Mixtapes - Lacking decent beats

[frankD]

Not all mixtapes and not all beats on some mixtapes.

But sometimes the MC is on point, but the beats seem weak.

I wouldn't even care if MC's spit on hip hop if it was as good as some of the better american productions, but it always sounds weak.

Do you think there is a lack of decent producers in the scene?

What do producers get out of the grime scene, compared to mc's money wise?

[safeblud12345]

obviously nothing near amount as mcs because if a producer put a cd out it wouldnt sell well at all tbh in grime vocals sell

[Demos]

100% agree with this.
most of the time i find its the beat selection on a mixtape that are the real let down

[safeblud12345]

100% agree with this.
most of the time i find its the beat selection on a mixtape that are the real let down

yep but tbh a lot of mcs dont know where to look

['nuum general]

if maniac or joker put out a ten track instrumental cd it would sell well

there are plenty of decent producers, the emcees just pick the wrong ones for their mix cds

[Demos]

yep but tbh a lot of mcs dont know where to look

EXCTLY!!!

they go to the same old producers that are used on every mixtape, its like they are unwilling to explore anyone else who make much grimier beats

[frankD]

My main thought was on Earz, who was always decent when he had decent productions behind him, but on weak hip hop beat he is no better than any other guy on myspace.

[Retrofreak]

^^^^True

I agree with the above statements ,but it works both ways.

A good MC can make a mediocre beat sound better..
Take Eminem for example he spits on some of the worst beats around and turns them into songs.

[safeblud12345]

My main thought was on Earz, who was always decent when he had decent productions behind him, but on weak hip hop beat he is no better than any other guy on myspace.

i thought his new mixtape was good still just skipped through it though but it sounded big, i thought the production sounded decent

[Garybouba]

I agree as well, If MCs were to vocal over beats made by people such as Garna, and dropped it right, the track would be sick.

To be honest there aren't so many vocals over Garnas productions, which i think it kind of a let down.

[frankD]

^^^^True

I agree with the above statements ,but it works both ways.

A good MC can make a mediocre beat sound better..
Take Eminem for example he spits on some of the worst beats around and turns them into songs.

Devlin aswell.

Tales of the Crypt would have just been any mixtape if it has been vocalled by anyone else.

[Demos]

tbh i would rather listen to a mixtape with an average mc and brilliant beats than a mixtape with an excellent MC and below average production.

which is one of the reasons i cant stand any of wileys mixtapes.

the beats are the main reason i like grime, MCs are a bonus to me really

[HypeKidd]

I think it will be the same until the scene gets more money within it. How does it work with American producers? I would imagine they still get a bit of cash flow.

[safeblud12345]

I think it will be the same until the scene gets more money within it. How does it work with American producers? I would imagine they still get a bit of cash flow.

depends who you are

i remember when blackjack was tryna 2 sell beats for £3000 lol

[Fewie]

110% agree the beats let every mixtape down, hardly any of dem have REAL GRIME beats, sum nxt american rip off shit,

[The Elijah]

100% agree with this.
most of the time i find its the beat selection on a mixtape that are the real let down

get me

[frankD]

tbh i would rather listen to a mixtape with an average mc and brilliant beats than a mixtape with an excellent MC and below average production.

which is one of the reasons i cant stand any of wileys mixtapes.

the beats are the main reason i like grime, MCs are a bonus to me really

I agree.

This problem has run throughout grime.

Good MC'ing and Good beats seem to be like passing ships in the night.

But when they do meet the results can be out of this world.

[Fewie]

tbh i would rather listen to a mixtape with an average mc and brilliant beats than a mixtape with an excellent MC and below average production.

which is one of the reasons i cant stand any of wileys mixtapes.

the beats are the main reason i like grime, MCs are a bonus to me really

co-sign

Cant beat a proper hype grime beat

[HypeKidd]

depends who you are

i remember when blackjack was tryna 2 sell beats for £3000 lol

Lol what a cunny funt... If that was the case we would be bursting with producers bringing the heaviest of beats. Ah, now i've got something to dream about :)

['nuum general]

one of the reasons axiom was so good. the likes of coki, cotti & y dot on the buttons you cant really go wrong

[The Elijah]

jmes mixtapes had really good production on them. friscos b2tl 2 had good production. most other things have had 3 or four tunes, then the rest been a par.

[Demos]

Lol what a cunny funt... If that was the case we would be bursting with producers bringing the heaviest of beats. Ah, now i've got something to dream about :)

LMAO

[frankD]

I think it will be the same until the scene gets more money within it. How does it work with American producers? I would imagine they still get a bit of cash flow.

Money goes to the MC.
MC buys some jeans down Oxford street with his money etc.

The only incentives for grime producers will be if someone breaks mainstream with the grime sound, and then more people will try and recreate the sound chasing mainstream success.

['nuum general]

this is why grime needs more raves

djs at rave plays instrumental>>people like said beat>>beat gets released on vinyl/MP3>>people buy beat>>producer makes p & everyone happy

[frankD]

one of the reasons axiom was so good. the likes of coki, cotti & y dot on the buttons you cant really go wrong

I think the dubstep is a good route for mc's to go down.

Axiom seemed like it was well thought out, like the guy had sat down and made a plan.

[Demos]

Axiom was perfect in terms of production.

p.s. i dont know why every one calls it a dubstep CD theres only two dubstep beats on there (take back the scene & boi dem)

[FG]

agree with most of the views here, grime is an MC culture undoubtedly, but I think I prefer instrumental sets now

I'm listening to more dubstep just for its superior production

Think that's why OG Season is my most anticipated mix CD, even ahead of FOS, Grime Wave and others - every beat I hae jeard of that CD has been massive

[frankD]

this is why grime needs more raves

djs at rave plays instrumental>>people like said beat>>beat gets released on vinyl/MP3>>people buy beat>>producer makes p & everyone happy

Yeah I agree.

I feel the DJ is extinct, people think of the DJ now as more of a radio personality that actually someone who smashes a rave by skillfully mixing records.

If the producer dies out then its game over.

[safeblud12345]

agree with most of the views here, grime is an MC culture undoubtedly, but I think I prefer instrumental sets now

I'm listening to more dubstep just for its superior production

Think that's why OG Season is my most anticipated mix CD, even ahead of FOS, Grime Wave and others - every beat I hae jeard of that CD has been massive

agree with that about the OG season still

['nuum general]

I think that grime beats have generally lost the rawness which attracted us all in the beginning, yet the levels, with a few exceptions, have not increase to make up for it.

also the guys i like to listen to: maniac, joker ect have hardly released anything. Hence i'm buying more stuff from the likes of mala & distance rather than grime

edit: the djs far from dead, spryo testified that at fwd the other week

[TRU_G]

I think the dubstep is a good route for mc's to go down.

Axiom seemed like it was well thought out, like the guy had sat down and made a plan.

Goodz went to a record shop and bought bare records and chose the ones which he thought were the best/grimiest, that was why it was so ironic that they were mostly Dubstep beats

[FG]

I think the grime scene is starting to acknowledge that MCs have too much clout

There has been a lot of props for DJs such as Spyro, Maximum and Vectra recently, in relatiob to recent times

There is big gulf between the DJs though - if ur a good DJ with a good crew you will get ur specials and that. Admittedly the best DJs are very good, but still a lot of decent DJs don't really get a look in in comparison imo

['nuum general]

There is big gulf between the DJs though - if ur a good DJ with a good crew you will get ur specials and that. Admittedly the best DJs are very good, but still a lot of decent DJs don't really get a look in in comparison imo

a big problem with this getting hold of tunes, most of the time its who you know

[frankD]

But I remember in the garage days when everyone wanted to be a DJ.

[frankD]

Dubstep may evolve in time and include more grime like tracks.

I am slowly moving toward dubstep myself.

[Fewie]

I think that grime beats have generally lost the rawness which attracted us all in the beginning, yet the levels, with a few exceptions, have not increase to make up for it.
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real talk

[TRU_G]

Dubstep may evolve in time and include more grime like tracks.

I am slowly moving toward dubstep myself.

Thing is, beats like Caspa & Rusko - Bread Get Bun, which are popular with Grime heads, get slated by alot of Dubstep heads who would rather teh deepness of a Mala or Conquest beat

I think this so called 'jump up' or 'dancefloor' (if you don't know what I mean check out most of the Caspa/Rusko beats on Fabric Live) Dubstep should be aimed and promoted more in Grime, as it would mean big beats are being released/vocalled and it would stop the moaners in Dubstep

sorted

[Demos]

Dubstep may evolve in time and include more grime like tracks.

I am slowly moving toward dubstep myself.
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['nuum general]

Dubstep is, as a genre, grimier than 97.4% of the stuff released atm as grime


imo

[frankD]

Thing is, beats like Caspa & Rusko - Bread Get Bun, which are popular with Grime heads, get slated by alot of Dubstep heads who would rather teh deepness of a Mala or Conquest beat

I think this so called 'jump up' or 'dancefloor' (if you don't know what I mean check out most of the Caspa/Rusko beats on Fabric Live) Dubstep should be aimed and promoted more in Grime, as it would mean big beats are being released/vocalled and it would stop the moaners in Dubstep

sorted

There has always been a gap between dubstep and grime, and maybe over time this small gap may spur into a scene of its own.

Is that Rusko + Caspa Fabric cd worth buying?

[FG]

There has always been a gap between dubstep and grime, and maybe over time this small gap may spur into a scene of its own.

Is that Rusko + Caspa Fabric cd worth buying?

there's arguably never been a gap

[frankD]

there's arguably never been a gap

I mean in terms of producers who liked being part of the grime scene but were embraced by the dubstep scene, Plasticman, MRK1, Wonder.

Sad that them producers had to make the move over to that side in the end.

In the start there was no gap really.
People were confused about what was grime and what was dubstep.

[Wiz]

You could call dubstep to grime, what bassline is to 4x4 garage. It's the same sound just a specific form of production.

Anyhow back to the subject, yes people do not use good beats on their mixtapes, I've never understood this really, but MC seem to find it easier to spit over basic beats as I've witnessed with MCs I've worked with. Probably because they don't have to compete with the melodies of the beat.

[Quite a character]

tbh i would rather listen to a mixtape with an average mc and brilliant beats than a mixtape with an excellent MC and below average production.

which is one of the reasons i cant stand any of wileys mixtapes.

the beats are the main reason i like grime, MCs are a pest to me really

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[Quite a character]

You could call dubstep to grime, what bassline is to 4x4 garage. It's the same sound just a specific form of production.

Anyhow back to the subject, yes people do not use good beats on their mixtapes, I've never understood this really, but MC seem to find it easier to spit over basic beats as I've witnessed with MCs I've worked with. Probably because they don't have to compete with the melodies of the beat.

you couldnt be more wrong. the only thing they have in common is tempo. grime is lighter less dark much more mid freq focused. dubstep is mostly dark, with heavy emphasis on low freq bass.

[Wiz]

Yeah but a dubstep producer focuses on low freq, where as in grime it's just whatever the producer is on.
Just like in bassline a producer will focus on making the bassline how all of them seem to be: jumpy, call and response melodies, where as in 4x4 it's not as specific.

[Quite a character]

Yeah but a dubstep producer focuses on low freq, where as in grime it's just whatever the producer is on.
Just like in bassline a producer will focus on making the bassline how all of them seem to be: jumpy, call and response melodies, where as in 4x4 it's not as specific.

wrong, again.

low freq is the back bone of a tune in dubstep. anything else can go on top. be it hyped up wobble, tranquil melodies or a mixture of both. and then sometimes u get somebody like kode9 who jus is on his own thing lol.

[Wiz]

lol so how am i wrong? if something is the backbone does that not mean it's focused on?

anyhow I can't be bothered to argue about it, i know what i mean, i'll leave the dubstep knowledge to those who deal with it on a regular

[Retrofreak]

I'm sorry ,but Grime and Dubstep do cross at points, it depends who's doing it.

J Sweet------------>Coki
Kromestar--------->Wiley

[4737]

MCs need to branch out and seek new talent. one thing dubstep has over grime is the diversity. it's painfully boring when you hear the same beat rinsed by 10 different mcs.

t.

[Mister Lacey]

MCs need to branch out and seek new talent. one thing dubstep has over grime is the diversity. it's painfully boring when you hear the same beat rinsed by 10 different mcs.

t.

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[Quite a character]

lol so how am i wrong? if something is the backbone does that not mean it's focused on?

anyhow I can't be bothered to argue about it, i know what i mean, i'll leave the dubstep knowledge to those who deal with it on a regular

aka me

but yh i see what u mean. i think i got a bit passionate n didnt think before i typed lol

[Garybouba]

At the end of the day

Grimes Grime
Dubstep's Dubstep
Skum is a mix between the two

Nuff said tbh

[Retrofreak]

At the end of the day

Grimes Grime
Dubstep's Dubstep
Skum is a mix between the two

Nuff said tbh

No sendage, but I feel that we don't need another name for a musical style that were gonna try and pass off as genre strictly for marketing purposes.

Every time we hear marginally different sounds and give it a name we make the scene smaller and create boxes for our selves.

I've heard tracks that could be labeled Dubstep or Grime ,it just comes down to who's doing it and from what scene it was broken from first.

[FG]

No sendage, but I feel that we don't need another name for a musical style that were gonna try and pass off as genre strictly for marketing purposes.

Every time we hear marginally different sounds and give it a name we make the scene smaller and create boxes for our selves.

I've heard tracks that could be labeled Dubstep or Grime ,it just comes down to who's doing it and from what scene it was broken from first.

real talk

agree with the last point as well, I would say 'Calm Down' (Badman Ting) is a dubstep tune, even though it is played on a regs by grime DJs

[JACK]

real talk

agree with the last point as well, I would say 'Calm Down' (Badman Ting) is a dubstep tune, even though it is played on a regs by grime DJs

i wud deffo call it more grime than dubstep lol

[FG]

lol, fair enough

just proves that there is a croosover, bit pointless trying to distinguish the two on minor features

[Blacksterz]

Agreed, Dubstep and Grime should be able to work together. Trying to pigeon hole a mixture of both is not good and just creates more splits in a scene still trying to prosper.

[Retrofreak]

lol, fair enough

just proves that there is a croosover, bit pointless trying to distinguish the two on minor features

^^^^Real

J Sweet - "Road Angel" could be a Dubstep track
Kromestar make various tracks that could pass for Grime "Weather man" case in point.

[Garybouba]

No sendage, but I feel that we don't need another name for a musical style that were gonna try and pass off as genre strictly for marketing purposes.

Every time we hear marginally different sounds and give it a name we make the scene smaller and create boxes for our selves.

I've heard tracks that could be labeled Dubstep or Grime ,it just comes down to who's doing it and from what scene it was broken from first.

Yea i know what your saying, theres few producers about now who say their making "Skum". R.Demon from MAcabre Unit of one of the big guys making it, its been bought up on DSF a lot as well, i see where your coming from though.

If you listen to it though, its hard to distinct what genre it should be in, sounds more like DnB at about 140bmp and much more grimier with deeper darker bass.

(Not trying to school you lol, just stating info people might find interesting)

[Ghost45]

Dubstep and Grime are alot further apart than they used to be mostly due to inexperienced producers making grime now days. where as in dubstep you've got the veterans of grime, Wonder, Plastician, Geeneus if you listen to their earlier beats they are very boarder line grime/dubstep and could be catorgized as either.

[Ghost45]

Skum is a fucking awfull name for a genre, worse than grime lol

[Miyagi Dan]

Dubstep and Grime are alot further apart than they used to be mostly due to inexperienced producers making grime now days. where as in dubstep you've got the veterans of grime, Wonder, Plastician, Geeneus if you listen to their earlier beats they are very boarder line grime/dubstep and could be catorgized as either.

totally agree, same reason why garage was so big

grime has no veterans, we need people like mj cole,sticky,wookie to make actual structured songs aswel as kids makin 8bar switch tunes and dubs

[Quite a character]

Dubstep and Grime are alot further apart than they used to be mostly due to inexperienced producers making grime now days. where as in dubstep you've got the veterans of grime, Wonder, Plastician, Geeneus if you listen to their earlier beats they are very boarder line grime/dubstep and could be catorgized as either.

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