because they were broken through are scene imo.

interesting point.
but i'm afraid i disagree.
its like saying: Wretch 32-punctuation is grime.
from when the beat is definitely not grime, then i wont consider it grime

[Demos]

every time I think about production 3-4 years ago vs now I think "When did Grime lose its style?"


my EXACT thoughts

[Steez]

I forgot about Virgo and Davinche...

I swear it's either gonna be spitting over shit Bless Beats instrumentals or an a capella genre soon...every time I think about production 3-4 years ago vs now I think "When did Grime lose its style?"

You can't really mix Grime anymore either...remember when you could drop a sample in a mix and the hype would rise instantly?

Pitched up samples got old very fucking quickly. They should be banned.
It lost it's style when the guys making it were paying money to buy soundcards and speakers and getting fuck all in return, even if they laced up a banger.

And pitched up samples can be OK, if done right. A lot of the Lowdeep stuff still sounds sick.

[Retrofreak]

interesting point.
but i'm afraid i disagree.
its like saying: Wretch 32-punctuation is grime.
from when the beat is definitely not grime, then i wont consider it grime

Wretch 32 is a Hip Hop artist in a Grime crew imo.

There's not much true Grime around at the moment anyway.
I think with the exception of BBK it pretty much sounds like Hip Hop now.

You can separate the culture from the actual sound.

BIDC was a Grime album with Hip Hop based singles, but Dizzee still spat Grime culture over those beats, so I class him as I Grime artist overall.

[Demos]

Wretch 32 is a Hip Hop artist in a Grime crew imo.

There's not much true Grime around at the moment anyway.
I think with the exception of BBK it pretty much sounds like Hip Hop now.

You can separate the culture from the actual sound.

BIDC was a Grime album with Hip Hop based singles, but Dizzee still spat Grime culture over those beats, so I class him as I Grime artist overall.

yeah i see what ur saying.

[Steez]

BIDC was a Grime album with Hip Hop based singles, but Dizzee still spat Grime culture over those beats, so I class him as I Grime artist overall.
Interesting. I would have said the opposite, if the track is 110bpm and sound like Hip Hop then it's Hip Hop. But I'm gonna think it over.

[Retrofreak]

Interesting. I would have said the opposite, if the track is 110bpm and sound like Hip Hop then it's Hip Hop. But I'm gonna think it over.

Hip Hop hasn't got a specific tempo because it rides any genre it wants even 140 Bpm and beyond.

Hip Hop has ran threw the below and continues to fester like the tapeworm she is lol.

Hip House
Disco
Electro
Funk
Jazz
Reggae
Rock
Soul
Classical

[Demos]

Hip Hop hasn't got a specific tempo because it rides any genre it wants even 140 Bpm and beyond.

Hip Hop has ran threw the below and continues to fester like the tapeworm she is lol.

Hip House
Disco
Electro
Funk
Jazz
Reggae
Rock
Soul
Classical

LMAO that made me laugh

[Pred]

It lost it's style when the guys making it were paying money to buy soundcards and speakers and getting fuck all in return, even if they laced up a banger.

And pitched up samples can be OK, if done right. A lot of the Lowdeep stuff still sounds sick.

Let me rephrase :)

If you aren't Lowdeep or someone with equal production power (read: not an average Joe with a torrented/Rapidshared program...or even well known, you need to be one of them next-level producers like Davinche, etc), using pitched up samples may or may not get you shot.

[Technician]

Hip Hop hasn't got a specific tempo because it rides any genre it wants even 140 Bpm and beyond.

Hip Hop has ran threw the below and continues to fester like the tapeworm she is lol.

Hip House
Disco
Electro
Funk
Jazz
Reggae
Rock
Soul
Classical

abit off topic but i just clocked that ur avatar is kraftwerk lol was that from the live performance on mtv btw?

[Retrofreak]

abit off topic but i just clocked that ur avatar is kraftwerk lol was that from the live performance on mtv btw?

It's from 2005 MINIMUM - MAXIMUM Tour

[RIP Jakey]

interesting point.
but i'm afraid i disagree.
its like saying: Wretch 32-punctuation is grime.
from when the beat is definitely not grime, then i wont consider it grime

Sometimes i wonder what Wretch thinks he's doing, he's known in grime but makes hip hop. UK Hip Hop heads won't like him because he makes shit hip hop, Grime heads don't like him because he makes shit hip hop, what is he doing making shit Hip Hop?

(he's been dead to me since him and scorcher spat on 140 like it was 70)

[Jae Dave]

fair point though...'punctuation' and 'wifey riddim' aint grime really at all (tempo wise) i guess ive just sorta classed it as grime without realising it lol!

grime artists and producers do deserve more money but the only way to gettin those P's is to go commercial in the UK or most places really, sad but true!

[Nine Bar]

and it seems the only way 2 go commercial is 2 show that u do grime but can also spit over other tempos, kano has proved this, dizze has proved this, tinchy has, wiley has

grime wont get man a mortgage, so wt do u expect them 2 do

[Wiz]

You can't define grime by it's tempo, that would be limiting the possibilities.
If you listen to 'Punctuation' without considering the tempo it sounds like grime. Just because 'Wifey Riddim' doesn't have a gritty sound to it, it doesn't mean you can cast it off into some other genre because your opinion is only hype tracks deserve to be in the genre.

[Demos]

You can't define grime by it's tempo, that would be limiting the possibilities.
If you listen to 'Punctuation' without considering the tempo it sounds like grime. Just because 'Wifey Riddim' doesn't have a gritty sound to it, it doesn't mean you can cast it off into some other genre because your opinion is only hype tracks deserve to be in the genre.

nah its not coz its not hype, when i listen to the beat its just a standard hip hop beat, theres nothing grime about it what so ever
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['nuum general]

the tempo is grime

the drum pattern isn't grime

it has no sub bass

the only thing grimey about this is the background of the people who made/vocalled it

[Wiz]

OK just checked and the tempo is pretty much 140.
The drum pattern is grime, listen to the 'I'm Chipmunk' beat and tell me it isn't the same jus with a few more kicks.....or is that what defines a grime drum pattern from a hiphop one? a few more kicks?

The thing is it sounds less like hiphop than normal grime does, I really don't see where you guys are coming from.....the only thing I could say is the high pitched vocal sample is a trait of Dipset-like hiphop, but it isn't even used in the same way.

[Retrofreak]

Can someone please show me what a grime drum pattern is I'm interested??.

[Demos]

Can someone please show me what a grime drum pattern is I'm interested??.

there isnt one.
but most tracks tend to have half-step drum patterns which imo can make it sound like hip hop.
i'd prefer ppl to start making 2-step grime again

[Retrofreak]

there isnt one.
but most tracks tend to have half-step drum patterns which imo can make it sound like hip hop.
i'd prefer ppl to start making 2-step grime again

^^^^Agreed

could you post your example of a classic 2 step grime beat?

[Wiz]

^^^^Agreed

could you post your example of a classic 2 step grime beat?

Look up any Alias song.

[Steez]

^^^^Agreed

could you post your example of a classic 2 step grime beat?
2 secs and I'll make some examples

[Demos]

^^^^Agreed

could you post your example of a classic 2 step grime beat?

http://www.mediafire.com/?yicmlsxujtm

[Retrofreak]

http://www.mediafire.com/?yicmlsxujtm

OK,

So drum pattern wise do you mean more like dancehall and this??

utC80Mr0TJE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utC80Mr0TJE

[Eric Cantona]

Bring Back Demon!

[TRU_G]

I have said what I am about to say in abou 15 different threads, on about 4 different forums, and nobody has ever commented on it, so I'm going to put it simply for you

GRIME NEEDS A RECORD LABEL

A decent record label which is suited to release GRIME,

-Not like Eskibeat, which has released nothing
-Not like BBK, which only releases their own music

A label not run by an artist, which releases everything which fans want to be released, in a variety of formats (Vinyl, CD & MP3)

A label which doesn't release sub-standard songs by people just because they're already big in the scene (like how you would rather listen to someone like Rude Kid or Skeamz best ever track than something Wiley knocks out in 5 minutes)

I so badly want to set up a label just because:
-t would be beneficial to the scene
-mre music will get released,
-t is a way for new artists to get their name about
-it would bring back vinyl
-it would be a way for producers to get money

Too much music goes unreleased, and lost forever

Plus, if there was a big label which specialises in grime, people wouldnt have to commercialise to get money from their music

This is what needs to be done, I would do it but don't have the funds, if anyone has got the moeny and wants to go in to business talk to me

Looking at other scenes like Dubstep (closest genre to Grime) do you realise what a profound impact certain labels (Hyperdub, DMZ, Deep Medi) have?

DMZ for example has only had 13 vinyl releases (two track each side) but you have people buying all their records even if they don't like the tunes, thats how important that label is. Original presses of the 1st 3 records go for £70 each

[Demos]

OK,

So drum pattern wise do you mean more like dancehall and this??

utC80Mr0TJE

LOOL

timbaland's been making "grimey" beats for time.

"In an interview with Missy Elliott in RayGun Magazine, he mentioned a diverse base of influences, from UK Drum and Bass to Garage."

[Mc Shakespear]

the scene needs Mc's that talk scence, not just some any guys who talks bout

clashing and violence all the time ,,,

i dont want anyone to tell me , (oh they just saying what they are going through) we need club bangers an so on

no long

[Steez]

I have said what I am about to say in abou 15 different threads, on about 4 different forums, and nobody has ever commented on it, so I'm going to put it simply for you

GRIME NEEDS A RECORD LABEL

A decent record label which is suited to release GRIME,

-Not like Eskibeat, which has released nothing
-Not like BBK, which only releases their own music

A label not run by an artist, which releases everything which fans want to be released, in a variety of formats (Vinyl, CD & MP3)

A label which doesn't release sub-standard songs by people just because they're already big in the scene (like how you would rather listen to someone like Rude Kid or Skeamz best ever track than something Wiley knocks out in 5 minutes)

I so badly want to set up a label just because:
-t would be beneficial to the scene
-mre music will get released,
-t is a way for new artists to get their name about
-it would bring back vinyl
-it would be a way for producers to get money

Too much music goes unreleased, and lost forever

Plus, if there was a big label which specialises in grime, people wouldnt have to commercialise to get money from their music

This is what needs to be done, I would do it but don't have the funds, if anyone has got the moeny and wants to go in to business talk to me

Looking at other scenes like Dubstep (closest genre to Grime) do you realise what a profound impact certain labels (Hyperdub, DMZ, Deep Medi) have?

DMZ for example has only had 13 vinyl releases (two track each side) but you have people buying all their records even if they don't like the tunes, thats how important that label is. Original presses of the 1st 3 records go for £70 each
I feel you

BUT

Have you spoken to artists recently?



The main problem in my eyes is that the artists have come to believe that they all need their own labels and have to release everything themselves to get that extra little bit of cash.

A lot of producers and artists won't work with others and split the cash simply because they see it as losing cash, they don't look at the long term benefits of a working partnership and the fact that if you split the workload you can actually get more done.

[TRU_G]

The main problem in my eyes is that the artists have come to believe that they all need their own labels and have to release everything themselves to get that extra little bit of cash.

A lot of producers and artists won't work with others and split the cash simply because they see it as losing cash, they don't look at the long term benefits of a working partnership and the fact that if you split the workload you can actually get more done.

That is why you need sufficient funds to set up the labe, to offer the artist something worthwhile for putting out their music

[Steez]

That is why you need sufficient funds to set up the labe, to offer the artist something worthwhile for putting out their music
Even then, the artist will look at it like, wow, the labels taking a cut, if I do it myself, I get the lot.

Trust, these guys don't wanna lose a penny, and eventually (well, pretty much already) it will be their fall.

[Demos]

I so badly want to set up a label, but dont have the money


.

[frankD]

People like to think grime is the next big thing.

But it was the next big thing, but it did not become the next big thing so now its just a has been seen.

Grime and UKHH is the same, not musically but how the scene works.
Ive been following the UKHH scene for nearly 8 years and it has the same troubles.
UKHH has never blown and neither will grime. Its just not cool.

['nuum general]

i agree with Tru G 110%

[Retrofreak]

LOOL

timbaland's been making "grimey" beats for time.

"In an interview with Missy Elliott in RayGun Magazine, he mentioned a diverse base of influences, from UK Drum and Bass to Garage."

^^^^True,

But these guys where doing these beats before Garage.

2 step beats drew influence from New Jack Swing from guy's like Teddy Riley and Devante Swing(who Timbaland worked under)

Drum and Bass drum programing came out of old skool Hip Hop also.

[Mc Shakespear]

Even then, the artist will look at it like, wow, the labels taking a cut, if I do it myself, I get the lot.

Trust, these guys don't wanna lose a penny, and eventually (well, pretty much already) it will be their fall.

fam i hear wat u saying , it makes scence , but check this i am up an cuming myself in this scene,

but if a lebel takes a cut , i will not mind because music is business, sum guys need to think about the future not just to make quick cash/.. u get me

[Demos]

^^^^True,

But these guys where doing these beats before Garage.

2 step beats drew influence from New Jack Swing from guy's like Teddy Riley and Devante Swing(who Timbaland worked under)

Drum and Bass drum programing came out of old skool Hip Hop also.

true.

[itshellz]

That is why you need sufficient funds to set up the labe, to offer the artist something worthwhile for putting out their music

This is something i have been interested in for a long time , setting up a professional record label with a pure grime focus - have attempted it on a small scale , so , give me a pm.

sfe g

['nuum general]

if a lebel takes a cut , i will not mind because music is business, sum guys need to think about the future not just to make quick cash/.. u get me

real talk. Short term-ism is predominant in grime. People are to busy thinking how they can make £100 today rather than a couple of grand in a year

[Danny Trejo]

tunecore.com gets songs onto itunes cheap as fuck,
Boomkat.com for 320s/wav files.
Grime annoys the fuck out of me you know.

[Demos]

if a lebel takes a cut , i will not mind because music is business, sum guys need to think about the future not just to make quick cash/.. u get mereal talk. Short term-ism is predominant in grime. People are to busy thinking how they can make £100 today rather than a couple of grand in a year

.

[TRU_G]

Even then, the artist will look at it like, wow, the labels taking a cut, if I do it myself, I get the lot.

Trust, these guys don't wanna lose a penny, and eventually (well, pretty much already) it will be their fall.

I can see what you mean but I think you are taking a pessimistic view, not all scene heads are like that

There is plenty of people in the scene who would love to be paid to put their music out, the alternative for them is that it sits as a Cubase file on there PC forever

[Mc Shakespear]

I can see what you mean but I think you are taking a pessimistic view, not all scene heads are like that

There is plenty of people in the scene who would love to be paid to put their music out, the alternative for them is that it sits as a Cubase file on there PC forever

true

but if they were motivated and love music, they will defo find ways to get heard, u get me , i know is not easy but

people are always open to new sounds, so my advice to who ever thinks they need money to get heard or get there songs out there is , this is why they call it grime,,,, u hav to stay on your grind no long ,


promote ur music an then get notice, and after labels an money will come through..

[Retrofreak]

Before I'd look at making a label,
I'd concentrate on trying to consolidate an already fragmented underground scene so you have a fanbase to sell to.

The constant genre splitting and lack of clubs is making an already insular scene smaller.
Were cutting box rooms in half instead of expanding.

If I was an investor I wouldn't invest until I could see some clear way of getting a return.

1. Girls buy records and a lot of current grime does not appeal to them.
2. The perceived violence will stop big clubs from holding consistant raves.
3. The poor song-writing prevents consistent daytime radio play.
4. Bootlegging is on the rise and vinyl is on the way out!

[Fewie]

how much does it cost to start a record label?

[Retrofreak]

how much does it cost to start a record label?

What every money your prepared to lose.

['nuum general]

how much does it cost to start a record label?

next to nothing, if you set up as a sole trader then there are few costs incurred in setting up the label. getting a release out would cost maybe £500-£800 (estimated) taking into account pressing costs & promotion depending how many your pressing.

Organisation & planning are the key

[Steez]

I can see what you mean but I think you are taking a pessimistic view, not all scene heads are like that

There is plenty of people in the scene who would love to be paid to put their music out, the alternative for them is that it sits as a Cubase file on there PC forever
Like I said, have you actually literally approached these artists and offered such services?

I have, and the response I got was shit. They either wanted shit doing for free, or a tiny, tiny percentage which didn't make it worthwhile.

[The Elijah]

how much does it cost to start a record label?

how long is a piece of string.

we do need a couple of strong labels to push this. On an indie level of course. dont worry about day time playlisting, mtv base and channel u. Look at someone like Benga. If a grime producers was enjoying his success now people would wake up a bit to what is really important.

Consistent releases.
Frequent releases.
In the club as much as possible. Performing. Getting the music out their to your core audience and new audiences.
Quality DJs around you pushing the music.
Effective distribution here and in Europe. In a mixture of formats.

[The Elijah]

3 years later

[Pred]

lol @ me not reading the dates and coming across posts I made 3 years ago

Grime is still in identity crisis. Doesn't know what it wants to do, although the new wave of producers is a step in the right direction.

[Eric Cantona]

Bring Back Demon!

3 years and nothing!

[Pred]

Chronic is out of prison at the moment, so Demon's got no chance.

[00GRiME00]

the bigger artists need to tell thier fans about things like logans show, grimeforum, grimedaily.
the more eyes and ears we have on the real griem scene the better.

new mc's need to realise grime aint just about shank shank bang bang, reelase grime singles/songs with different content. all this gun talk makes grime look bad in 2011.

[Quality Control]

i think everyone needs to stop being so shit. that would be a change for the better

[Andre]

good to see elijah's bumped another one of his old threads so we can all see how much butterz have done for the scene.

[Boris Bowser]

not enough Big H

[Blimey]

the bigger artists need to tell thier fans about things like logans show, grimeforum, grimedaily.
the more eyes and ears we have on the real griem scene the better.

new mc's need to realise grime aint just about shank shank bang bang, reelase grime singles/songs with different content. all this gun talk makes grime look bad in 2011.

Exactly, otherwise all this mainstream business is just a money making exercise, should have always been about spreading the sound.

[Retrofreak]

i think everyone needs to stop being so shit. that would be a change for the better

.

[00GRiME00]

Exactly, otherwise all this mainstream business is just a money making exercise, should have always been about spreading the sound.

pretty much.

[JamesC]

For people to move on from old mc's who couldnt give a fuck for the scene anymore, and support the young mc's

[Jay-S]

Grime needs to stop looking for mainstream recognition. I couldn't care less whos on the panel.

If you want money so bad, get some qualifications instead of watering down the music that brought you up and made you who you are.

[Quality Control]

grime and hip-hop that is specifically crafted with selling units in mind is just inherently shit. there is virtually no overlap between the ability to create good grime/hip-hop and the ability to create good pop. you're likely to have more success just keeping it real and doing what comes natural to you -- i may be overly idealistic but i think good music usually prevails. look at pow, look at boy in da corner, look at pass out, look at next hype. now look at london town, lipsin ting and all that other sell-out shit. even when emcees do have some degree of success with pop it's fleeting because it's just so disposable. when your primary focus is just putting out quality music you at least build yourself a loyal fanbase to fall back on and establish yourself as someone who can't be replaced by the next flavour of the month.

making music is supposed to be catharsis, approaching it with ulterior motives is bound to suck the life out of it.

basically, emcees should stop being short-sighted, dignity lacking morons.

[Dan-91]

grime and hip-hop that is specifically crafted with selling units in mind is just inherently shit. there is virtually no overlap between the ability to create good grime/hip-hop and the ability to create good pop. you're likely to have more success just keeping it real and doing what comes natural to you -- i may be overly idealistic but i think good music usually prevails. look at pow, look at boy in da corner, look at pass out, look at next hype. now look at london town, lipsin ting and all that other sell-out shit. even when emcees do have some degree of success with pop it's fleeting because it's just so disposable. when your primary focus is just putting out quality music you at least build yourself a loyal fanbase to fall back on and establish yourself as someone who can't be replaced by the next flavour of the month.

making music is supposed to be catharsis, approaching it with ulterior motives is bound to suck the life out of it.

basically, emcees should stop being short-sighted, dignity lacking morons.

c/s, very strong post.

[Jay-S]

Some of the singles put out from mainstream mcs have been tragic. But they're getting success because they are tragic mcs who naturally make that garbage. I semi-respect them for keeping it real but I think lowly of them for using grime as a stepping stone.

Fair enough you might be like roll deep and get a brief moment in the spotlight but it's evident that true grime mcs cant "succeed" with pop. Grime MCs will only succeed with grime. Grime got them in the position they're in and built their music careers.