Grime is dead

[The Elijah]

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I hate to bring up old shit, but this article written by Logan Sama in May 2007 for RWD still stands. Durrty Goodz went on cameos show this week, and said Logan's Grime tees are one of the Grime Killers. Here's the interview (http://www.mediafire.com/?dhm2k2d2gyi)


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"Grime is dead. Didn't you know? I have heard it said in a couple of interviews by non-grime artists. I've read it on a couple blogs. Heard it from DJ's that used to play Grime.

Yeh man, I agree. It is dead. If you are looking to jump on a grime tune or do a track with Grime artists to get a little hype for yourself and your career, it's dead for you. If you are a major label looking to cherry pick the most exciting UK urban acts and repackage them into watered down pop friendly parcels with music that sounds NOTHING like what we do down here in the grime scene, it's dead for you.

If you are looking to rinse out the scene for money and then fuck off without ever investing in grass roots, it's dead for you. If you are looking to use the scene to get a name for your productions so you can run away and do pop, RnB and Hip Hop tunes and develop 'artists', it's dead for you. If you don't actually give a shit about Grime and would stop doing it if you thought you couldn't get paid from it...... please believe it is dead for you.

Kindly leave out the side door and we won't say anything about it. The rest of us can get on with what we have always done and continue to make Grime. Some of the most exciting innovative music which gives voice to a disaffected, troubled generation of Britain's youth. And we all love it. But if the people who want to use it think that it is dead, that's fucking wonderful in my eyes.

More independent labels, more DIY attitudes from artists like JME, more power and control over our sound and how we promote it to the world. Less pressure to show how versatile we are by doing derogative dull hip hop freestyles that no one actually cares about. More appreciation of artists who can sit down and pen a song about something touching without having to compromise the genre of music they do because they don't have the belief in it. More people being proud to stand up and say "I am a Grime artist" even when they are voicing a dancehall, hip hop or pop record.

Doing something different and unique is the only sure fire way of getting noticed. When everyone is going one way, the pioneers go the opposite. And if you want to follow the heard into the promised land of obscurity amongst the herds or Hip Hop and House and Pop acts who will never be the kings of their field, then that side door is still open for you to exit stage left.

Masters at Work, Dave Morales, Roger Sanchez. They will never care about you or your house music. Jay Z, Nas, 50 Cent... they will never care about your Hip Hop. Unless you do it for the love, be prepared to join a very long list of people trying to make it in that scene all scrambling for money. Crumbs off the table of giants in that industry. I respect al the artists who do it for the love. If you love Hip hop, more power to you for making it. If you love house, respect for sticking with it. If you are in this shit to make money, and you bounce round whatever scene you think will get you paid, tough luck.

But yeh. Grime is dead. If you don't love it, don't try and make it. Don't try and get into it. There's no money for you here. Piss off. We'll keep it our secret until such time that we are ready to bring it to the wider world on our own terms. When it will get played on daytime radio as it is, without having to sample 80s pop records or bring in someone else to give it credibility to middle of the road out of touch playlist execs.

In fact, I might even put that on a T shirt. Grime is dead. Fuck off and leave it alone. There's nothing here for you to exploit. Bye"

The same still applies now. There's even 2009 examples of a few of the statements made, it's spooky.

Buy your Grime is Dead t shirts here. (http://www.uptownrecords.com/store/product_info.php?cPath=59_72&products_id=1803)

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Go to the actual article on Butterz blogspot (http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/Butterzcouk/~3/533381530/grime-is-dead.html)

[Tony Starks]

nothing wrong with sama's views i actually agree.
but those tees backfired...
on Facebook i remeber Sama having his status as 'grime is dead' half the comments were either from ppl agreing saying "yh its shit" or fanboys saying nah "scorechers still hard doe".

Ppl cant actually see or understand the concept. Im sure logan would agree they havent had the desired effect

[Tony Starks]

EDIT: in b4 james

[The Don]

I know what T means, because I saw that Facebook status too, but isn't that what Logan was aiming for?

People who have the opinion that grime is shit, or people that would have their opinion swayed because Logan said it, thinking just that; leaving everyone who knows and appreciates the scene to it.

[Findhiminthebackoftheflat]

im buying one

Good Read

[The Elijah]

lol at alll da people watching dis and not saying neting

[The Don]

If I had £13 to spare I'd be debating with myself whether to cop one I kinda like em.

[Burden Durden]

sumone should just make 'grime is alive' t's and see how many people cop them in comparison to the dead ones

[Grimes]

Elijah this kinda insular attitude isn't needed. we should encourage as many artists/emcees/dj's/producers as possible.

The whole doing music for love is strictly idealistic, this is the real life.

[The Elijah]

Elijah this kinda insular attitude isn't needed. we should encourage as many artists/emcees/dj's/producers as possible.

The whole doing music for love is strictly idealistic, this is the real life.

long encouraging people that dont really wana do grime, or even represent it.

[gingerchris]

Elijah this kinda insular attitude isn't needed. we should encourage as many artists/emcees/dj's/producers as possible.

The whole doing music for love is strictly idealistic, this is the real life.

Are you saying we should encourage people to try and make money from grime even if their heart's not in it?

Surely only a tiny handful of people (if any) make enough to live off grime and those are the ones that love it the most?

[Tony Starks]

long encouraging people that dont really wana do grime, or even represent it.
.

[Grimes]

Are you saying we should encourage people to try and make money from grime even if their heart's not in it?

Surely only a tiny handful of people (if any) make enough to live off grime and those are the ones that love it the most?

no I'm saying

we should encourage as many people in the scene as possible regardless of their motives

[Grimes]

if people wanna use grime as a transitional medium who cares as long as they make good grime music while there in the scene.

i don't see why you should be bound to one genre for life or why it should be a requisite to enter the scene.

[Retrofreak]

The more people saying positive thing's about Grime the better imo..it's only good PR.

[The Elijah]

if people wanna use grime as a transitional medium who cares as long as they make good grime music while there in the scene.

i don't see why you should be bound to one genre for life or why it should be a requisite to enter the scene.

i think uve missed the point.

i think its dead to use grime it as a transitional medium now, whereas before you could of.

[Danny Trejo]

I'm just confused as to how anyone could not understand the intention of it.
Am I overestimated the intelligence of the general public?

[Grimes]

i think uve missed the point.

i think its dead to use grime it as a transitional medium now, whereas before you could of.

thats your opinion not everybody elses

what the point then if i "missed it"

[Shalz08]

this is joke.
i swear this is a 'grimeforum' and everymans saying negative things

[gingerchris]

I'm all for encouraging people who are making good tunes, regardless of genre.

Is it still the case that people are jumping on grime as a transitional medium? I thought that grime as the 'next big thing' died a while ago?

Who wants to invest in my new t shirt business? 'Funky is dead' anyone?

[Grimes]

yes people still do it hence doing grime to create a name then doing an electro/pop album

ask dj ironik

[DJ.DLK]

All logan needed to do was add a question mark after the statement and im sure it would of been a better come across overall..tbh

[Parter]

All logan needed to do was add a question mark after the statement and im sure it would of been a better come across overall..tbh

and add an is at the start of the statement

[gingerchris]

http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/4679/igidwa9.gif

Doesnt quite have the same ring to it

[Shalz08]

i just dont get why you would push grime forward and have a tshirt saying grimes dead

[x Cee x]

http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/4679/igidwa9.gif

Doesnt quite have the same ring to it

well obviously
coz is grime is dead? doesnt make sense

[The Don]

Init, is grime is dead LOL.

Making it a question would limit any impact that the initial statement had.

[SPOOKY DJ]

no matter what i play, be it dubstep or funky or old skool garage

i am a grime dj and producer 1st and foremost. nothing else.

['nuum general]

Too many people do music thinking their gonna make money from it when really they should be doing it from the heart

[Tasha]

i agree. if ur doing something u love, making money from it is a bonus.

[SPOOKY DJ]

yes people still do it hence doing grime to create a name then doing an electro/pop album

ask dj ironik

or kano

[Hij]

you know what
from time you say it on Cameo's
its air

[Odotkae]

Watch The Skank!!!!!
TEMPPPPZZZZZ

[Steez]

Too many people do music thinking their gonna make money from it when really they should be doing it from the heart
We've had this conversation before, how you gonna afford to go studio unless you're making p?

[Eagle]

the point is that logans comments backfired

road people are too stupid to understand the message, so lose interest in grime. you gotta play to your audience. a kid with no gcses isnt gonna understand some shit like that

[The Elijah]

the point is that logans comments backfired

road people are too stupid to understand the message, so lose interest in grime. you gotta play to your audience. a kid with no gcses isnt gonna understand some shit like that

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[Leng Man Louie]

grime quite live atm.

[Andre]

i think the t shirts are good.
if someone sees you wearing a t shirt saying 'grime is alive', they won't give a shit or even bother to ask you what grime is etc.

if you're wearing a grime is dead t shirt, then its more likely to get people interested.

[G.P]

well obviously
coz is grime is dead? doesnt make sense

:laugh:.

[Andre]

wiley is dead t shirts would be joke

[LC1]

Elijah this kinda insular attitude isn't needed. we should encourage as many artists/emcees/dj's/producers as possible.

The whole doing music for love is strictly idealistic, this is the real life.

what about dubstep, d'n b etc, and even house and indie..... do people make it for money or for a love of music and want to play gigs, people to hear their music. of course everyone would love a big record deal but the % of people who make money in any scene is minimal yet people still make albums, play gigs etc.

in grime it all seems to be about making p's. its a small minded and shitty attitude. the problem with grime is that it is very chumy and anyone who thinksof themselves asa bit of a goon can write a few 16's and get brought in by their friends. not enough people in my opinion make grime for the love. in dubstep it seems the music comes more from the heart which is why it seems to be more innovative and better quality at the moment.

i mean if you are an mc who loves grime there is no reason why you shouldn't be able to learn to produce as well and learn your craft. make beats, get tunes out their, go radio, raves and release mixtapes. there is a living to be made with that sort of hustle, and all it takes is to get a distribution deal on an album, gt your name out there wider and who no's where that could take you.


for all those people who think 'nah ain't no p's in grime, fuck it.' its called making music AND getting a job..................... thats the real world. EMPLOYMENT

[Andre]

what about dubstep, d'n b etc, and even house and indie..... do people make it for money or for a love of music and want to play gigs, people to hear their music. of course everyone would love a big record deal but the % of people who make money in any scene is minimal yet people still make albums, play gigs etc.

in grime it all seems to be about making p's. its a small minded and shitty attitude. the problem with grime is that it is very chumy and anyone who thinksof themselves asa bit of a goon can write a few 16's and get brought in by their friends. not enough people in my opinion make grime for the love. in dubstep it seems the music comes more from the heart which is why it seems to be more innovative and better quality at the moment.

i mean if you are an mc who loves grime there is no reason why you shouldn't be able to learn to produce as well and learn your craft. make beats, get tunes out their, go radio, raves and release mixtapes. there is a living to be made with that sort of hustle, and all it takes is to get a distribution deal on an album, gt your name out there wider and who no's where that could take you.


for all those people who think 'nah ain't no p's in grime, fuck it.' its called making music AND getting a job..................... thats the real world. EMPLOYMENT


There's ska and hardcore bands I listen to who survive on a fiver a day, touring endlessly, because they love the music.

[Mike]

Good read

[Grimes]

what about dubstep, d'n b etc, and even house and indie..... do people make it for money or for a love of music and want to play gigs, people to hear their music. of course everyone would love a big record deal but the % of people who make money in any scene is minimal yet people still make albums, play gigs etc.

in grime it all seems to be about making p's. its a small minded and shitty attitude. the problem with grime is that it is very chumy and anyone who thinksof themselves asa bit of a goon can write a few 16's and get brought in by their friends. not enough people in my opinion make grime for the love. in dubstep it seems the music comes more from the heart which is why it seems to be more innovative and better quality at the moment.

i mean if you are an mc who loves grime there is no reason why you shouldn't be able to learn to produce as well and learn your craft. make beats, get tunes out their, go radio, raves and release mixtapes. there is a living to be made with that sort of hustle, and all it takes is to get a distribution deal on an album, gt your name out there wider and who no's where that could take you.


for all those people who think 'nah ain't no p's in grime, fuck it.' its called making music AND getting a job..................... thats the real world. EMPLOYMENT

i don't see why you quoted me mate.

i'm not saying people don't make music just for the love i'm saying you can't expect everyone in the scene to be in grime for the love.

As long as the music is good i don't care if you make grime to compensate for the incarceration of your brother or emcee because you need the attention.

[Andre]

i don't see why you quoted me mate.

i'm not saying people don't make music just for the love i'm saying you can't expect everyone in the scene to be in grime for the love.

As long as the music is good i don't care if you make grime to compensate for the incarceration of your brother or emcee because you need the attention.

You think goodz only makes grime cos titch is inside?