Scorcher - Simply the best vol 2 reviews

[safeblud12345]

listening to it now, theres a few sick tracks on this, feeling shoe box, school of hardknocks, concrete jungle so far

what you think of this?

[Nine Bar]

i said this will b the "set the standard" mixtape

and i agree wiv that statement

fukin showa

['nuum general]

is it grime or is it like his previous efforts?

[safeblud12345]

is it grime or is it like his previous efforts?

its just good music hip hop nd grime

[HypeKidd]

Lol at the only reviews on the internet of this being mindless illiterate nonsense. People just saying "BAP BAP SCORCH IS BAK WOO EZ A BADMAN OHHH THE BEST IN THE SCENE SHOWA!" Yeah... Whatever. Can someone other than a future mindless road sweeper with not a brain cell to there name tell me if this is good or not.

[Nine Bar]

its a mixtape by an artist who has proven hes not jus grime/hip hop or a one genre man. hes a talented artist pushing his music

[HypeKidd]

its just good music hip hop nd grime

A good balance, i can see it being a bit more hip hop?

[safeblud12345]

Lol at the only reviews on the internet of this being mindless illiterate nonsense. People just saying "BAP BAP SCORCH IS BAK WOO EZ A BADMAN OHHH THE BEST IN THE SCENE SHOWA!" Yeah... Whatever. Can someone other than a future mindless road sweeper with not a brain cell to there name tell me if this is good or not.

seen

[Nine Bar]

Lol at the only reviews on the internet of this being mindless illiterate nonsense. People just saying "BAP BAP SCORCH IS BAK WOO EZ A BADMAN OHHH THE BEST IN THE SCENE SHOWA!" Yeah... Whatever. Can someone other than a future mindless road sweeper with not a brain cell to there name tell me if this is good or not.


lmao u can trust me

it is over showa

[TRU_G]

I don't mind Hip Hop, Hip Hop is good.

Nas is Hip Hop, he is good
Soulja Boy is also Hip Hop, he should give up

Scorcher leans towards the Soulja Boy side of Hip Hop ie. the shit side

It's not the fact that he does Hip Hop, its just he makes shit Hip Hop

You lot want to hear decent UKHH check out the new Ransom Badbones CD

[safeblud12345]

A good balance, i can see it being a bit more hip hop?

erm jus checkin listening to testify thats hip hop though lol its the kanye west - touch the sky instrumental, kanye west -cant tell me nothing instrumental, one blood, black boys and hustle hard thats all the hip hop imo

dont know why people care how much hip hop there is aslong as its good music

[Eric Cantona]

If you like all the big hip hop tunes over 2007, you will like this.

['nuum general]

can u sum it up for me bearing in mind the following:

1) Scorcher was a showerman on radio 05/early 06

2) his previous cds were such a piss poor effort that if i ever met him i would slap him for me wasting my time listening to them and then ask for my money back

I don't want none of this artist bollocks, i just want a grime cd.

thanks

[safeblud12345]

If you like all the big hip hop tunes over 2007, you will like this.

you cant say that shoe box isnt good?

['nuum general]

erm jus checkin listening to testify thats hip hop though lol its the kanye west - touch the sky instrumental, kanye west -cant tell me nothing instrumental, one blood, black boys and hustle hard thats all the hip hop imo



thats poor hip hop in my opinion.

wu tang 1 blud>>>> x100>> game version

[Demos]

I don't mind Hip Hop, Hip Hop is good.

Nas is Hip Hop, he is good
Soulja Boy is also Hip Hop, he should give up

Scorcher leans towards the Soulja Boy side of Hip Hop ie. the shit side

It's not the fact that he does Hip Hop, its just he makes shit Hip Hop


my sentiments exactly.

[bailey_187]

one blood under the W is sick

The W is an underated album still.

[screwface]

sO r u saying dis is not for a grime fan no ?

[I Can See You]

On the 4th track so far

I liked Concrete Jungle & Hustle Hard

I will purchase if I like the rest of it.

[Danny Trejo]

Should have ditched last year's hip-hop beats but apart from that I like it. What I don't understand is why no-one goes for flat out classic beats if you're going to do American hip-hop. Some old RZA or Premier or even Pete Rock or whatever.

Oh well, it's good, if I see it when I buy OG Season & FOS I'll buy it. Straight cash for the next few weeks so fuck an internet buy.

[FG]

can u sum it up for me bearing in mind the following:

1) Scorcher was a showerman on radio 05/early 06

2) his previous cds were such a piss poor effort that if i ever met him i would slap him for me wasting my time listening to them and then ask for my money back
I don't want none of this artist bollocks, i just want a grime cd.

thanks

sorry for being pedantic, but still I would like to see that lol

[I Can See You]

I liked this

Probably be buying

[Breathe Beats]

sorry for being pedantic, but still I would like to see that lol

lool dont get it twisted
web is HENCH! :tank:

[D-Structo]

one blood under the W is sick

The W is an underated album still.

forgot about this .... tune reminded me of some james bond ting.. it was cold.

[[Mr_SnoWman]]

Did everyone buy this then yer?

[topcat]

I rate this CD
Way better than LOTNS, not sure whether it's better than STB though

[Blacksterz]

its a mixtape by an artist who has proven hes not jus grime/hip hop or a one genre man. hes a talented artist pushing his music

Shh Hut Yuh Muh!

[Ghost45]

Very poor mixtape 6 grime tunes that's including the rinse freestyle.

Lauren Mason track is awfull, He could have at least vocaled D.O.K's One Blood remix instead, Hustle Hard out dated blackjack beat etc etc, Concrete jungle is big though.

For me this is a below par scorcher release giving us more of what we don't want to hear, sounds very rushed to me.

[Retrofreak]

Very poor mixtape 6 grime tunes that's including the rinse freestyle.

Lauren Mason track is awfull, He could have at least vocaled D.O.K's One Blood remix instead, Hustle Hard out dated blackjack beat etc etc, Concrete jungle is big though.

For me this is a below par scorcher release giving us more of what we don't want to hear, sounds very rushed to me.

^^^^100% real talk

Just heard this and thought it sounded bizarre!.

Truth is Scorcher has an identity crisis and doesn't know if his a Kano understudy or a Killa Cam stunt double.

I found the wide range of music entertaining, but often hampered by poorly written half baked songs.

With the abundance of wannabe RnB chicks out there, I fail to see the fascination with this uber chav named Lauren Mason??:angry:

Her shrill cat like vocals feel like rusty nails shredding through my brain.

Scorchers mumble mouthed flow doesn't do anything to help his poorly projected introverted verses.

Bottom line.

This CD was flung out to get that notorious AJ advance.
Grime/Hip Hop I like them both, but this Dawg SHIT!!



4/10 (and that's because I'm a movement fan):angry:

Welcome back Scorch.

[abass]

leader of the new school was better.

[HypeKidd]

I aint buying it then...

[I Can See You]

leader of the new school was better.

Your opinion but I rate this way above Leader of The New School

[Tickbites]

Yea Its Better Than Leader Of The New School.
Even When He Does Do Greezy Hip Hop I Think Hes Alright But Hes Top 3 When Doing It On Grime.
You Can See Blatent Difference In His Accent Since Rinse Days Got Some Swagger And Its Annoying Man Wish He Go Back Into Volume One Mode.

[Eric Cantona]

lol at Greezy Hip Hop, This is commercial Hip Hop.

The best track on the cd was an radio rip from 2 years ago

[RIP Jakey]

this cd is swag

[Tickbites]

lol at Greezy Hip Hop, This is commercial Hip Hop.

The best track on the cd was an radio rip from 2 years ago

ITE SON

[Llelo]

lool dont get it twisted
web is HENCH! :tank:

[scorch]size ain't nuttin, my flicknife will slide in suttin, so u can bang weights all day and pump up your body, but ima just...[scorch]

got my cd this morning

will listen after freedom of speech, which is sick so far imo

[Pred]

The One Blood is from the UK Megamix vocal from a couple years ago.

This is why I don't buy stuff listening to reviews or trying first.

[phen]

this is awful

listened to half of it so far and haven't rated any of it

[BananaMan]

I thought it was quite good, even though people will shoot it down for having hiphop on it.


Should have ditched last year's hip-hop beats but apart from that I like it. What I don't understand is why no-one goes for flat out classic beats if you're going to do American hip-hop. Some old RZA or Premier or even Pete Rock or whatever.

Oh well, it's good, if I see it when I buy OG Season & FOS I'll buy it. Straight cash for the next few weeks so fuck an internet buy.


Very true. Sometimes I think most of these artist dont really listen to anything good, just the mainstream and a couple underground acts with a name.

[abass]

Sometimes I think most of these artist dont really listen to anything good, just the mainstream and a couple underground acts with a name.

exactly what i think.

[RIP Jakey]

you know Scorchers a bit of a div when he said 'I don't listen to Hip Hop I listen to Rap'.

[fuk off]

Not guna cop dis I aint suprised @ it bein swag has no one learned??

[JACK]

Sometimes I think most of these artist dont really listen to anything good, just the mainstream and a couple underground acts with a name.

lol its bait dey do dis like dat still

[SCP]

wasn't feeling it 2 tuff - its not even the fact that ther was hip-hop on it- that rinse session clip should have been on STB1 (it was a reminder of the good old days still) but Leader of the New School>> STB2.
ah well, next!
*pre-orders FoS

[Steez]

This >>> Freedom of Speech

I like Scorcher on Hip Hop still

[bailey_187]

is this UKRS exclusive?

[Steez]

Lauren Mason track is awfull
Why does she wake upin the morning?

[Major]

Temptation>>>>>

[Ghost45]

Don't get me wrong though the cd has good tracks but when you are selling a mixtape you have to look at your prime fanbase and give them what they want to hear..........that is grime.

I as a grime fan want to hear the scorcher that made me rate him in the first place, not some watered down version.

[I Can See You]

This >>> Freedom of Speech

I like Scorcher on Hip Hop still

:laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

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[Young Spray]

CONCRETE FUCKING JUNGLE :2guns: >>>>>>

UR FAVOURITE MC'S BEST TRACK.

[HypeKidd]

Don't get me wrong though the cd has good tracks but when you are selling a mixtape you have to look at your prime fanbase and give them what they want to hear..........that is grime.

I as a grime fan want to hear the scorcher that made me rate him in the first place, not some watered down version.

Scorcher said he can't please everyone, so he will make music that pleases himself. Selfish, but he is right.

[Carter]

He should go to UK Hip Hop scene with all the other doogies........but if you thought grime money was shit wait to you release a UK Hip Hop record lol

[Llelo]

This >>> Freedom of Speech

I like Scorcher on Hip Hop still

http://www.imagebin.eu/pics/f1f8e07842696a623230f955cda19905.jpg

Mixtape is shit.

I was overly disappointed.

I think Scorcher has lost it tbh.

[Steez]

Scorcher said he can't please everyone, so he will make music that pleases himself. Selfish, but he is right.
Fuck off ... that's how music SHOULD be. An artist should be making the music that they like, not what everyone else wants. Then, if other people happen to like it, it should sell and do well and everyone's happy.

Trouble is, it ain't happening ... people are making music with the aim of selling it to a particular audience, even though they're not great at that style ... hence shit music.

[TRU_G]

He should go to UK Hip Hop scene with all the other doogies........but if you thought grime money was shit wait to you release a UK Hip Hop record lol

he would get shown the fuck up tho, and why would UKHH buys his CD when they can buy decent UKHH

[ozman22]

its terrible, too much of vol 1 in there too.

[Hiro Nakagrime]

He should go to UK Hip Hop scene with all the other doogies........but if you thought grime money was shit wait to you release a UK Hip Hop record lol

its so true how many people actually buy into uk hip hop nowdays their fans either switched to grime or started listening to the american stuff. Is it just me or did it just go six feet deep when sway took a year off?

[Hiro Nakagrime]

Fuck off ... that's how music SHOULD be. An artist should be making the music that they like, not what everyone else wants. Then, if other people happen to like it, it should sell and do well and everyone's happy.

Trouble is, it ain't happening ... people are making music with the aim of selling it to a particular audience, even though they're not great at that style ... hence shit music.

thats like saying frisco wasnt happy making b2dl v2, with the ratings and p's rolling into the bank u would be stupid to have scorchers mentality.

[Steez]

and why would UKHH buys his CD when they can buy decent UKHH
There's decent UKHH? Where is this fabled music?

[Steez]

thats like saying frisco wasnt happy making b2dl v2, with the ratings and p's rolling into the bank u would be stupid to have scorchers mentality.
Music should be music before business. At no point should a reggae artist find theirself doing bassline house just because they'll sell 100 more units. The artists should stay true to what THEY like doing.

[TRU_G]

There's decent UKHH? Where is this fabled music?

There's members on this site with an open mind? Where are these fabled members?

Scorcher, Wretch anyone of these Grime artists who try UKHH would get torn from pieces to pieces by nearly all of the UKHH scene

The UKHH scene has high standards, that why you never hear UKHH heads going on about Scorcher's CD

[Demos]

i agree with tru G

[Eric Cantona]

Example is good, only UKHH i kinda like but i cant say i listen to UKHH either

[Tony Starks]

Music should be music before business. At no point should a reggae artist find theirself doing bassline house just because they'll sell 100 more units. The artists should stay true to what THEY like doing.
sums up the whole scorcher situation really.
End of thread

[Llelo]

Music should be music before business. At no point should a reggae artist find theirself doing bassline house just because they'll sell 100 more units. The artists should stay true to what THEY like doing.

Yeh but Scorcher came up MC'ing and Dj'ing grime music. It's not like he doesn't like grime, but I tihnk he believes grime is beneath him/for kids and his lyrics are now too good for grime beats.

Because truesay him shouting MAN'LL COME TO YOUR BITS WITH JERMAINE AND ROSS sounds better on grime than his recent lyrics could.

[Steez]

Yeh but Scorcher came up MC'ing and Dj'ing grime music. It's not like he doesn't like grime, but I tihnk he believes grime is beneath him/for kids and his lyrics are now too good for grime beats.

Because truesay him shouting MAN'LL COME TO YOUR BITS WITH JERMAINE AND ROSS sounds better on grime than his recent lyrics could.
People grow. Do you still watch Teletubbies every morning and shit? You know what I mean? People have to change and adapt their situations to imporve and advance in life.

[Steez]

There's members on this site with an open mind? Where are these fabled members?

Scorcher, Wretch anyone of these Grime artists who try UKHH would get torn from pieces to pieces by nearly all of the UKHH scene

The UKHH scene has high standards, that why you never hear UKHH heads going on about Scorcher's CD
LOL It's a fair comeback. On a real though, give me some names ... any time I have tried listening to UKHH it's been shit, in fact, it hasn't been Hip Hop, it's been Rap, and I prefer the former.

I like Logic and Lowkey, and I'm sure there was a guy called Pixel or something I heard about once, but other than that, Sway and Sincere, anything else I've listened to has been air.

Test me, give me some names, I'll listen and see if I'm feeling any of it.

[Quality Control]

There's members on this site with an open mind? Where are these fabled members?

Scorcher, Wretch anyone of these Grime artists who try UKHH would get torn from pieces to pieces by nearly all of the UKHH scene

The UKHH scene has high standards, that why you never hear UKHH heads going on about Scorcher's CD

..exactly, someone like Jehst, Akala, Roots Manuva or even Skinnyman back when he was at his best are in a whole different league to Wretch and Scorcher..

[Demos]

even SAS>>>>>>>>scorcher imo

[Quality Control]

even SAS>>>>>>>>scorcher imo

..and that's fuckin sayin something :stunned:..

[Retrofreak]

There's only a select few MC's that could cut it on level with UKHH mans imo.

1.Goodz
2.Devlin
3 Wretch
4.Kano

[Demos]

..and that's fuckin sayin something :stunned:..

loooool

its true tho

coming to america mixtape>>>>>>>>>STB2

it was actually a good mixtape lol (and i never usually listen to that type of hip hop)

[Quality Control]

There's only a select few MC's that could cut it on level with UKHH mans imo.

1.Goodz
2.Devlin
4.Kano

..i'm a big fan of those 3 but they couldn't hold a candle to Jehst lyrically..

[Retrofreak]

..i'm a big fan of those 3 but they couldn't hold a candle to Jehst lyrically..

Sorry, but I beg to differ,

Jehst is cool, but he's overrated imo.

It's easier to have good lyrics without flow..
The Grime MC's are maintaining both lyric and flow so I rate them higher.

[Quality Control]

Sorry, but I beg to differ,

Jehst is cool, but he's overrated imo.

It's easier to have good lyrics without flow..
The Grime MC's are maintaining both lyric and flow so I rate them higher.

..his technical rhyming skill is sick.. the only set back about his flow is sometimes his deliverance is too laid back and his accent can be quite annoying.. he has the multi's, metaphors, punchlines, poetical lyrics and social consciousness though.. his flow might not be as quick as Doogz or Devlin but it's just as technical..

"Run from your death get caught in the next life
Hit with a very heavy lead pipe, let's fight
Like low lives on a liquor binge, throwin' broken bottles and litter bins
Spittin' in Tony Blair's face cos' I'm sick of him
I apply strict discipline, citizen Smif scribblin' liberation provocation
Startin' revolution, sellin' eighth's to an eighth of the population
Givin' them a proper education..."

[Carter]

What im saying is man like The Movement, Kano & Durry Goodz are dying to do Hip Hop but the fanbase is smaller, less radio, less bookings & no chance of a record deal, so they make a few grime tunes and get back on course for their dreams of becoming Jay Z and Cam'ron........shits disgusting

[Quality Control]

What im saying is man like The Movement, Kano & Durry Goodz are dying to do Hip Hop but the fanbase is smaller, less radio, less bookings & no chance of a record deal, so they make a few grime tunes and get back on course for their dreams of becoming Jay Z and Cam'ron........shits disgusting

..depends what kind of hip-hop you do and whether it's any good.. hip-hop has a much higher earning potential overall.. but it looks like Kano realised he's not good/marketable enough to tap into the big hip-hop money so he jumped back into the pond so he can be a big fish again for a little while..

[Retrofreak]

..his technical rhyming skill is sick.. the only set back about his flow is sometimes his deliverance is too laid back and his accent can be quite annoying.. he has the multi's, metaphors, punchlines, poetical lyrics and social consciousness though.. his flow might not be as quick as Doogz or Devlin but it's just as technical..

"Run from your death get caught in the next life
Hit with a very heavy lead pipe, let's fight
Like low lives on a liquor binge, throwin' broken bottles and litter bins
Spittin' in Tony Blair's face cos' I'm sick of him
I apply strict discipline, citizen Smif scribblin' liberation provocation
Startin' revolution, sellin' eighth's to an eighth of the population
Givin' them a proper education..."

Could you post some examples of Jehst at his best?
Because every time i've heard him his lyrical ,but the flows just sounded baggy and standard on the beat.

When I mean flow I don't mean spitting quick, I mean being liquid on the beat like Jigga and Eminem.

[Carter]

..depends what kind of hip-hop you do and whether it's any good.. hip-hop has a much higher earning potential overall.. but it looks like Kano realised he's not good/marketable enough to tap into the big hip-hop money so he jumped back into the pond so he can be a big fish again for a little while..

Everything you said is true..........,for americans!

The Streets came as a garage act, So Solid Crew were garage Dizzee Rascal was garage/grime era.........Sway, Skinny Man, SAS. Klashnekoff & Plan B are hip hop.......compare the sales and its a no brainer, UK Hip Hop is not wanted by the underground or the mainstream, its has a small loyal fanbase

[Quality Control]

Could you post some examples of Jehst at his best?
Because every time i've heard him his lyrical ,but the flows just sounded baggy and standard on the beat.

When I mean flow I don't mean spitting quick, I mean being liquid on the beat like Jigga and them.

..Jehst - Run Hard (from Falling Down LP) (http://www.zshare.net/audio/86854077dfcfbd/).. listen to the multi's, punchlines and timing..


"It's the million militant picture paintin, quick debatin'
I hit terrain my trainers grip the pavin'
The city's depraved decayed, quick to cave in
I kick the greatest game, pick up the pace
Shake the cage, rattle bars, we bare battle scars
Fresh blood out the abbatoir
Avant Garde rappers are ready for champagne and caviar
I stay camouflaged armed with a travel card (travel unchartered paths)
Pass the parcel, I'm partial to parsley, puff it like Bob Marley
Charged without charlie, chalk the score up
Babylon upon us better board the door up
Dancefloors are torn up we tourin' Europe
Warlords secure, fuck Tora Bora caves I fornicate with hate
Make love to the break
Each verse a verbal earthquake make the world celebrate my birthday
Sick in the worst way, wastin' away waitin' for first aid
I break bread with the first ape
To walk upright and talk just like a drunk on a rough night ('nuff strife)
Queens sellin' themselves at cut price
Open like butterfly knives it's not nice I rock mic's
Duppy put rock in their pipes
Deprived puppies keep barkin', blockin' my light
Yap yappin' at my ankles
I work so many angles, so my jeans jangle like bangles
I manhandle ample stress, spark bless, then I blow out the candles
Get sweet dreams

(Chorus by Usmaan)
Hybrid fiends dominate your TV screens
Diablo's, near death fiasco's
RUN HARD
Keep your worst thoughts on charge
When you see a mirage
From Gestapo at large
RUN HARD
Fiends dominate your TV screens
Diablo's, near death fiasco's
RUN HARD
Keep your worst thoughts on charge
Towards the mirage
RUN HARD

J Star spit for catharsis, me and Dr Who buil'in' spliffs in the tardis
Leave your reputation tarnished
I talk carnage garnish tracks with ganja and garlic for vampire varmints
Fire for them halfwits, and hard heads who start shit
Any last requests? spark your last spliff
Before you get dragged into darkness
I walk through your palace in the raggedest garments
Baggy hangin' off of my arse shit
I spit arsenic, if you're askin' the wrong questions
In the studio for long sessions
Stressed out about the rent every pound spent lost or lent
Begged borrowed or stolen
Wrestlin' with stress like it's Hulk Hogan baby
That drank the whole cauldron of magic potion
Potent, I patent my own slogan
Alone smokin' a cone, stoned
Approachin' in a Trojan horse, with a hundred heads from up North
Negative and 'nuff coarse of course
Forcefully stormin' your fort
The rebel with a cause without pause for thought it's WAR

RUN HARD"

[Demos]

..Jehst - Run Hard (from Falling Down LP) (http://www.zshare.net/audio/86854077dfcfbd/).. listen to the multi's, punchlines and timing..


"It's the million militant picture paintin, quick debatin'
I hit terrain my trainers grip the pavin'
The city's depraved decayed, quick to cave in
I kick the greatest game, pick up the pace
Shake the cage, rattle bars, we bare battle scars
Fresh blood out the abbatoir
Avant Garde rappers are ready for champagne and caviar
I stay camouflaged armed with a travel card (travel unchartered paths)
Pass the parcel, I'm partial to parsley, puff it like Bob Marley
Charged without charlie, chalk the score up
Babylon upon us better board the door up
Dancefloors are torn up we tourin' Europe
Warlords secure, fuck Tora Bora caves I fornicate with hate
Make love to the break
Each verse a verbal earthquake make the world celebrate my birthday
Sick in the worst way, wastin' away waitin' for first aid
I break bread with the first ape
To walk upright and talk just like a drunk on a rough night ('nuff strife)
Queens sellin' themselves at cut price
Open like butterfly knives it's not nice I rock mic's
Duppy put rock in their pipes
Deprived puppies keep barkin', blockin' my light
Yap yappin' at my ankles
I work so many angles, so my jeans jangle like bangles
I manhandle ample stress, spark bless, then I blow out the candles
Get sweet dreams

(Chorus by Usmaan)
Hybrid fiends dominate your TV screens
Diablo's, near death fiasco's
RUN HARD
Keep your worst thoughts on charge
When you see a mirage
From Gestapo at large
RUN HARD
Fiends dominate your TV screens
Diablo's, near death fiasco's
RUN HARD
Keep your worst thoughts on charge
Towards the mirage
RUN HARD

J Star spit for catharsis, me and Dr Who buil'in' spliffs in the tardis
Leave your reputation tarnished
I talk carnage garnish tracks with ganja and garlic for vampire varmints
Fire for them halfwits, and hard heads who start shit
Any last requests? spark your last spliff
Before you get dragged into darkness
I walk through your palace in the raggedest garments
Baggy hangin' off of my arse shit
I spit arsenic, if you're askin' the wrong questions
In the studio for long sessions
Stressed out about the rent every pound spent lost or lent
Begged borrowed or stolen
Wrestlin' with stress like it's Hulk Hogan baby
That drank the whole cauldron of magic potion
Potent, I patent my own slogan
Alone smokin' a cone, stoned
Approachin' in a Trojan horse, with a hundred heads from up North
Negative and 'nuff coarse of course
Forcefully stormin' your fort
The rebel with a cause without pause for thought it's WAR

RUN HARD"

that album is alot

[Retrofreak]

Everything you said is true..........,for americans!

The Streets came as a garage act, So Solid Crew were garage Dizzee Rascal was garage/grime era.........Sway, Skinny Man, SAS. Klashnekoff & Plan B are hip hop.......compare the sales and its a no brainer, UK Hip Hop is not wanted by the underground or the mainstream, its has a small loyal fanbase

True Carter,

But Dizzee broke the mainstream with Hip-Hop based singles and still continuous to do so.

[Quality Control]

Everything you said is true..........,for americans!

The Streets came as a garage act, So Solid Crew were garage Dizzee Rascal was garage/grime era.........Sway, Skinny Man, SAS. Klashnekoff & Plan B are hip hop.......compare the sales and its a no brainer, UK Hip Hop is not wanted by the underground or the mainstream, its has a small loyal fanbase

..Sway, Dizzee Rascal and Kano's last albums, Example, Roots Manuva, Akala & Plan B have had more mainstream shine than any grime has.. but you're right it does apply to USA much more so than it does England..

..plus major British labels are much more willing to take the safe route and stick to the path laid by American's rather than take a risk and attempt to profit off of grime, which has never properly been done before besides the odd song..

['nuum general]

i don't think you can mention UKHH without mentioning Kyza who to me is the best all-round emcee in the scene.

Devil in a dress>>>>>>>>>

scorcher would get shown up in that scene.

also UKHH has more regular releases. both cd & vinyl, than grime as well as having a lot more raves/club nights.

if i was scorcher i'd be contacting grime online radio, getting a slot & start to rebuild the hype again

[Carter]

True Carter,

But Dizzee broke the mainstream with Hip-Hop based singles and still continuous to do so.

Fix Up Look Sharp was crowd pleaser but he would never of been in that position if it wasn't for I Luv U and The grimey Boy In Da Corner.....

I never had a problem with Sirens or Typical Me because I didn't see them as Hip Hop, just experimental music.

[Retrofreak]

..Jehst - Run Hard (from Falling Down LP) (http://www.zshare.net/audio/86854077dfcfbd/).. listen to the multi's, punchlines and timing..


"It's the million militant picture paintin, quick debatin'
I hit terrain my trainers grip the pavin'
The city's depraved decayed, quick to cave in
I kick the greatest game, pick up the pace
Shake the cage, rattle bars, we bare battle scars
Fresh blood out the abbatoir
Avant Garde rappers are ready for champagne and caviar
I stay camouflaged armed with a travel card (travel unchartered paths)
Pass the parcel, I'm partial to parsley, puff it like Bob Marley
Charged without charlie, chalk the score up
Babylon upon us better board the door up
Dancefloors are torn up we tourin' Europe
Warlords secure, fuck Tora Bora caves I fornicate with hate
Make love to the break
Each verse a verbal earthquake make the world celebrate my birthday
Sick in the worst way, wastin' away waitin' for first aid
I break bread with the first ape
To walk upright and talk just like a drunk on a rough night ('nuff strife)
Queens sellin' themselves at cut price
Open like butterfly knives it's not nice I rock mic's
Duppy put rock in their pipes
Deprived puppies keep barkin', blockin' my light
Yap yappin' at my ankles
I work so many angles, so my jeans jangle like bangles
I manhandle ample stress, spark bless, then I blow out the candles
Get sweet dreams

(Chorus by Usmaan)
Hybrid fiends dominate your TV screens
Diablo's, near death fiasco's
RUN HARD
Keep your worst thoughts on charge
When you see a mirage
From Gestapo at large
RUN HARD
Fiends dominate your TV screens
Diablo's, near death fiasco's
RUN HARD
Keep your worst thoughts on charge
Towards the mirage
RUN HARD

J Star spit for catharsis, me and Dr Who buil'in' spliffs in the tardis
Leave your reputation tarnished
I talk carnage garnish tracks with ganja and garlic for vampire varmints
Fire for them halfwits, and hard heads who start shit
Any last requests? spark your last spliff
Before you get dragged into darkness
I walk through your palace in the raggedest garments
Baggy hangin' off of my arse shit
I spit arsenic, if you're askin' the wrong questions
In the studio for long sessions
Stressed out about the rent every pound spent lost or lent
Begged borrowed or stolen
Wrestlin' with stress like it's Hulk Hogan baby
That drank the whole cauldron of magic potion
Potent, I patent my own slogan
Alone smokin' a cone, stoned
Approachin' in a Trojan horse, with a hundred heads from up North
Negative and 'nuff coarse of course
Forcefully stormin' your fort
The rebel with a cause without pause for thought it's WAR

RUN HARD"

Yeah I know this tune big word play, but the delivery is baggy.

It kinda reminds me of what Em said about Canibus, "tell us about the sun,moon and stars and intergalactic-al metaphors from mars"lol

[Quality Control]

..word play = flow to me.. the multi's, the puns, the punchlines, the timing..

..what's your definition of flow?? sounds to me like you're more tlaking about charisma, mic presence and delivery, which i class as a whole separate aspect of MCing.. "swagger" is what it's called i guess but that word is corny as fuck..

['nuum general]

to me flow and delivery is different

flows just been able to rhyme on beat

[Retrofreak]

Fix Up Look Sharp was crowd pleaser but he would never of been in that position if it wasn't for I Luv U and The grimey Boy In Da Corner.....

I never had a problem with Sirens or Typical Me because I didn't see them as Hip Hop, just experimental music.

What about "Just a Rascal" that could be a Busta riddem?

All of those experimental sounds you mention still fall under the Hip Hop banner.

Sirens is just an ode to "Run DMC/Beastie Boy's and Rick Rubin"

I've got no problem with listening to different style's from Dizzee that's one of the reasons BITC worked for me ,because it had different sounds with an MC I could relate to.

[Retrofreak]

..word play = flow to me.. the multi's, the puns, the punchlines, the timing..

..what's your definition of flow?? sounds to me like you're more tlaking about charisma, mic presence and delivery, which i class as a whole separate aspect of MCing.. "swagger" is what it's called i guess but that word is corny as fuck..

Flow = Natural phrasing and placement of the words and punch lines rhythmically on the beat.

Charisma= when someone has personality and can make something thats extremely difficult appear to look dead easy like a Gymnast.

The Below MC's encompassed that.

1. Biggie
2. Slick Rick
3. Big Daddy Kane
4. Rakim
5. Big L
6. Jay-z
7. Eminem
8. Redman
9. Q- Tip
10. Kanye

[Major]

Fix Up Look Sharp was crowd pleaser but he would never of been in that position if it wasn't for I Luv U and The grimey Boy In Da Corner.....

I never had a problem with Sirens or Typical Me because I didn't see them as Hip Hop, just experimental music.

real,those singles never sounded like typical hiphop

[Quality Control]

Flow = Natural phrasing and placement of the words and punch lines rhythmically on the beat.

Charisma= when someone has personality and can make something thats extremely difficult appear to look dead easy like a Gymnast.

The Below MC's encompassed that.

1. Biggie
2. Slick Rick
3. Big Daddy Kane
4. Rakim
5. Big L
6. Jay-Z
7. Eminem
8. Redman
9. Q-Tip
10. Kanye

..nah flow = word-play, multi's, puns, timing - it's all to do with the actual writing of the bars.. some rappers with amazing flow:

1. Big Punisher
2. Eminem
3. Kool G Rap
4. A.Z.
5. Common

..you seem to be mistaking it for "swagger".. which is rhythm, delivery, mic presence, energy, confidence, style.. which is whatmost of the rappers your list are known for (flow aswell in the cases of Biggie, Rakim, Jay-Z and Eminem though).. for example Kanye West; he has a very basic/poor flow but alot of charisma..

[Retrofreak]

..nah flow = word-play, multi's, puns, timing - it's all to do with the actual writing of the bars.. some rappers with amazing flow:

1. Big Punisher
2. Eminem
3. Kool G Rap
4. A.Z.
5. Common

..you seem to be mistaking it for "swagger".. which is rhythm, delivery, mic presence, energy, confidence, style.. which is whatmost of the rappers your list are known for (flow aswell in the cases of Biggie, Rakim, Jay-Z and Eminem though).. for example Kanye West; he has a very basic/poor flow but alot of charisma..

Careful word placement on the beat is the foundation of a good flow, without it swagger will only get you so far imo.

I've seen people scream into mic's, try 100+ takes changing how they project (swagger) only to be hampered by poorly structured verses.

Performance without well structured verses is like flooring a mini, your only gonna so fast!.

The best MC's for me phrase their raps like how they talk so it sounds natural on the beat and they can breathe.

That's why I mentioned Kanye he's not as basic as people may think his phrasing is incredibly natural.

It's easy to sound urgent like your struggling on a beat and fighting with words.

It's harder to pull of those same acrobatics effortlessly to the point where people cant see how hard your working.

[Quality Control]

..i understand all that and that it's one of the integral aspects of MCing, i'm just saying it's generally seen as a separate department to flow..

..this thread went really off topic lol.. back on topic: Simply The Best 2 is complete shit..

[whats_the_score?]

Ok the mixtape is swag, but this topic has evolved in to a good discussion for the random room.

[Quality Control]

..i just went back on topic :angry:..

[whats_the_score?]

Bugger.

Ok I'll move back.

[Retrofreak]

..i understand all that and that it's one of the integral aspects of MCing, i'm just saying it's generally seen as a separate department to flow..

..this thread went really off topic lol.. back on topic: Simply The Best 2 is complete shit..

^^^^agreed

I hear you man STB2 is kinda swag lol

[Eric Cantona]

Oi, u mods need to fix up, are u stupid. Put this in back in grime room

[Quality Control]

..Scorcher's completely lost it, which is shame.. he had the potential to be sick but i'm not sure whether he decided he's too lyrical for grime (which he certainly isn't) or just thought that the bait hip-hop was a quicker route to success.. either way he's shot himself in the foot big-time..

[whats_the_score?]

Oi, u mods need to fix up, are u stupid. Put this in back in grime room

It went off topic, so it was correct to move it, but as you see it is now back on topic and in the grime room.

[bailey_187]

moving a topic becuase it went of topic kills the convo tho.

it was still relevant anyway, saying how scorcher a grime mc(questionable at times lol) can or can not compete with UKHH as he is trying to be one

[whats_the_score?]

moving a topic becuase it went of topic kills the convo tho.

it was still relevant anyway, saying how scorcher a grime mc(questionable at times lol) can or can not compete with UKHH as he is trying to be one

Why even bring this up? It's done.

If people wanna write there reviews of this mixtape then go for it.