Vinyl has been eliminated

[The Elijah]

http://music.guardian.co.uk/urban/story/0,,2242297,00.html

READ, THINK, DISCUSS (in a grime context)

Ill add my points about how grime can get around this. after i have had my sunday roast

[TRU_G]

There's too many vinyl purists for it to be completely eradicated from other scenes

[frankD]

Vinyls were the best thing about grime.

Pressing costs acted as quality control, but if vinyl is dead, so must be cd.

[The Elijah]

Vinyls were the best thing about grime.

Pressing costs acted as quality control, but if vinyl is dead, so must be cd.

i totally agree with pressing acting as quality control.

but ive heard some appauling dubstep and bassline vinyl releases recently.

['nuum general]

The fact that there has only been 1 grime release on vinyl in 2008 tells its own story. unfortunately it means that getting copies of records is now only possible in most cases by been a dj in the scene or beggin of msn/myspace

[Aza T]

Even Majors are saying Cds are dying...

[TRU_G]

i totally agree with pressing acting as quality control.

but ive heard some appauling dubstep and bassline vinyl releases recently.

Yer man, everydubstep bedroom DJ and his dog has a record label nowadays, it just isn't needed


Even Majors are saying Cds are dying...

That's only because they want to be the fore-runners when something big happens so they don't get left behind

[Steez]

Paying for music is dying ... hold tight the people ready to subscribe.

[Retrofreak]

I love vinyl, but were living in the era of quantity over quality.

I think we should just embrace the changes and find new ways of making money instead of dwelling in the past.

I personally believe that video is the future and more of us should focus on making, high quality, innovative visuals to run along side the audio...(on a shoe string budget of course) lol

[Pred]

Everyone has got it twisted, there's too much "I can be big" when they can't. No one is realistic.

Vinyl is a tradition but is expensive to maintain. It's the best for technical mixing, but you don't see that in Grime these days. The only people who ever do that are a couple major DJs...or other scenes.

[The Elijah]

Paying for music is dying ... hold tight the people ready to subscribe.

nail on the head

[4737]

Formats are one thing, quality of product is another.

Dubstep's vinyl scene is healthy, so naturally everyone and their dog will be making records, because the market is there. And if the product is shoddy, it probably won't shift units. That's why you have big producers at the top, and the fledgling artists at the bottom.

If producers wanna make money, they'll have to find viable ways of getting their music out there. Digital downloads are a start, but not the be-all and end-all. I think a three-pronged approach of physical releases (vinyl, CD, etc), digital downloads and some innovative video work would be the best approach.

Focussing on solely one format and ignoring or neglecting others means some aspects become stagnant (look at grime vids of late). You don't have to be spending bare cash to get a quality product out there, you just have to think outside the box and work with emerging creative talent rather than constantly relying on tried-and-tested methods. Digging a little deeper into other scenes and commandeering some of those elements could work wonders.

At least, that's what I think.

t.

[DJ Mad Vybez]

love vinyl but u have to move with the times

[4737]

Love vinyl but have to move with the times? Serato. Solved.

t.

[BG1]

Vinyl is tooo big, CD are good because I can listen to them on my cd player when i go college.

[whats_the_score?]

Vinyl is tooo big, CD are good because I can listen to them on my cd player when i go college.

you still use a tape player too?

[Skola]

Times are changing...

So it the technology and therefore, the market.

People need to adapt and discover how to generate revenue and maximise the use of these new outlets.

Consider this:

You can distribute your music, worldwide, for free.

People just arent really sure how to use the new technology to their benefit.

You never know, maybe one day the music itself will be free but GIGS will be more and more frequent, and higher in price.

Not that thats the most likely thing to happen but, the music business is set for a BIG change, thats for sure.

[The Elijah]

music 4 free is a concept that people are using.. swear radiohead did that, and another famous violinist. its juss easy press 4 dem.

dey put it out, den put it on cd, and say if u wana pay 4 it, please do.


den booking money 4 dem is disgusting. major labels are pissed doh.

Innovative Indie labels are the way fwd. a mixture of free downloads, vinyl, cd, legal download would be good 4 mixtape promotion.


Something like ghetto gospel would of had much better promo if dey used the full mix when it actually came out. I still dont own top 3 seleced instrumental or stageshow don instrumental = humble

[frankD]

something big will come into place.

I think mp3 will die out in the next ten years.

['nuum general]

I think that producers would shift units if they put out a cd of ten instrumentals for djs. The likes of Wiley, Maniac, DOK, Rudekid just to name would be a straight cop

edit: the mp3 dying out comment, the only way mp3 will die is if there is a new format which can compress the audio more without losing the quality

[Steez]

Subscription channels and labels. More choice, one prices. Royalties based on downloads.

Further profits based on merchandise and tours.

Still not sure about the 360 deals they do at majors now though, seems like the labels want to eat away at everything making money.

[bailey_187]

no vinyl and not many isntrumental scenes makes it hard for new DJs.

bare younger DJs get called/are leakers or have leaked tunes e.g. scope, limit

[frankD]

I think the future is where you own a player and you subscribe and then you stream the music (fast wifi) and listen to that music, but dont own it.

The more plays someone gets the bigger percentage of the sub money they get.

MP3 is great, but it aint just grime guys not making money, majors and hightstreet cd shops are losing millions.

A lot of labels are holding back releases till things change.

['nuum general]

streaming is useless for djs though. Also i can't put it on my ipod & cannot listen if i'm not online

[Blimey]

Im always gonna buy cds, i like to have something physical. Mp3s are throwaway. I really hope more big producers bring out instrumental cds, Davinche's and Low Deeps releases were both big. (To any producers reading, i beg u dont mix them)

[frankD]

Im always gonna buy cds, i like to have something physical. Mp3s are throwaway. I really hope more big producers bring out instrumental cds, Davinche's and Low Deeps releases were both big. (To any producers reading, i beg u dont mix them)

or do a two cd, one mixed and one unmixed.

[DJYOUNG1]

This Would Never Happen To The Drum N Bass Scene So Y Grime?

[Blazey]

This Would Never Happen To The Drum N Bass Scene So Y Grime?

Because Grime (unfortunately) because completely Mc based, and instrumentals became secondary, sad state of affairs when not many dj's cannot play a set with 100% new grime riddems.

Even Logan has been playing Dubstep recently.

[The Elijah]

dubstep grime tomato tomAto

[bailey_187]

dubstep grime tomato tomAto

some is different still

[frankD]

Grime being an mc based is a major mistake.

We took a dance genre which was complimented by mc's to host and hype the night, and turned it into London's very own hip hop, with some edge and a musical twist.

Dubstep and Bassline has already outshone Grime.

Grime is slowly merging into the whole channel U movement.
All them guys on their myspace grinds and mixtapes.

[DJYOUNG1]

mixing cd's will never come close to mixing with vinyls no matter what.
All this downloading sh#t f'd up grime as well as having an effect on every 1 who releases music in any way as it will get downloaded illegally.

[Ari Gold]

i just wanna buy vinyls :(