Buying T's and below par mixtapes is bad for the "scene".

[frankD]

People on this forum seem to cop any old shit.
If Jme sold pictures of him naked people would prob buy them.

If you carry on funding shit music and shit gimmicks, then people will not learn to raise their levels.

[HypeKidd]

I dissagree, even though i don't buy shit. Funding artists creates more funds to be used on projects, making the scene more prosperous for everyone.

[Demos]

If you carry on funding shit music and shit gimmicks, then people will not learn to raise their levels.

real talk.

one reason why i only buy the best stuff

[frankD]

I dissagree, even though i don't buy shit. Funding artists creates more funds to be used on projects, making the scene more prosperous for everyone.

Like they use that money for projects.

And if there music is shit, then maybe they dont need to be doing more projects, and if they do wanna do more projects, maybe they should try and put out some stuff which can cut it.

Hardly anyone in this scene at the mo has real talent.
This scene is so lost it does not know what talent is.

Anyone on this forum could make 1 or 2 big tunes.
But how many people could pull of a whole 12 tracks.
And all this bollocks about people not getting signed, if the tune is big you will get signed.
Look at wearing my rolex. etc

[Tony Starks]

I agree with funding the scene but theres a cut off point when the loyal customer is being ripped off.
If it wernt for the fans being so disapointed with wileys tunnel visions he would have never produced the quality music on grime wave.

[HypeKidd]

Like they use that money for projects.

And if there music is shit, then maybe they dont need to be doing more projects, and if they do wanna do more projects, maybe they should try and put out some stuff which can cut it.

Hardly anyone in this scene at the mo has real talent.
This scene is so lost it does not know what talent is.

You're a very pessimistic person aren't you. No one has talent in the entire scene? Maniac/Flukes/Rude Kidd/Scruface/Rapid Etc. All talentless producers. Ghetto/P-Money/Dizzee/Wiley/Kano/Scorcher/JME/Skepta Etc. All talentless song writers and mcs. If you have that bad views on the scene then why do you care? Why are you here but to actually spread all these threads how the scene is dead? Go away, no one wants to hear it.

[Tony Starks]

But how many people could pull of a whole 12 tracks.
And all this bollocks about people not getting signed, if the tune is big you will get signed.
Look at wearing my rolex. etc
I can name at least ten mcs i feel can pull off a good album.
There has also been many big tunes that just aint being listened to let alone signed....wearing my rolex for the last time isnt grime. we must remember the single has been signed not wiley and not grimewave.

[frankD]

I agree with funding the scene but theres a cut off point when the loyal customer is being ripped off.
If it wernt for the fans being so disapointed with wileys tunnel visions he would have never produced the quality music on grime wave.

I don't understand funding the scene tho.

In dubstep:

People go to rave.
DJ's at rave buy vinyl, up and coming DJ's buy the vinyl they play.
more nights more productions coming out, more up and coming dj's and producers. Scene grows.

In Grime:

People buy Mixtape.
The mixtape funds indivduals it does not have a knock on effect to benifit the scene.

[frankD]

You're a very pessimistic person aren't you. No one has talent in the entire scene? Maniac/Flukes/Rude Kidd/Scruface/Rapid Etc. All talentless producers. Ghetto/P-Money/Dizzee/Wiley/Kano/Scorcher/JME/Skepta Etc. All talentless song writers and mcs. If you have that bad views on the scene then why do you care? Why are you here but to actually spread all these threads how the scene is dead? Go away, no one wants to hear it.

Hardly anyone I said.

And if thats all you can mention then you have proved my point.

[Tony Starks]

I dissagree, even though i don't buy shit.
first you say this then you go on like some defender of the scene.
money...mouth.... figure it out.

[frankD]

I can name at least ten mcs i feel can pull off a good album.
There has also been many big tunes that just aint being listened to let alone signed....wearing my rolex for the last time isnt grime. we must remember the single has been signed not wiley and not grimewave.

But I just mean in general if a tune is big it will get signed. Whatever genre.

A lot of the big acts have weaknesses in there trade which means time and time again they seem to fall slightly short of the point.

I could name 7.

[HypeKidd]

first you say this then you go on like some defender of the scene.
money...mouth.... figure it out.

No, i say that then express my opinion on it.

[HypeKidd]

Hardly anyone I said.

And if thats all you can mention then you have proved my point.

You know when you type ect. it means and so on... As in theres more but you catch the drift. I'm not going to sit here and write every mc or producer i rate... Stop being a retard.

['nuum general]

I am guilty of buying some pretty weak mix cds. I prefer to have cdq versions of tracks to logan rips though.

[HypeKidd]

And all this bollocks about people not getting signed, if the tune is big you will get signed.
Look at wearing my rolex. etc

Lol, you edited the post to back up your argument and put that in. I'm not even going to read your posts ever again. Saying that made me understand how high i would ever rate your opinion. Big tune that wearing my rolex :dozey:

[frankD]

You know when you type ect. it means and so on... As in theres more but you catch the drift. I'm not going to sit here and write every mc or producer i rate... Stop being a retard.

no when do you type ect?

I rate your mum etc. like that?

By the way im thinking outside the box here.
Jme or whatever may be the best in the scene.
But stick JME on stage with a young Michael Jackson, or Al Green.
Stick Skepta on stage with Jay Z. Or Wiley on stage with Mozart.

In the scheme of all things musical that have been its easy to spot who has a natural born ability.

[frankD]

Lol, you edited the post to back up your argument and put that in. I'm not even going to read your posts ever again. Saying that made me understand how high i would ever rate your opinion. Big tune that wearing my rolex :dozey:

Its lacking something, but its has the foundations to be a massive tune.
The drum pattern is solid, and Wiley lyrics work better on that track than any other track ive heard him on.

[HypeKidd]

no when do you type ect?

I rate your mum etc. like that?

By the way im thinking outside the box here.
Jme or whatever may be the best in the scene.
But stick JME on stage with a young Michael Jackson, or Al Green.
Stick Skepta on stage with Jay Z. Or Wiley on stage with Mozart.

In the scheme of all things musical that have been its easy to spot who has a natural born ability.

Ah, no thats not when you write etc. you spastick. Do you know what, i'm not going to educate and illiterate tone death retard. JME's the best in the scene aswell ay? Jesus Christ alow you. I said before i wouldn't reply to you again and now im sticking to it.

[ALM]

no when do you type ect?

I rate your mum etc. like that?

By the way im thinking outside the box here.
Jme or whatever may be the best in the scene.
But stick JME on stage with a young Michael Jackson, or Al Green.
Stick Skepta on stage with Jay Z. Or Wiley on stage with Mozart.

In the scheme of all things musical that have been its easy to spot who has a natural born ability.

lol at comparing genres and generations just cant happen imo.

This however is why dubstep or any instrumental genre will never produce a cd that every person owns, because they lack lyrics and therfore can never represent a genration

your analogy was ridiculus imagine comparing benga to beethoven.

Or the sex pistols to toastie.

CANNOT HAPPEN

[frankD]

Ah, no thats not when you write etc. you spastick. Do you know what, i'm not going to educate and illiterate tone death retard. JME's the best in the scene aswell ay? Jesus Christ alow you. I said before i wouldn't reply to you again and now im sticking to it.

I raped you mum, She tried to file charges against me but the police raped her too.

You dad is a long distance lorry driver from Doncaster with a tatoo of pingu on his leg.

Go watch UK gold with your rape victim mum and weirdo dad.

[Wiz]

lol @ Wiley on stage with Mozart

Stick Dizzee on stage with N.E.R.D or The Sugar Hill Gang and he rips up the concert.

[frankD]

lol at comparing genres and generations just cant happen imo.

This however is why dubstep or any instrumental genre will never produce a cd that every person owns, because they lack lyrics and therfore can never represent a genration

your analogy was ridiculus imagine comparing benga to beethoven.

Or the sex pistols to toastie.

CANNOT HAPPEN

There music wise.
Buy vocal performer wise you could.
I did say Skepta and Jay Z.

[frankD]

lol @ Wiley on stage with Mozart

Stick Dizzee on stage with N.E.R.D or The Sugar Hill Gang and he rips up the concert.

But he is raw talent. so thats why he deserves to bless the stage with them guys.

[ALM]

There music wise.
Buy vocal performer wise you could.
I did say Skepta and Jay Z.

maybe but still largely irrelevant if your comparing anyway for me boy in the corner>>>>>reasonable doubt because it is more relavent to me, does this make dizzee rascal better than jay z? Perhaps not, but it does to me.

[Retrofreak]

Theirs only a couple of MC's that I could put on a world stage to be honest.
The rest need a lot of work imo.

[Wiz]

So you think we should wait until one of our acts is on the level of commercially successful USA artists before we support them?

[frankD]

maybe but still largely irrelevant if your comparing anyway for me boy in the corner>>>>>reasonable doubt because it is more relavent to me, does this make dizzee rascal better than jay z? Perhaps not, but it does to me.

Put it this way, say we did a uk urban x factor with simon cowell as judge.
I think you would be suprised at the results.

[hyperfrank]

If I like and want to wear a tshirt, I'll bloody wear it no1 on a forum will or can tell me differently. If I don't like a mixtape I won't buy it. If I like someone's music ill buy it no matter what other people say, I like to make my own view on something. I go to most raves/nights and pay my way (most times thats if I'm not literally skint). If there was more to buy and to get involved, I would get it - If i like it then fuck it. Tooooo many people are worried about looking like a beg friend or some homo. What's a bit homo and beg friend is when you watch tooooo much what people think and say and don't do what you actually want to do. If you want to wear a bbk tshirt, BUY IT and wear it. If you love Wiley's music go and bloody buy his mixtape/album and go see him live.

[MedellinManDem]

If I like and want to wear a tshirt, I'll bloody wear it no1 on a forum will or can tell me differently. If I don't like a mixtape I won't buy it. If I like someone's music ill buy it no matter what other people say, I like to make my own view on something. I go to most raves/nights and pay my way (most times thats if I'm not literally skint). If there was more to buy and to get involved, I would get it - If i like it then fuck it. Tooooo many people are worried about looking like a beg friend or some homo. What's a bit homo and beg friend is when you watch tooooo much what people think and say and don't do what you actually want to do. If you want to wear a bbk tshirt, BUY IT and wear it. If you love Wiley's music go and bloody buy his mixtape/album and go see him live.

Yeah, do what she says

[Grimes]

Yeah, do what she says

Wouldn't that defeat the point

[frankD]

So you think we should wait until one of our acts is on the level of commercially successful USA artists before we support them?

The UK would be a start.

This is what I mean and ill say it once.

Grime has a lot of bring ins. and they have hype round them because of who they roll with etc.

Some people just seem to buy anything grime related, and I just feel if people are not selective with what they buy then people who have a name but no talent will continue to grace our scene, while some mad talent who has no links is being 100% ignored.

I just dont like the way people go on like just buying up everything is a great move for the scene because it isnt. its the great thing for the person whose product it is. But the benifits goes no futher than that persons pocket.

If you buy compilations then you do benifit the scene.

Bassline has already 2 no.2 hits this year and people told me that Heartbroken was a one off, and loads of bassline tracks have been signed.

Electro grime refixes have been snapped up. They have even took a devlin track and kicked the guy of his own track by having sly talks with the producer and looking for electo acts to step in.

I just think unless everyone goes mainstream all at once. This scene will not be able to self sustain itself.

[frankD]

Wouldn't that defeat the point

LMAO.. Checkmate.

[hyperfrank]

Although it works both ways...
I'm very iffy about buying a wiley mixtape after the terrible dickhead movements f tunnel vision 3 + releases. He took his fans for mugs. If you can see that someone has genuinely put their all into something and you enjoy their music then theres no real excuse. But I think people need to stop being half hearted otherwise you can't blame fans for doing the same. If you are going to do something do it with your full passion, creativity and love of the music.

It works both ways....

[ALM]

The UK would be a start.

This is what I mean and ill say it once.

Grime has a lot of bring ins. and they have hype round them because of who they roll with etc.

Some people just seem to buy anything grime related, and I just feel if people are not selective with what they buy then people who have a name but no talent will continue to grace our scene, while some mad talent who has no links is being 100% ignored.

I just dont like the way people go on like just buying up everything is a great move for the scene because it isnt. its the great thing for the person whose product it is. But the benifits goes no futher than that persons pocket.

If you buy compilations then you do benifit the scene.

Bassline has already 2 no.2 hits this year and people told me that Heartbroken was a one off, and loads of bassline tracks have been signed.

Electro grime refixes have been snapped up. They have even took a devlin track and kicked the guy of his own track by having sly talks with the producer and looking for electo acts to step in.

I just think unless everyone goes mainstream all at once. This scene will not be able to self sustain itself.

You are wrong London will always produce a handful of Mc's who are worldclass each generation.

Dizzee Rascal, Kano, Wiley, Durrty Goodz, Ghetto.

Maybe the next generation will only have 1 or 2 exceptional artists but they will always have an audience.

Go to any normal secondary school in London, Grime is what the kids listen to.

[MedellinManDem]

LMAO.. Checkmate.

It seems the irony was lost on both of you.

[hyperfrank]

If I see people are taking the piss with my money
I will think 57 times before I ever buy again.
That goes with Tshirts...
My bbk T lasted 2weeks.
Completely fell apart.

[frankD]

Although it works both ways...
I'm very iffy about buying a wiley mixtape after the terrible dickhead movements f tunnel vision 3 + releases. He took his fans for mugs. If you can see that someone has genuinely put their all into something and you enjoy their music then theres no real excuse. But I think people need to stop being half hearted otherwise you can't blame fans for doing the same. If you are going to do something do it with your full passion, creativity and love of the music.

It works both ways....

Thats what I mean. Exactly.

Maybe I didnt mean talent, maybe I meant passion.

You can fake passion up to a point, but its easy to tell when someones on a quick money flex.
BBK T's were an original idea and if they have the demand they would be mugs not to sell them.

But that Eski Beat T-shirt, and some recent mixtapes were all about the money and not about the music.

And to me its all about the music. And that being real, not being gangster but repping the sound.

[frankD]

It seems the irony was lost on both of you.

Im sorry. I love you (no homo) (nothing wrong with being homo tho) (no homo) (.....just saying) (ah ok then!..No homo)

[MedellinManDem]

Im sorry. I love you (no homo) (nothing wrong with being homo tho) (no homo) (.....just saying) (ah ok then!..No homo)

LOL.

[Wiz]

But that Eski Beat T-shirt, and some recent mixtapes were all about the money and not about the music.

And to me its all about the music. And that being real, not being gangster but repping the sound.
For most of these artists it's never been about the music, it's always been about the money, and if not the money it's for the rep/fame.

Loads of MCs are about because they don't want normal jobs, they want the easy life, that's also why a lot of drug dealers are about, that's why it comes hand in hand for some people.

[MedellinManDem]

For most of these artists it's never been about the music, it's always been about the money, and if not the money it's for the rep/fame.

Loads of MCs are about because they don't want normal jobs, they want the easy life, that's also why a lot of drug dealers are about, that's why it comes hand in hand for some people.

Standard. There are about three artists I can think of who appear to do this for the love of the game.

[Demos]

Standard. There are about three artists I can think of who appear to do this for the love of the game.

and who are they may i ask?

[Wiz]

and who are they may i ask?
!

[hyperfrank]

Nah I can think of at least 10 ppl who love off the music and getting money for it is a bonus.

[Wiz]

For example? (2 or 3)

[4737]

I don't understand funding the scene tho.

In dubstep:

People go to rave.
DJ's at rave buy vinyl, up and coming DJ's buy the vinyl they play.
more nights more productions coming out, more up and coming dj's and producers. Scene grows.

In Grime:

People buy Mixtape.
The mixtape funds indivduals it does not have a knock on effect to benifit the scene.

real fkin talk!

t.

[feasible_weasel]

:stunned:
Moneys the problem with the scene,and being controlled by mc's......
firstly most mc's bait hip-hop badly...and the stupid fame people expect, look at the signing hype,when kanye put a video blog or devlin and ppl starting going into one about getting signed and he could be as big as kanye crap.
MANS HAVE TO ACCEPT THAT THEY ARE NOT IN THE USA AND NOBODYS GOING TO GET SIGNED AND BE A BIG RAP STAR. AMERICA DONT LIKE UK RAP,AND THE MORE GRIME IS TURNED INTO RAP THE LESS PEOPLE WILL CARE. look at dubstep...it knows what it is as a genre. unless we get good mc's like goodz who can at least have a style apart from ppl just talking like a rapper. garage and drum n bass flow >>>>> grime. for originality. and thank fuck for ppl like maniac and forum mandem here making real grime instrumentals. so sick of heatmakers,dipset samples and drum patterns. im not stupid i can hear the fucking patterns and when ppl do stuff like sample crunk basslines etc.
THE MCS NEED TO GO BACK TO BEING RAVE MC'S AND LET THE INSTRUMENTALS GET BACK TO UK UNDERGROUND MUSIC.
and jme needs to make tshirts that last longer, skepta should stop trying to be a rap star.

[Demos]

:stunned:
Moneys the problem with the scene,and being controlled by mc's......
firstly most mc's bait hip-hop badly...and the stupid fame people expect, look at the signing hype,when kanye put a video blog or devlin and ppl starting going into one about getting signed and he could be as big as kanye crap.
MANS HAVE TO ACCEPT THAT THEY ARE NOT IN THE USA AND NOBODYS GOING TO GET SIGNED AND BE A BIG RAP STAR. AMERICA DONT LIKE UK RAP,AND THE MORE GRIME IS TURNED INTO RAP THE LESS PEOPLE WILL CARE. look at dubstep...it knows what it is as a genre. unless we get good mc's like goodz who can at least have a style apart from ppl just talking like a rapper. garage and drum n bass flow >>>>> grime. for originality. and thank fuck for ppl like maniac and forum mandem here making real grime instrumentals. so sick of heatmakers,dipset samples and drum patterns. im not stupid i can hear the fucking patterns and when ppl do stuff like sample crunk basslines etc.
THE MCS NEED TO GO BACK TO BEING RAVE MC'S AND LET THE INSTRUMENTALS GET BACK TO UK UNDERGROUND MUSIC.
and jme needs to make tshirts that last longer, skepta should stop trying to be a rap star.

real talk

d.

['nuum general]

:stunned:
Moneys the problem with the scene,and being controlled by mc's......
firstly most mc's bait hip-hop badly...and the stupid fame people expect, look at the signing hype,when kanye put a video blog or devlin and ppl starting going into one about getting signed and he could be as big as kanye crap.
MANS HAVE TO ACCEPT THAT THEY ARE NOT IN THE USA AND NOBODYS GOING TO GET SIGNED AND BE A BIG RAP STAR. AMERICA DONT LIKE UK RAP,AND THE MORE GRIME IS TURNED INTO RAP THE LESS PEOPLE WILL CARE. look at dubstep...it knows what it is as a genre. unless we get good mc's like goodz who can at least have a style apart from ppl just talking like a rapper. garage and drum n bass flow >>>>> grime. for originality. and thank fuck for ppl like maniac and forum mandem here making real grime instrumentals. so sick of heatmakers,dipset samples and drum patterns. im not stupid i can hear the fucking patterns and when ppl do stuff like sample crunk basslines etc.
THE MCS NEED TO GO BACK TO BEING RAVE MC'S AND LET THE INSTRUMENTALS GET BACK TO UK UNDERGROUND MUSIC.
and jme needs to make tshirts that last longer, skepta should stop trying to be a rap star.

yes!!!

[hyperfrank]

problem is how can they go back to being rave mcs if theres hardly any raves for them to mc at.

[4737]

I'd also add that:

In Dubstep:
International. Thousands of people make this music globally, most cities have their own little scenes going on, there's an abundance of people running labels, promoting shows and pressing vinyl. A general sense of open-mindedness permeates the scene. People going off on tangents, trying new things and pushing the envelope, are encouraged. No snotty-nosed bitching about postcodes, places of origin or other irrelevant junk.

In Grime:
Almost exclusively London. There are only a handful of people given any recognition by their own scene. No real labels. Only a handful of people willing to promote shows. Too many bring-ins for sub-par spitters. Too much orchestrated hype. Too many people expecting the scene to magically "blow" despite very few artists putting anything approaching the term "work" in. Insular, ignorant and narrow minded attitudes are commonplace. The same beats appear on multiple releases. Most producers and MCs follow the same old formula. Poor artists lauded as great because the bandwagon says so.

For grime to survive and become something more than just a once-promising, once-significant footnote in UK Underground Music, some serious lessons have to be learned.

t.

[Grimes]

regression isn't the answer. ostracism is, i suggest banning bless beats from making mixtapes, this will be the first steps in creating a perfect scene

[4737]

regression isn't the answer. ostracism is, i suggest banning bless beats from making mixtapes, this will be the first steps in creating a perfect scene

Quote of the year! :D :alot:

t.

[feasible_weasel]

problem is how can they go back to being rave mcs if theres hardly any raves for them to mc at.
i see wot ur saying. we are getting to a stage soon where just from pure age of the genre,that maturity sets in. a reckon u will beable to do grime raves again soon. its all up to the people making the instrumentals, to move dipset samples and rexs into the recycle bin. and use uk sounds from our own music history.

[Ferret]

Go to any normal secondary school in London, Grime is what the kids listen to.

But 90% of them are downloading it all not buying it.




Anyway. If I like a CD then Im buying it, normally I download it first to make sure I aint getting mugged off but if Im into it then it gets bought.

[adidasgrandad]

People on this forum seem to cop any old shit.
If Jme sold pictures of him naked people would prob buy them.

If you carry on funding shit music and shit gimmicks, then people will not learn to raise their levels.

co signed.
wileys tunnel vision cd's for example...he knows his fans are going to buy it because his names attached to it. easy money to him

[Grimes]

But 90% of them are downloading it all not buying it.



Tis true

[frankD]

I always thought it was Logans Breed of DJ who started the decline in my eyes of the grime scene.

2003-4 he was the no.1 dj for playing vocals.
He wanted to push the "artist".

What he and the other DJ Cameo types did not realize is that when you push the artist, them artists then have the power to dictate the future course of events. And in 2005 what happens.... Roll Deep drop the biggest disappointment in grime yet.

DJ's need to regain power over the mc's.
The DJ needs to play what the people want, it seems that people just take what they are given.

When Logan moans about the scene and lack of bookings, I truly belive he dug his own grave.
The scene needed to bubble on the underground before acts did the artist thing. Garage ceased to carry on after everyone and thier dog wanted to be an artist.

[Jack Aggy]

I agree, to an extent. Ive only recently started buying grime music, before it was a standard download. Which, in honesty was a good idea on my part as only about 10% of stuff i downloaded was worth buying.
which im now going and purchasing for collections sake, but your right. If i'd bought a bag of these mixcd's and found that id wasted my money i never would have done it again.
Theres really no solution though, unfortunately, theirs always gonna be poor material.

[Grimes]

Action needs to be taken

[adidasgrandad]

as the listeners grow up, get jobs and get more money they will start to buy the music more. if i was 12/13 and still living in london id be using limewire too

[MedellinManDem]

On a real tip, the only grime things I've bought are DVDs, because man have longed off giving them to me.

The only mixtapes I've ever wanted to pay for were Ghetto Gospel and Teacher's Training Day. I just couldn't find them in the shops, and refuse to pay online for them.

[Quite a character]

You're a very pessimistic person aren't you. No one has talent in the entire scene? Maniac/Flukes/Rude Kidd/Scruface/Rapid Etc. All talentless producers. Ghetto/P-Money/Dizzee/Wiley/Kano/Scorcher/JME/Skepta Etc. All talentless song writers and mcs. If you have that bad views on the scene then why do you care? Why are you here but to actually spread all these threads how the scene is dead? Go away, no one wants to hear it.

bad choices there

[MedellinManDem]

LOL @ saying Maniac and Rapid are talentless.

[Grimes]

why didn't no1 clock that earlier

[Jay]

he was being sarcastic

[DaBlackAlbino]

You can't really say grime has no benefit to anyone anywhere whatsoever.

Because of this genre of music I can MC to a level above the average you'd hear,I can write deep hip-hop type bars and hype grimey bars.. and UK music (particularly grime music) has influenced,re-encouraged and taught me how to do that.

Education is a big problem when it comes to music; eg: your population is dumb then the music they create is going to be alot less innovative and the quality/health of that particular type of music or scene drops.

When I say intelligence, I don't mean shit you learn from a book or a teacher; take Black The Ripper for example guy is like what, 20? works in sainsburys; has no GCSEs; in the big wide world he'd be looked at as a complete deadout guy. Listen to his lyrics and how he puts himself across; listen to his interviews on radio. Guy is obviously very smart and posesses alot more intelligence than your average emo kid gettin his degree at uni; probably didn't go down that path due to laziness, lack of opportunity or stupid shit he may of got caught up in.

He's highly literate, understands english to a high level alongside word structure while also understanding sounds as well as devices that can be incorporated into song writing and flow. He has a very good psychological mind model to keep his appearance and mental health strong which he keeps to consistantly (tough job in this world) though it's probably got a lot of holes in (understandably, we live in England, the average person is a numbskull; especially when it comes to our generation where being smart is 'uncool') which only takes from your ability.

Deriving from ability EG: Smart person is surrounded by people of lower intelligence or attitude to intelligence = brain isnt used so much = concentration and use of brain is lowered,effectively depletin intelligence - intelligence is the speed at which you can understand, learn and execute knowledge

"da levels bein shit" or "less healthy than amaccably adviseable" is a result of a failing social structure, culture and educational system.

Sorry if you couldn't read this post, it's only meant for those who can possibly relate to what I'm saying and digest it.. I can be too much.

[Anonymous]

You can't really say grime has no benefit to anyone anywhere whatsoever.

Because of this genre of music I can MC to a level above the average you'd hear,I can write deep hip-hop type bars and hype grimey bars.. and UK music (particularly grime music) has influenced,re-encouraged and taught me how to do that.

Education is a big problem when it comes to music; eg: your population is dumb then the music they create is going to be alot less innovative and the quality/health of that particular type of music or scene drops. When I say intelligence, I don't mean shit you learn from a book or a teacher; take Black The Ripper for example guy is like what, 20? works in sainsburys; has no GCSEs; in the big wide world he'd be looked at as a complete deadout guy. Listen to his lyrics and how he puts himself across; listen to his interviews on radio. Guy is obviously very smart and posesses alot more intelligence than your average emo kid gettin his degree at uni; probably didn't go down that path due to laziness, lack of opportunity or stupid shit he may of got caught up in. He's highly literate, understands english to a high level alongside word structure and sounds as well as devices that can be incorporated into song writing and flow. He has a very good psychological mind model to keep his appearance and mental health strong which he keeps to consistantly (tough job in this world) though it's probably got a lot of holes in (understandably, we live in England, the average person is a numbskull; especially when it comes to our generation where being smart is 'uncool') which only takes from your ability.

"da levels bein shit" or "less healthy than amaccably adviseable" is a result of a failing social structure, culture and educational system.

Sorry if you couldn't read this post, it's only meant for those who can possibly relate to what I'm saying and digest it.. I can be too much.

Very Good Point But You Went On About Black The Ripper A Little Too Much In Particular But I See What You Are Saying.

[Jae Dave]

if i like it, ill buy it -- if its a mixtape/album or a shirt ill kop it as long as its alot...

[Breathe Beats]

You can't really say grime has no benefit to anyone anywhere whatsoever.

Because of this genre of music I can MC to a level above the average you'd hear,I can write deep hip-hop type bars and hype grimey bars.. and UK music (particularly grime music) has influenced,re-encouraged and taught me how to do that.

Education is a big problem when it comes to music; eg: your population is dumb then the music they create is going to be alot less innovative and the quality/health of that particular type of music or scene drops.

When I say intelligence, I don't mean shit you learn from a book or a teacher; take Black The Ripper for example guy is like what, 20? works in sainsburys; has no GCSEs; in the big wide world he'd be looked at as a complete deadout guy. Listen to his lyrics and how he puts himself across; listen to his interviews on radio. Guy is obviously very smart and posesses alot more intelligence than your average emo kid gettin his degree at uni; probably didn't go down that path due to laziness, lack of opportunity or stupid shit he may of got caught up in.

He's highly literate, understands english to a high level alongside word structure while also understanding sounds as well as devices that can be incorporated into song writing and flow. He has a very good psychological mind model to keep his appearance and mental health strong which he keeps to consistantly (tough job in this world) though it's probably got a lot of holes in (understandably, we live in England, the average person is a numbskull; especially when it comes to our generation where being smart is 'uncool') which only takes from your ability.

Deriving from ability EG: Smart person is surrounded by people of lower intelligence or attitude to intelligence = brain isnt used so much = concentration and use of brain is lowered,effectively depletin intelligence - intelligence is the speed at which you can understand, learn and execute knowledge

"da levels bein shit" or "less healthy than amaccably adviseable" is a result of a failing social structure, culture and educational system.

Sorry if you couldn't read this post, it's only meant for those who can possibly relate to what I'm saying and digest it.. I can be too much.

that was a good read

[D-Structo]

The main thing thats bad for the grime scene

People are making tunes for pc.

When you play them tunes ona stereo now... that shit sounds appauling.

With all my new stuff i check it on 3 diff audio outputs before i finalise it.

Buying T-Shirts is kl... BUT it needs to be something that everyone can wear but that still links to the grime scene in someway.... a nice catchy slogan will do the trick and a good design... good quality material.

[Grimes]

You can't really say grime has no benefit to anyone anywhere whatsoever.

Because of this genre of music I can MC to a level above the average you'd hear,I can write deep hip-hop type bars and hype grimey bars.. and UK music (particularly grime music) has influenced,re-encouraged and taught me how to do that.

Education is a big problem when it comes to music; eg: your population is dumb then the music they create is going to be alot less innovative and the quality/health of that particular type of music or scene drops.

When I say intelligence, I don't mean shit you learn from a book or a teacher; take Black The Ripper for example guy is like what, 20? works in sainsburys; has no GCSEs; in the big wide world he'd be looked at as a complete deadout guy. Listen to his lyrics and how he puts himself across; listen to his interviews on radio. Guy is obviously very smart and posesses alot more intelligence than your average emo kid gettin his degree at uni; probably didn't go down that path due to laziness, lack of opportunity or stupid shit he may of got caught up in.

He's highly literate, understands english to a high level alongside word structure while also understanding sounds as well as devices that can be incorporated into song writing and flow. He has a very good psychological mind model to keep his appearance and mental health strong which he keeps to consistantly (tough job in this world) though it's probably got a lot of holes in (understandably, we live in England, the average person is a numbskull; especially when it comes to our generation where being smart is 'uncool') which only takes from your ability.

Deriving from ability EG: Smart person is surrounded by people of lower intelligence or attitude to intelligence = brain isnt used so much = concentration and use of brain is lowered,effectively depletin intelligence - intelligence is the speed at which you can understand, learn and execute knowledge

"da levels bein shit" or "less healthy than amaccably adviseable" is a result of a failing social structure, culture and educational system.

Sorry if you couldn't read this post, it's only meant for those who can possibly relate to what I'm saying and digest it.. I can be too much.
Interesting post

The second half of your post you kind of toppled into incoherency also i would advise you not to listen to black the ripper's lyrics in a complete literal sense as he tends to add hyperbole to his verses

[Hij]

This thread will be back in a minute when Ive deleted some of the crap within it.