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Ar Piff
28th November '08, 06:23 PM
It has been common nature for some time now that within the genre of Hip-Hop there has been a wide range of intertextuality amongst artists and songs which in all make it easier for the listener to gain a better understanding of the genre.

Some may argue that it is not fair to draw comparisons between the two genres of Grime and Hip-Hop, however it is undeniable that two are closely related. It seems odd therefore that it is only now that intertextuality has arisen and become a major factor within this genre. Songs such as P-Money - Grime Scene Pt. 1 / Sounds And Gimmicks and for those who tune into radio sessions will have noted a larger number of MC's referring to each others bars within their own.

Remixing bars has also become a stronger focus point of music with Voltage, Skepta, Ghetto, Dot Rotten, Skitz, Griminal, Jendor, Little Nasty, P-Money to name a few who have taken 'classic' bars and transformed them into something that a new listener can openly enjoy (to some extent) without having knowledge of who the original bar was written by.

It is undeniable that with more and more GRIME artists getting signed, there is strong belief that if these artists make references to other grime acts within their so called 'narrative' (bars) that the grime scene will continue to grow despite clamours of 'grime is dead'! Bring-ins to an extent one could say.

Disheartening is the fact however that grime has to be toned down and made more commercial in order to make it mainstream. One major failing with the current breed of successful artists perhaps is the fact that they will so readily deny their roots in order to attain their '5 minutes of fame' or for Skepta's 'Rolex Sweep' a mere 3 minutes and 49 seconds.

Overall the late 2008 has been a good time to be a strong Grime supporter and for those new to the genre of Grime... keep listening and do your research, it will only add to your enjorment of this flourishing scene full of talent.

Quality Control
28th November '08, 06:25 PM
okay............. and your point is?

Ar Piff
28th November '08, 06:27 PM
no point just thought i would write something based on something becoming more and more common within grime

98rosjon
28th November '08, 06:45 PM
Even though that was basically quite an unfocused post, I genuinely enjoy reading anything that is a cut above the old 'yeah dats wot im on innit, cah mi luv black da ripper still fam'

With regards to intertextuality between genres, one could apply performative theory and look at the similarities between UK MCs and US rappers (see Scorcher and his *embarassed cough* gang signs)

Naturally, most man on grimeforum dun know the Hegelian dialectics so I'll allow that for now.

Hij
28th November '08, 07:10 PM
hegelian ? Thats one to look up

R-Style
28th November '08, 07:27 PM
hegelian ? Thats one to look up

point proven lol

Tony Starks
28th November '08, 08:07 PM
Hegelian? We dont want ur sort round here wit ur essay threads and funny words!

The Messiah
28th November '08, 09:15 PM
Hegelian? We dont want ur sort round here wit ur essay threads and funny words!

Skeeeeeeeeen.

Jay05
28th November '08, 09:24 PM
grime has always been self referenced

p money may have done it bigger than others b4, but its always been around

Quality Control
29th November '08, 04:37 PM
thread reeks of pseudo-intellectualism