Problem With Grime Productions

[D-Structo]

Now I been making beats for a little and even in terms of mixdowns i see weakness and this also applies to BIG producers in the scene.

In my eyes mixdowns are VERY important when it comes to a good tune.

Now recently i connnected my stereo speakers to my pc as well as monitors..... the amount of beats that sound shit on my speakers is mad. PC speakers will make stuff sound normal but on stereo speakers its a whole different thing.
I feel people are so use to making music on pc's and hearing them on the pc they forgot it should be sounding good on everything and this is why grime is being held back. People need to be pushing the barriers.

So far the people i can say whos mixdowns are very good **from listening on both stereo & monitors and both comin out on point**

Are :- DVA, Delerious, Shotz **Couple Tunes**, Virgo & Also True Tiger... dere mixdowns are just ina league of there own... very professional.

I think this is a big weak point within the genre.

Me myself i got ALOT to work on mixdown wise. But I feel this one thing could improve the scene so much.

[Demos]

true....

[Alias?]

If something is gettin released, at least on vinyl, it should be professionally mastered STANDARD. but i dont think this is the biggest problem production wise right now tbh.

[adidasgrandad]

also,a little off topic, alot of beginners believe grime is what you hear through the tinny pc speakers. to proper understand how grime should be made you need to hear it loud in a club or in a car or something where you can feel it proper.

[Demos]

is it possible to achieve a good mixdown through decent headphones?? coz right now thats what i make all my music with, cant afford monitors

[Odotkae]

Mix-Downs R Crucial! Had Certain Beats Dat Sounded Live When I Got Dem. Took Them 2 Studio 2 Vocal & Was PISSSED! lol

[Alias?]

Best thing to do if you cant afford monitors is to do a beat as normal. Then take it to nearest sound control or somethin and listen to it on some FLAT monitors. This way you can work out what frequencies your headphones are strong / weak at. Then you can make a beat as normal but then tweak the mix finally accordingly ( it may sound off key on your system then but more likely to be on point on a rig). If its gettin released th it should really be mixed down by a professional.

[Hij]

also,a little off topic, alot of beginners believe grime is what you hear through the tinny pc speakers. to proper understand how grime should be made you need to hear it loud in a club or in a car or something where you can feel it proper.

Its not really offtopic and its a good point, it has to sound on point everywhere.

[D-Structo]

at first when i was listenin 2 da grime beats thru my stereo speakers... man was thinkin my speakers was broke da way da tunes was soundin.

Then i put ona daft punk tune.

Realised my speakers was workin perfectly fine.

This is why form now on im gonna try my mixdowns so dey sound perfect on 3 different things before i give dem out (monitors, speakers, Headphones)

[Alias?]

Thing is bare productions that sound flat on proper monitors will sound perfect on a rig (that is usually made bass heavy). It is important to understand what how your speakers and monitors are compared to flat reproduction.

[Baybee-T]

When your mixing a track ALWAYS MIX IN DECENT HEAD PHONES!! THATS AN ALWAYS.. GIVES YOU THE FEEL OF THE PANNING.. THEN PLAY IT IN ABOUT 3 DIFF KINDS OF SPEAKERS AKA IN THE STUDIO SPEAKERS UR COMPUTER SPEAKERS. YOUR CD PLAYER YOUR IPOD . YOUR CAR. FOR EXAMPLE, CHECK OUT THE SOUNDS.. SEE WHAT IT SOUNDS BETTER ON.. IF YOU HEAR ANY HISSING WHEN YOU PUT YOUR TRACK ON A DECENT PAIR OF SPEAKERS THEN YOUR NOT MIXING TO A PROFESH LEVEL.. AND YOU DON'T NEED A STUDIO TO GET A PROFESH SOUND!

[Baybee-T]

Sorry about the caps i wanted to get a point across :D

[Jay05]

the levels of dubstep mastering>>>>>>>>>> the levels in grime mastering

[Baybee-T]

isit me of does so much grime now sound distorted? I dunno if the artist or producer wanted that sort of sound but i dunno lol

[D-Structo]

isit me of does so much grime now sound distorted? I dunno if the artist or producer wanted that sort of sound but i dunno lol

yeah it is... also sounds hollow.

[Demos]

the levels of dubstep mastering and production>>>>>>>>>> the levels in grime mastering and production

^^real talk

[TRU_G]

Don't forget tho people if you are listening to MP3's you may have your problem right there

Bare people think there is no difference between an 192 & a 320...take your 192 to a club and see what happens

[Baybee-T]

Don't forget tho people if you are listening to MP3's you may have your problem right there

Bare people think there is no difference between an 192 & a 320...take your 192 to a club and see what happens

WAV WILL ALWAYS SOUND BETTER THEN MP3 BECAUSE MP3 GETS COMPRESSED ALOT

[SHOKK]

WAV WILL ALWAYS SOUND BETTER THEN MP3 BECAUSE MP3 GETS COMPRESSED ALOT Just like forum messages will get better across without caps lock.

[Miyagi Dan]

this is a very good point

the amount of times i made a beat finkin it sounds punchy in studio, then play it in my car wiv a sub an it sounds weak

a thing i noticed in grime is alot of things (mainly drums) get ova compressed an sound flat, also too much or the wrong sort of reverb can dead the energy of a tune diffrently

[SHOKK]

I always listen to my beats on my standard set of speakers, my high-end headphones and the Creative headset I use for my MP3 player. I used to use some fucked up old computer speakers too, but they don't work anymore.

[Technician]

Just like forum messages will get better across without caps lock.

lol

[Alias?]

WAV WILL ALWAYS SOUND BETTER THEN MP3 BECAUSE MP3 GETS COMPRESSED ALOT

How you gonna be mastering an mp3? or a wav?
Surely you do your mixdown in sequencer?

[Pred]

WAV WILL ALWAYS SOUND BETTER THEN MP3 BECAUSE MP3 GETS COMPRESSED ALOT

Forget all caps. Anyway, dun kno the FLACspace. Need to own terabytes for that sort of shit though.

After V4 VBR, it becomes transparent, which means you can't hear the differences. Clubs may show the difference, but who's done tests on systems that big?

[Technician]

Forget all caps. Anyway, dun kno the FLACspace. Need to own terabytes for that sort of shit though.

After V4 VBR, it becomes transparent, which means you can't hear the differences. Clubs may show the difference, but who's done tests on systems that big?

i had this booking in dec and i playd silencers world war tune wich contains bait sounds but the mixdown was big and it was just a mp3

[Pred]

The thing is, it's a bigger system, but the quality is related to the [forgotten the term] sound range and artifacts. If it's good enough quality for human ears, whether it's loud or quiet then the sound will be the same quality-wise.

But regardless, put the work in and make quality tunes.

[The Elijah]

terras mixdowns are good

[Wiz]

JME has good mixdowns, but yeah, grime productions are lacking good mixdowns, I personally need to brush up my skills on that stuff

[adidasgrandad]

may be a stupid question but how should a good mixdown sound like?

[Wiz]

may be a stupid question but how should a good mixdown sound like?

should sound clear, erm.... it's easier to compare two mixdowns of the same song to show what is a good mixdown really

[The Elijah]

listen 2 pulse x

den listen any tune of axiom

[adidasgrandad]

ok i see safe

[Grimes]

shame about the beats still

[*Layzie*]

and another problem i fink is
Most grime producers make tunes on fruity
Fruity has the worst quality.
But its still my favourite producing program

[Technician]

and another problem i fink is
Most grime producers make tunes on fruity
Fruity has the worst quality.
But its still my favourite producing program

ever heard of exporting 2 wav and mixing down in cubase

[Wiz]

makes no difference using fruity or cubase to mix down if you have the right plugins

[*Layzie*]

ever heard of exporting 2 wav and mixing down in cubase

Thats long
I bet most ppl aint botherd to do that.


And yh i know if u have rite plugins u can mixdown nicely but still suttin bout fruity makes it sounds shit
Its a cheap software anyway so no big deal.

[Miyagi Dan]

Thats long
I bet most ppl aint botherd to do that.




it is worth doin still pretty much all producers i no do this, u dont have to use cubase, any decent sequencer with effects will do

[*Layzie*]

it is worth doin still pretty much all producers i no do this, u dont have to use cubase, any decent sequencer with effects will do

Lol ima stop talkin
Im a uneducated producer.
Nah but im tryna find out new shit everytime. I wud proper mix down my beats but if i got payed to lol.
Production is jus anythin atm im still 15

[Wiz]

Reason will naturally sound better as it has a mastering preset loaded up every time you make a new project.

[Miyagi Dan]

Lol ima stop talkin
Im a uneducated producer.
Nah but im tryna find out new shit everytime. I wud proper mix down my beats but if i got payed to lol.
Production is jus anythin atm im still 15

lol im far from an "educated producer" dont watch it mate, im always learning

a good mix can make an average track sound heavy, but a poor mix can make a heavy track sound average so its worth investing time in that side of things imo

[G-dub]

I know what ur saying still.

Alot of Grime tunes these days, the production quality n final product are not very good!

I no longer make grime, but when i did, i made sure the final product was mixed down the best i can with what ive got. Before i send it out etc.

Look at dubstep for example. The production levels are on point!

Its just grime is something u can make when u first start producing. Any1 really can put out a grime tune.

Cuz all u need is a grimey bassline, kick, snare etc & uve got 1. lol

Thats where grime is failing!

[Aza T]

How come u dont make grime nemore G dub?

[G-dub]

Havnt made grime for nearly a year now!

Just lost interest in making it tbh!

Dont feel i can express myself properly in grime.

Im very melodic etc, n i felt grime was sumwhere i didnt wana

go anymore!

Im makin mostly. Hip hop, Rnb, Dubstep, Classical, Jazz, Soul, Experimental.

these days.

Just feel i can work better with these type of genre.

[Aza T]

Havnt made grime for nearly a year now!

Just lost interest in making it tbh!

Dont feel i can express myself properly in grime.

Im very melodic etc, n i felt grime was sumwhere i didnt wana

go anymore!

Im makin mostly. Hip hop, Rnb, Dubstep, Classical, Jazz, Soul, Experimental.

these days.

Just feel i can work better with these type of genre.

oh skeen

You should try and get back on it, even if its just a few tunes once in a while

Cause i did like some of ur beats, played one or two on the podcast if u remember....[no hovis]

[G-dub]

oh skeen

You should try and get back on it, even if its just a few tunes once in a while

Cause i did like some of ur beats, played one or two on the podcast if u remember....[no hovis]

lol Safe.

Not sure man, at the mo im concentrating more on other genres.

Cuz i feel i wasnt getting anywhere with Grime.

Jezebel did well, but even that wasnt exactly " Grime "

had more of a hip hop influence!

[TRU_G]

Not sure man, at the mo im concentrating more on other genres.


Which genres? Are you the G-Dub from Drum & Bass?

[D*evil*s]

im lucky i mix dwn my stuff in college whnever i use fruity loops... but gudd headfones can help in the sequencing whn ur putting it 2gether...

but whn ur mixing dwn all about proffestional monitors an a good audio interface... an very good wires...

i used 2 mix dwn my old.. old skool garage beats in my bredrins studio he had at least 50k worth of kit but the wires wasnt gudd .....

but i mix in college.... or in my uncles studio in bham

[G-dub]

lol nah thats Generation dub.

im G-dub aka Jezebel. is what im best known for! lol

[Baybee-T]

How you gonna be mastering an mp3? or a wav?
Surely you do your mixdown in sequencer?
Creating a mixdown and mixing a track are 2 different things.

[Baybee-T]

Havnt made grime for nearly a year now!

Just lost interest in making it tbh!

Dont feel i can express myself properly in grime.

Im very melodic etc, n i felt grime was sumwhere i didnt wana

go anymore!

Im makin mostly. Hip hop, Rnb, Dubstep, Classical, Jazz, Soul, Experimental.

these days.

Just feel i can work better with these type of genre.

You sound like your ganna go places!! Keep it up!