Are producers now trying to imitate Maniac....?

[Deccy J]

Listening to Durrty Goodz - Ultrasound.....I think so

[Carter]

Listening to Durrty Goodz - Ultrasound.....I think so

A lot of Maniac sounding beats, I admit that...........good still

[Major]

A lot of Maniac sounding beats, I admit that...........good still

i dont think nocturnal sounds anything like maniac............but i agree people are trying to copy maniac but they cant.The only people they can copy is skeamz lol

[Miyagi Dan]

people learn through imitating others, then normally progress onto they're own sound

Edit: talking in general, not about nocturnal or this cd as I ain't heard it yet

[Steez]

i dont think nocturnal sounds anything like maniac............
02. Who You Talking To? (Prod. By Nocturnal) 03:00
sounds BARE like Star In The Making Remix

[Parter]

better dey copy maniac den dem trapmusic producers

[lilbenny1234]

i dont think nocturnal sounds anything like maniac............but i agree people are trying to copy maniac but they cant.The only people they can copy is skeamz lol

Is it just me or does Skeamz sound like he's tryin to copy Rude Kid lool

[Steez]

better dey copy maniac den dem trapmusic producers
:laugh:

[Steez]

Is it just me or does Skeamz sound like he's tryin to copy Rude Kid lool
Nah, Skeamz is far more musical than Rude Kid

[Major]

02. Who You Talking To? (Prod. By Nocturnal) 03:00
sounds BARE like Star In The Making Remix

Not really plus ive heard that nocturnal beat on radio a while before doogz vocalled it.Nocturnal has always had fire beats despite making the orchestral soft stuff.If anything people try and imitate nocturnal and maniac's style.

Skeamz more musical then rude kid how exactly? because he uses some bait strings? seen

[Hiro Nakagrime]

Nah, Skeamz is far more musical than Rude Kid

lol, just lol.

[Steez]

Skeamz more musical then rude kid how exactly? because he uses some bait strings? seen
uHk4eAw81U4
vs.
uXEVwbHBYZA

[Hiro Nakagrime]

skreamz is a carbon copy of rudekid and the guys about as musical heavy metal.

[slu-wasteguy]

boi theres a void now cos maniacs no where to be found no so its open season hahaah

[Major]

status what kind of an example is that? You have been speaking up alot lately but i think its time for you to get back into your corner cuz you chat the most shit its unreal

[Steez]

status what kind of an example is that? You have been speaking up alot lately but i think its time for you to get back into your corner cuz you chat the most shit its unreal
Give me another example then, it was a prime example. Some musical strings against a 2 note synth riff with a stiff beat?

If you don't like my opinion that's fine, but that's the whole point of a forum.

[Hiro Nakagrime]

Nocturnal came before maniac, so boi.

[Steez]

Nocturnals came before maniac, so boi.
Was Nocturnal around before DaVinChe, I swear most of the orchestral styling came from him originally? Before that it was all synth, and bass, heavy

[Hiro Nakagrime]

Was Nocturnal around before DaVinChe, I swear most of the orchestral styling came from him originally? Before that it was all synth, and bass, heavy

Trumpets yeah davinche did. I dont dispute trumpets.

[Hiro Nakagrime]

ur coming off arguement by the way.

[lilbenny1234]

Was Nocturnal around before DaVinChe, I swear most of the orchestral styling came from him originally? Before that it was all synth, and bass, heavy

DaVinChe was on Home Sweet Home and the first I heard of Nocturnal was around 2007(?) so yeah

[Steez]

ur coming off arguement by the way.
Yea I know, still.

If you had to name the 3 biggest producers from the past year, I don't think Maniac would fail to get onto anyones' list. It only makes sense for new producers wanting to compete to emulate what he did.

[Hiro Nakagrime]

DaVinChe was on Home Sweet Home and the first I heard of Nocturnal was around 2007(?) so yeah

no. 03 - 04 2000 and life times (what i see).

[Miyagi Dan]

Someone define the term musical please

[Steez]

no. 03 - 04 2000 and life times (what i see).
When was LOTD2? DaVinChe was on there still

[Major]

nocturnal and maniac have different styles so just allow that all together.

If the scene loses maniac then thats a severe headshot trust.

I still fail to see how skeamz is more musical then rude kid though still.

[Steez]

someone define the term musical please
.


mu·si·cal (myz-kl)
adj.
1. Of, relating to, or capable of producing music: A musical instrument.
2. Characteristic of or resembling music; melodious: A musical speaking voice.
3. Set to or accompanied by music: A musical revue.
4. Devoted to or skilled in music.
.

[Major]

Someone define the term musical please

according to status if you use orchestral plugins you are more musical.

[Steez]

I still fail to see how skeamz is more musical then rude kid though still.

If you took a Rude Kid beat and a Skeamz beat to someone with a musical background based on actual classical music education and training, and asked them which was more accomplished in terms of musical arrangement etc. ... I can't see how they'd choose Rude Kid's 2 note riffs?

[Calum]

nocturnal and maniac have different styles so just allow that all together.

If the scene loses maniac then thats a severe headshot trust.

I still fail to see how skeamz is more musical then rude kid though still.

Real talk

[THOR!]

Maniac copied Nocturnal, not the other way round.

[lilbenny1234]

If you took a Rude Kid beat and a Skeamz beat to someone with a musical background based on actual classical music education and training, and asked them which was more accomplished in terms of musical arrangement etc. ... I can't see how they'd choose Rude Kid's 2 note riffs?

Since when has grime been judged on things like that?

Some grime is extremely un technical but its still sick

[Deccy J]

Maniac copied Nocturnal, not the other way round.

May well be but if somebody were to ask me give me 1 Maniac signature sounding tune & 1 from Nocturnal....

I'd say 'Mandem' for the former and 'Back in a Big Way' for the latter.

And now on Ultrasound, Nocturnal just seemed to use a few of the same sounds Maniac usually does.

It aint a bad thing, was just an observation

[SPOOKY DJ]

boi theres a void now cos maniacs no where to be found no so its open season hahaah
damn rite its open season ryt now


Was Nocturnal around before DaVinChe, I swear most of the orchestral styling came from him originally? Before that it was all synth, and bass, heavy
damn rite
bn round since 03

Trumpets yeah davinche did. I dont dispute trumpets.
but jammer had certain gripes wid davinche over his sound :S

[Steez]

but jammer had certain gripes wid davinche over his sound :S
Wasn't that because DaVinChe used to engineer for Jammer though, or something to do with that? Also, swear they made a beat together?

[SPOOKY DJ]

Someone define the term musical please

punctuation - nocturnal

now thats wot i would call musical

[SPOOKY DJ]

Wasn't that because DaVinChe used to engineer for Jammer though, or something to do with that? Also, swear they made a beat together?

they made 2 together

K-Dot (if ne1 has this on vinyl HOLLA)
and Under Siege (from the World Destruction EP)

dunno bout the engineerin ting
but if u look at Gone remix, K Dot, Buzz Lightyear, Destruction remix, Last Night, P's & Q's (especially) and wot not then u can see vinch did get sum sort of influence frm Jam

[Hiro Nakagrime]

damn rite its open season ryt now


damn rite
bn round since 03

but jammer had certain gripes wid davinche over his sound :S

thanks for clearing that up.

[lilbenny1234]

Would any of you term this as musical?...

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=-jltVoMngoM

No. yet its still one of the sickest grime beats to this day (imo)

Fuck judging grime on technical merits

[Steez]

Would any of you term this as musical?...

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=-jltVoMngoM

No. yet its still one of the sickest grime beats to this day (imo)

Fuck judging grime on technical merits

That's irrelevant. I never said at any point that good music had to be musical, I just said that Skeamz was more musical than Rude Kid.

[Tight and Bright]

Yeah they are. When that ghetts song dropped the other night over autopsy i realised that beats these days are far too samey and not as good as in 04/05 times.

[Equilibrium]

idc skeamz does come across as musical, its not a surprise that producers are trying to imitate maniac cos he is setting the standard and the only guy to look to for consistant grime beats

jammer brought through davinche didnt he and also didnt davinche teach rotten or give him his sounds they actualli sound quite similar in terms of styles

[Babatunde Merkers]

lol @ skeamz being more musical than rude kid

http://www.fuchicando.com/sivis/img/lost_in_translation.jpg

anyone can fling on fruity fill in a few blocks to whatever sounds right in orchestral and boom.

When it comes down to it. I'd rather have a rude kid production on my CD than A skeamz who are you remix pt 48.

[DJ.DLK]

lol, just lol.

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this

[Kaychi]

the maniac-esk beats on ultrasound from nocturnal were good. a really diff noc im used to. but it did sound very maniacish

[S.Dubz]

I see it as drawing inspiration, unless their new to the game then it's copy cattin'.

[THOR!]

Nocs was making beats like that when Maniac was nothing but an itch in his dads ballbag.

[Sir Kippington]

damn rite its open season ryt now


damn rite
bn round since 03

but jammer had certain gripes wid davinche over his sound :s

finally someone who knows what there talking about

[Wiz]

Maniac's beats are more popular than anyone elses, he's obviously doing something right which is why people's sounds are getting more like his.

Oh yeah the whole "musical" discussion is stupid, to say something is more "musical" is to describe style, rather than how good it is. I'm sure everyone would say Swindle is more musical than Maniac but on the other hand I'm sure most would say Maniac is better or they like Maniac more.

[Miyagi Dan]

Oh yeah the whole "musical" discussion is stupid, to say something is more "musical" is to describe style, rather than how good it is. I'm sure everyone would say Swindle is more musical than Maniac but on the other hand I'm sure most would say Maniac is better or they like Maniac more.

.

exactly, swindle is blatantly more musical than most, so is d.o.k and joker

musical doesn't mean someone that uses bare orchestral sounds, its just actually understand music,how melodies work, chord progression, tracks that have clear begining, middle and end part not just making a catchy 16bar pattern and looping it for 3 minutes

but none of this is particularly important as far as grime music goes

[Quite a character]

.

exactly, swindle is blatantly more musical than most, so is d.o.k and joker

musical doesn't mean someone that uses bare orchestral sounds, its just actually understand music,how melodies work, chord progression, tracks that have clear begining, middle and end part not just making a catchy 16bar pattern and looping it for 3 minutes

but none of this is particularly important as far as grime music goes

.

[K P M]

Nocturnal said on logans show that hes experimenting with his sound now and getting more into synths rather than just string based stuff

[DJ.DLK]

Maniac without strings = pie

[Wiz]

Maniac without strings = pie
that tune that drops with "shut your mouth you dickhead" (can't remember the name) is fucking disgusting, he uses strings in that but they are so unapparent because the bassline is so dutty



Oh yeah and I have heard that Nocturnal track the topic starter was talking abou and yes, it does seem like he's taken a page from Maniac's book.

[Exo]

they made 2 together

K-Dot (if ne1 has this on vinyl HOLLA)


big tune

http://i36.tinypic.com/vwwsye.jpg

[Deccy J]

that tune that drops with "shut your mouth you dickhead" (can't remember the name) is fucking disgusting, he uses strings in that but they are so unapparent because the bassline is so dutty



Oh yeah and I have heard that Nocturnal track the topic starter was talking abou and yes, it does seem like he's taken a page from Maniac's book.

It's called THUG!!!! :D

May be labelled in some places as gunslap though.

My personal fave Maniac instro.....

[margadread]

maniac = square lead + strings.

anybody that uses strings and a square lead preset is copying maniac?

[Equilibrium]

that is a dumb statement

[Miyagi Dan]

big tune

http://i36.tinypic.com/vwwsye.jpg

I got this vinyl, I always wondered, was the instra sposed to be a remix of destruction? Sounds well similar

[Breathe Beats]

Maniac has set the grime production levels, so its only natural for people to see if they can recreate his sound. No one is coming anywhere near though to be honest, he is years ahead of his time.

[Exo]

I got this vinyl, I always wondered, was the instra sposed to be a remix of destruction? Sounds well similar

yeah I know what your saying... it's like the note from destruction then davinches added a couple melodies after it.


Delerious was using bass n strings in what people are describing as copying maniac from time ago.

Underrated guy.

[DJ.DLK]

Delerious was using bass n strings in what people are describing as copying maniac from time ago.

Underrated guy.



alie doe

[Troublesome]

DaVinChe was on Home Sweet Home and the first I heard of Nocturnal was around 2007(?) so yeah

Your forgetting that Nocturnal is Big Seac and he had a release of 'Tingz In Bootz Remix' some years before Home Sweet Home.


Was Nocturnal around before DaVinChe, I swear most of the orchestral styling came from him originally? Before that it was all synth, and bass, heavy

Eastwood & Oddz used Brass ad strings too though.


Oh yeah the whole "musical" discussion is stupid, to say something is more "musical" is to describe style, rather than how good it is. I'm sure everyone would say Swindle is more musical than Maniac but on the other hand I'm sure most would say Maniac is better or they like Maniac more.

The arguement ain't who's better, it's just who's more musical.


And in my opinion, from the stuff I've heard, Skeamz is MORE musical than Ride Kid

[adidasgrandad]

skeamz is swag

[Santino]

yeah I know what your saying... it's like the note from destruction then davinches added a couple melodies after it.


Delerious was using bass n strings in what people are describing as copying maniac from time ago.

Underrated guy.

His song on ultrasound is prob my fav beat on the cd.

['nuum general]

mooney has hit the nail in this thread. Skeamz may be better musically than some, but his drums are so shit that it doesn't make a difference.

[Valhalla]

02. Who You Talking To? (Prod. By Nocturnal) 03:00
sounds BARE like Star In The Making Remix

ye i noticed that aswel :|
this cd has some sikk beats on it

[Deccy J]

His song on ultrasound is prob my fav beat on the cd.

+1.....

To be fair I think Maniac's production on it was weak in comparison of what he's capable of

[I Can See You]

Skeamz aint over rated

Hes a good producer how can you say hes over rated when hes made some bangers, its not like people are saying yeah skeamz is top 3

Listen to the first beat on his myspace Once And Through tunes a madness

[Burden Durden]

everyone just catted scott storch lol

[L1ONE]

uHk4eAw81U4
vs.
uXEVwbHBYZA

lol at thinking someones more musical because they have more notes in the piano roll

[Grimes]

to be honest maniacs beats sound like a mesh of d'explicit,wiley and skepta

[Praze]

No-one could imitate Maniac, he's too effed! [Have you heard 'Liquid Organ'?!]
I see what your saying though, I heard 1 or 2 Maniac sounding beats on Ultrasound which were actually produced by Nocturnal!

[Quite a character]

everyone just catted scott storch lol

thats actually true although i dont think many people did it intentionally so i wouldnt call it catting as such

[nii-o]

I have to say...I'm not really a Maniac fan

I think my favourite beat by him is 'Mainstream Money'

*shrugs*

[THAMTASTIC]

Maniac has a nice sound.. so if people are tryna copy him .. it can only push the music?

And yes, Skeamz is Better than Rude Kid.

[Young Ben]

Rude Kid > Skeamz

[E72]

Maniac Reckage >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

[feasible_weasel]

better dey copy maniac den dem trapmusic producers
indeed :laugh:

[SMALLZ]

spooky i got k dot on cd

[Big-C]

Delerious was using bass n strings in what people are describing as copying maniac from time ago.

As were IMP Batch

[SE15]

maniac is a braniac if you dont know.

[Retrofreak]

Maniac is sick, but the foundation of his sound is based on Rapid.

Nocturnal is not copying Maniac, if anything it's slightly the other way round.