King of Grime

[Ear Drum]

King Of Grime. Mcs tryna claim da throne and crown demselves but wat do the fans think?

[The Elijah]

no1 is dat far gone.

[Stephan El Shaarawy]

wiley

[Breathe Beats]

wiley

[Quality Control]

...willy kat...

[S.Man]

Ghetts.

Wiley is the Godfather. The man who started all of this. But he aint the best.

[Eric Cantona]

You cant be king of grime with 2 hip hop mixtapes out

[JACK]

''king of grime'' wot does dat even mean? the best? the founder? its no meanin behind it imo

[hyperfrank]

lol and what 12 or whatever he has terrrrrible mixtapes.
a couple of any albums... makes you the king of grime?
I'd say... it's got to be Skeppy or Ghetts
with more releases from both in the next 6 months we'll see...

[abass]

there is no king.

[S.Man]

''king of grime'' wot does dat even mean? the best? the founder? its no meanin behind it imo

Good Point.

FAO Alex. Quality over Quantity. Although its all down to opinion i personally dont think Wiley has made a better Mix CD than Ghetts. Album wise....yes, but Ghetts hasnt dropped an album yet.

[TerrorS]

You cant be king of grime with 2 hip hop mixtapes out

Dont try it!!

Don't think for one minute that Ghetto cant be consider!! You underestimate him on a regs.

If you think all his mixtapes have been hip hop then you must of never heard them.

Jus cuz some artist decide to rap here and there dont mean they aint grime artist. Jay-z, busta and twister spat over forward, does that make them grime artist?? You need to open your eyes.

[Ear Drum]

Al3x. I agree ghetts is mad fukd but jus cant be the king of this grime ting if u stray to make hip hop.

I say wil coz he started this and stuck wiv it and bare mcs jus gone or sold out. plus wileys got more GRIME classics than skepta and ghetts probably put 2geva

[adidasgrandad]

based on last 3 months...wiley judging by radio and the tunes iv heard.

i think it will be ghettos cd versus wileys in march, then which ever one that wins the inevitable clashes that follow will be the king.

goodz is the ghost king though lol

[Stephan El Shaarawy]

tunnel vision 2>>>ghetto gospel

[FG]

I can't answer this question

I think even Wiley has accepted that he is the godfather, he has always championed the youth and I think both GH and Skepta are better than him

I can't choose between the 2, but after listening to the little back to back GH/Devlin at the end of F Radio 5 all day I'm tempted to say Ghetto

He typifies the road side of things, but has so much talent, can write songs, good mixtapes, gets reloads - complete MC

I think Skepta ain't quite there yet but I think he has the potential if he upped his content a little bit and came with better tunes

Very different MCs, Skepta is a champion though at what he does - very good radio bars, I think its no coincidence that a lot of grimeheads know most of them

So lol I'd probs say GH at the moment

[S.Man]

tunnel vision 2>>>ghetto gospel

LOOOOOL

.........>>>>Tunnel Visions.

It dnt take much to make a few tunes then trow a few old ones on there, 1-2 instrumentals and couple of tunes by other ppl.

true what adidas said tho....goodz is ghost king. lyrically and tune wise no-one can touch him.

this yr...

Race Against Time
Justification of J.Clarke
Microphone Champion
Born Blessed

These are the albums that 2008 is all about!

[Jay]

based on last 3 months...wiley judging by radio and the tunes iv heard.

i think it will be ghettos cd versus wileys in march, then which ever one that wins the inevitable clashes that follow will be the king.

goodz is the ghost king though lol

.

[Flawz]

No way is Skepta the grime king!
I'd say between Ghetto + Wiley..Goodz is up there aswell but only Wiley's released enough material to be called the "King"

[FG]

yh true say about Goodz

[FG]

No way is Skepta the grime king!
I'd say between Ghetto + Wiley..Goodz is up there aswell but only Wiley's released enough material to be called the "King"

don't you think he's released too much material, which has arguably damaged his status as the King?

I definitely think so

[Jay]

Yep, wileys definately released to much below par stuff. Thing is hes had so much material played over the radio on the years that he could have made every tunnel vision purely his own tracks. I can remember 1 track imparticular that i heard played once then never again. Wiley - Day In The Life (Produced By Statik) That might not have been the name, but that was the jist of teh track.

[Eric Cantona]

Dont try it!!

Don't think for one minute that Ghetto cant be consider!! You underestimate him on a regs.

If you think all his mixtapes have been hip hop then you must of never heard them.

Jus cuz some artist decide to rap here and there dont mean they aint grime artist. Jay-z, busta and twister spat over forward, does that make them grime artist?? You need to open your eyes.



2000 & Life was more then 50% Hip Hop, i liked some of the tracks though

Ghetto Gospal had about 5/6 good tracks, rest was shit hip hop, them 5/6 were only grime ones as well

Yes i did here them terror, they were majority of hip hop, and not good hip hop either

Im actually dissapointed in your post, thought alot more of you


LOOOOOL

.........>>>>Tunnel Visions.

It dnt take much to make a few tunes then trow a few old ones on there, 1-2 instrumentals and couple of tunes by other ppl.

true what adidas said tho....goodz is ghost king. lyrically and tune wise no-one can touch him.

this yr...

Race Against Time
Justification of J.Clarke
Microphone Champion
Born Blessed

These are the albums that 2008 is all about!


Tunnel Vision 1 & 2 were alot better then Ghetto Gospal & 2000 & Life

[adidasgrandad]

Yep, wileys definately released to much below par stuff. Thing is hes had so much material played over the radio on the years that he could have made every tunnel vision purely his own tracks. I can remember 1 track imparticular that i heard played once then never again. Wiley - Day In The Life (Produced By Statik) That might not have been the name, but that was the jist of teh track.

dont think iv heard that

[FG]

2000 & Life was more then 50% Hip Hop, i liked some of the tracks though

Ghetto Gospal had about 5/6 good tracks, rest was shit hip hop, them 5/6 were only grime ones as well

Yes i did here them terror, they were majority of hip hop, and not good hip hop either

Im actually dissapointed in your post, thought alot more of you




Tunnel Vision 1 & 2 were alot better then Ghetto Gospal & 2000 & Life

I hear you, but personally I think GG was better than Tunnel Vision 1 + 2 combined

What great tracks were there off of those 2 mixtapes? Probs the Grim freestyle and Kano one off of 2, and maybe Bad 'em up and 16 bar off of 1

The tracks are all far too short as well, no real 'songs' on there, like magnified freestyles

No sendage to Wiley because he is one of the people I respect most in this scene

'you can get all the tunnel visions, take 3 of the best from each, then out em together and I bet you it won't be better than Freedom of Speech'

I believe GH still

[samur41]

wiley without a doubt, and he probably will be till he retires (4 real this time)

[Quality Control]

...what's Skepta done to be considered the king!? he aint even in the picture... Ghetto and Doogz are probably ranked 1 and 2 right now in terms of pure spitting talent, but they still aint king...

...Wiley Kat is still the king of grime... he's been droppin' the most heat lately, he's been there at the top as both an MC and a producer since day 1, he's always stayed true to the grime sound, he's formed the biggest crew and raised some of the most talented and successful MCs in the scene as his protégés, he's proven himself in dub wars constantly throughout his career and merked off some of the best MCs in the scene and he even played a big part in establishing the scene in the first place...

...as long as Wiley is a top 5 MC, he'll be king, someone will only take over when he's completely fallen off or retired...

..real tawk..

[samur41]

skepta was the best mc around the time wiley said he was retiring, that was just about b4 we saw the rapid increase in levels from goodz and ghetts

[adidasgrandad]

goodz needs to go radio. thats how you gonna take back the scene...when the leading people take charge.

[Jay]

...Wiley Kat is still the king of grime... he's been droppin' the most heat lately, he's been there at the top since day 1, he's always stayed true to the grime sound, he's formed the biggest crew and raised some of the most talented and successful MCs in the scene as his protégés and he's proven himself in dub wars constantly throughout his career and merked off some of the best MCs in the scene...


Said it all there, exactly why Wiley is the Grime King.

[JACK]

goodz needs to go radio. thats how you gonna take back the scene...when the leading people take charge.

my thoughts exactly, like how can he take back the scene and dont go rinse wen pirate radio in grime >>> actual studio work

[FG]

...what's Skepta done to be considered the king!? he aint even in the picture... Ghetto and Doogz are probably ranked 1 and 2 right now in terms of pure spitting talent, but they still aint king...

...Wiley Kat is still the king of grime... he's been droppin' the most heat lately, he's been there at the top as both an MC and a producer since day 1, he's always stayed true to the grime sound, he's formed the biggest crew and raised some of the most talented and successful MCs in the scene as his protégés, he's proven himself in dub wars constantly throughout his career and merked off some of the best MCs in the scene and he even played a big part in establishing the scene in the first place...

...as long as Wiley is a top 5 MC, he'll be king, someone will only take over when he's completely fallen off or retired...

..real tawk..


yh that is real talk

I was looking at it more from a current point of view and MC levels at the moment

To me, I think GH is a better MC than Wiley (even though they're both very different), so I find it strange how you can still be king yet not at the top

What you said is absolutely right, but maybe its better to look at that as him being 'the godfather'?

The term 'King of Grime' is so controversial that people will always disagree, so in a way Wiley is the winner because he is the 'godfather', and no-one can argue with that

[grafta]

even thoguh i think

Ghetto >>>>>>>>>>> WILEY (anytime of the day)

i'll have to give wiley my vote for obvious reasons

[adidasgrandad]

having said all this....how big would a wiley ghetto collab cd be?

[Quality Control]

yh that is real talk

I was looking at it more from a current point of view and MC levels at the moment

To me, I think GH is a better MC than Wiley (even though they're both very different), so I find it strange how you can still be king yet not at the top

What you said is absolutely right, but maybe its better to look at that as him being 'the godfather'?

The term 'King of Grime' is so controversial that people will always disagree, so in a way Wiley is the winner because he is the 'godfather', and no-one can argue with that

...if we're gonna stay on the whole monarchy analogy i'd regard people like Dizzee Rascal, Ghetto, Kano, Dutty Doogz as princes... MCs come and go at the top but Wiley's held firm and been there or thereabouts since the very beginning...

[Top Lad]

Wiley, any day of the week. Hes just done too much to not be considered the king. There may be better artists but grime is not just spitting its a combination of mc-ing, producing and just doing whatever to the scene to develop it and Wiley has done that. Il be turhtful and say that i really dislike Ghetto. I appreciate his talents but just hate the way he spits. To be the king of grime you need to have that 'image' but Ghetts aint got that and wont.

[Demos]

goodz needs to go radio. thats how you gonna take back the scene...when the leading people take charge.

yeah would be sick to see goodz on radio again

[FG]

...if we're gonna stay on the whole monarchy analogy i'd regard people like Dizzee Rascal, Ghetto, Kano, Dutty Doogz as princes... MCs come and go at the top but Wiley's held firm and been there or thereabouts since the very beginning...

some good stuff being said in this thread

I agree with that, but it frustrates me that in my eyes Wiley has never really achieved his potential

You can go radio as much as you like but you have to out good CDs to back up claims like 'king'. I said GH at the moment, but that is always up for review. And from what I've heard of grimewave, it sounds big and Wiley could go back to the top for me

It will be very interesting to compare FOS and Grimewave

[Top Lad]

Im sure Wiley will triumph over Ghetto, mark my words

[adidasgrandad]

It will be very interesting to compare FOS and Grimewave

i think it will come down to one or two tracks. theire gonna be different. like you knwo ghettos going to try come with something meaningful whereas wileys gonna come with something more hype and scene orientated with bars abaout being the best etc. its just what you prefer at end of the day

[FG]

Wiley, any day of the week. Hes just done too much to not be considered the king. There may be better artists but grime is not just spitting its a combination of mc-ing, producing and just doing whatever to the scene to develop it and Wiley has done that. Il be turhtful and say that i really dislike Ghetto. I appreciate his talents but just hate the way he spits. To be the king of grime you need to have that 'image' but Ghetts aint got that and wont.

interesting point, was gonna talkk about this still

No-one has said Skeppy, and I think rightly so, but he is a topboy MC, very good producer and was more than a decent DJ

Also he's part of BBK, who have a great opportunity to showcase grime to a wider audience, which they are already doing

Just a point

I think Skepta has more than enough potential to be 'king', his style is easier than Ghetto's as well while still coming with good content

But he has to release a bloody brilliant CD first before he can even be considered as king

[Quality Control]

some good stuff being said in this thread

I agree with that, but it frustrates me that in my eyes Wiley has never really achieved his potential

You can go radio as much as you like but you have to out good CDs to back up claims like 'king'. I said GH at the moment, but that is always up for review. And from what I've heard of grimewave, it sounds big and Wiley could go back to the top for me

It will be very interesting to compare FOS and Grimewave

...and also Treddin' On Thin Ice is top 3 grime release of all time... there's some of the best and most recognisable grime anthems ever on there (Wot Do U Call It?, Eskimo, Ice Rink, Avalanche, Doorway, I Was Lost & The Game)... that release to me is Wiley's Illmatic... his career defining moment...

[adidasgrandad]

...and also Treddin' On Thin Ice is top 3 grime release of all time... there's some of the best and most recognisable grime anthems ever on there (Wot Do U Call It?, Eskimo, Ice Rink, Doorway, I Was Lost & The Game)... that release to me is Wiley's Illmatic... his career defining moment...

and it could have been better....

[FG]

...and also Treddin' On Thin Ice is top 3 grime release of all time... there's some of the best and most recognisable grime anthems ever on there (Wot Do U Call It?, Eskimo, Ice Rink, Doorway, I Was Lost & The Game)... that release to me is Wiley's Illmatic... his career defining moment...

at the end of the day that CD was overshadowed by BIDC

And I think that album could have been a lot better, its still good but vocals for ice rink and them ones would have made it so much better

also the CD loses impetus as it progresses imo

Top 3 CDs isn't so big a claim as it seems, there hasn't been that many very good grime CDs released, also that CD is recognised as showcasing the eski sound, it is regarded highly because of the time in which it was made as well as its actual content

[Top Lad]

interesting point, was gonna talkk about this still

No-one has said Skeppy, and I think rightly so, but he is a topboy MC, very good producer and was more than a decent DJ

Also he's part of BBK, who have a great opportunity to showcase grime to a wider audience, which they are already doing

Just a point

I think Skepta has more than enough potential to be 'king', his style is easier than Ghetto's as well while still coming with good content

But he has to release a bloody brilliant CD first before he can even be considered as king
Growing up, ive always listened to wiley. He will always be the best , until like people say hes gone. If skepta carries on going and trying to improve etc, with a a memorable release he will take over. Hes in the right circle , imo BBK are going places like you said.

[S.Man]

Some really good points thru this thread.

I agree with fully grown on this but Ef El made some serious points.

I am biast towards ghetts because i do feel he makes the best tunes and is the most all round talented MC(with the exception of Goodz, jus because the work rate), but sayin that u cannot deny that without Wiley, Ghetto and the scene may not even be here today.

Wiley has carried this scene on his back from day and i respect more than any other artist (no hovis) because of his input and contribution. But in addition to this i dnt think he is the 'best' in the scene, hence why i didnt vote for him. The thing about Wiley as well, he has excelled on 2 levels...as an MC and as Producer. Ghetts is jus an MC. So does King of Grime include production or jus lyrical abitlity?

I think there is a difference from being a pioneer and the best.

Its all down to personal opinion and also what the term 'king of grime' actually means!

[Tony Starks]

Wiley, any day of the week. Hes just done too much to not be considered the king. There may be better artists but grime is not just spitting its a combination of mc-ing, producing and just doing whatever to the scene to develop it and Wiley has done that.
totally agree with that and thats why wileys got my vote but anyone in this day and age of grime that cant understand ghetto.........WOW!
wiley started this ting but i do believe that if ghetts (and goodz) continues to make good quality grime he will convert alot more ppl to the scene and also gain more recognition than wiley.

[FG]

Some really good points thru this thread.

I agree with fully grown on this but Ef El made some serious points.

I am biast towards ghetts because i do feel he makes the best tunes and is the most all round talented (with the exception of Goodz, jus because the work rate), but sayin that u cannot deny that without Wiley, Ghetto and the scene may not even be here today.

Wiley has carried this scene on his back from day and i respect more than any other artist (no hovis) because of his input and contribution. But in addition to this i dnt think he is the 'best' in the scene, hence why i didnt vote for him.

I think there is a difference from being a pioneer and the best.

Its all down to personal opinion and also what the term 'king of grime' actually means!

lol

safe for actually saying what I wanted to say in a few sentences

I'm on a longers today still

[Top Lad]

[QUOTE=Top Lad;29803]Wiley, any day of the week. Hes just done too much to not be considered the king. There may be better artists but grime is not just spitting its a combination of mc-ing, producing and just doing whatever to the scene to develop it and Wiley has done that. [QUOTE]
totally agree with that and thats why wileys got my vote but anyone in this day and age of grime that cant understand ghetto.........WOW!
wiley started this ting but i do believe that if ghetts (and goodz) continues to make good quality grime he will convert alot more ppl to the scene and also gain more recognition than wiley.

Your right about Ghetto. He has bare talent but what im saying is that he doesnt have that voice, look that makes you want to warm to him (no homo) I want him to do well and like his content but just hate his voice.

[Quality Control]

at the end of the day that CD was overshadowed by BIDC

And I think that album could have been a lot better, its still good but vocals for ice rink and them ones would have made it so much better

also the CD loses impetus as it progresses imo

Top 3 CDs isn't so big a claim as it seems, there hasn't been that many very good grime CDs released, also that CD is recognised as showcasing the eski sound, it is regarded highly because of the time in which it was made as well as its actual content

...you're right it was overshadowed and it wasn't perfect like Illmatic, but i compared it to that because it's a landmark release in the genre, a great debut, he was at his hungriest when he made it and it will probably be the best release of his career...

...in terms of album content i'd say it's comparable to Jay-Z's Reasonable Doubt... far from perfect; quite a few filler/weaker tracks on it and was overshadowed at the time of it's release but makes up for these things because the songs that are good on it are very, very good...

(..sorry for all the hip-hop comparisons, i know people don't like that, but it's something i know alot about so it's easy for me to find parallels..)

...indisputable top 3 grime releases...

1. Boy In Da Corner
..and Treddin' On Thin Ice and Home Sweet Home are interchangeable as 2 and 3 depending on personal taste..

[Quality Control]

Its all down to personal opinion and also what the term 'king of grime' actually means!

..you're right, it seems like opinion is split down the middle as to how you would actually define the 'king of grime'... and therein lies the whole conflict of opinion in this thread...

[FG]

...you're right it was overshadowed and it wasn't perfect like Illmatic, but i compared it to that because it's a landmark release in the genre, a great debut, he was at his hungriest when he made it and it will probably be the best release of his career...

...in terms of album content i'd say it's comparable to Jay-Z's Reasonable Doubt... far from perfect; quite a few filler/weaker tracks on it and was overshadowed at the time of it's release but makes up for these because the good songs on it are very, very good...

(..sorry for all the hip-hop comparisons, i know people don't like that, but it's smething i know alot about so it's easy for me to find parallels..)

...undisputable top 3 grime releases...

1. Boy In Da Corner
..and Treddin' On Thin Ice and Home Sweet Home are interchangeable as 2 and 3 depending on personal taste..


lol, minor

I agree with ur top 3

Since S Man has more than summed up what I was trying to say I'm gonna bow out of this thread, at least for now

sick discussion

Though I will stress if Grimewave is big, and FOS doesnt live up to the hype I will have to seriously reconsider what my views are at the moment

[Top Lad]

Put it this way- When someone says Grime i think of Wiley straight away becuase of what hes done for the scene. IMO, only once Wiley decides to f**k off then people can start naming other artists. Hes responsible for so many memorable tracks, and even if hes currently not the best he will always be thought of as the best becuase of what he has done.

[Jason P]

goodz is the ghost king though lol


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[Quality Control]

Put it this way- When someone says Grime i think of Wiley straight away becuase of what hes done for the scene. IMO, only once Wiley decides to f**k off then people can start naming other artists. Hes responsible for so many memorable tracks, and even if hes currently not the best he will always be thought of as the best becuase of what he has done.

:yes:

...he's the greatest of all time and epitomises grime and everything it's about...

[Top Lad]

Oh yeh and the fact thats hes been challenged so many times and held his ground shows something. These war dubs make the scene more interesting and hyped and lets face it Wiley is responsible for the majority of them.

[R-Style]

goodz only cums back 2 grime 2 get hype

from day hes started men in the streets, a hip hop ting

he left titch wiv boys in the hood 2 do hiphop

[whats_the_score?]

who needs a king when you already have a godfather?

[TerrorS]

2000 & Life was more then 50% Hip Hop, i liked some of the tracks though

Ghetto Gospal had about 5/6 good tracks, rest was shit hip hop, them 5/6 were only grime ones as well

Yes i did here them terror, they were majority of hip hop, and not good hip hop either

Im actually dissapointed in your post, thought alot more of you

Tunnel Vision 1 & 2 were alot better then Ghetto Gospal & 2000 & Life

my problem with your post is you talking like ghetto isnt a grime artist when he sprays better bars the 95% of the scene. GG had some of the best grime tracks of 07 on it. Im not saying hes the king of grime but your saying he shouldnt be considered which is wrong imo.

I think skepta being called the king of grime is a pisstake. His bars are so poor at times i feel embrassed for him. His production has been on point for a long time now but has an mc i think there are too many mc's better than him for him to be calling himself the king of grime. Goodz is a really good artist but i feel he takes too many breaks form the scene, hes not consistant in my view.

[Channel_E-D]

8T2 by far.

[RAISED BY WOLVES]

Will. Straight like that.

[Jay05]

Will is not the king of anything one discipline

Hes a top boy mc but not the best
Hes a top producer but not the best
Hes big in a rave.

Overall he is big in every form of grime.

His 3 albums all stand up against pretty much any other MC's.

TOTI - Lyrically prob will at his best and prod is big too.
2nd Phaze - Was a more a compilation of MAssive tracks.
Playtime - a lil disapointing, but it seems too much work went into Tunnel vision series.

I'm not saying it is why he is king but, whenever he does anything it creates a new thread on here. New song on myspace, Change of myspace name, some1 calling him out. He creates far more interest than any other artist.

No1 will ever take his place. Watch the wat u call it documentry and when crazy t says he should now leave the hood. Wiley stayed and choose grime. No1 else would of stayed and made real Grime.

[emirg]

Wiley easily

yes the tunnel visions werent as good as they should have been, but this has been a recurring theme through Wiley's career

2nd Phaze is one of the best CDs I own from any genre IMO

[Mister Lacey]

There aint no King of Grime, there are a few guys at top right now doing alot. Wiley is the Godfather of Grime though standard.

[Entity]

Forget anyone saying Ghetto does hip hop. He's the most talented in the scene, with the highest work rate. If I could take one Emcee's talent, determination, ambition and confidence, it's Ghetto hands down.

[Ear Drum]

[QUOTE=Dean0;30099]Forget anyone saying Ghetto does hip hop.QUOTE]

He does though. he does grime and hip hop. anyone with 2000 & Life and Ghetto Gospel can tell u this. I mean he sprays over dr dre beat in 2000 & Life for some reason i dont see Wil doin this

[Entity]

He does though. he does grime and hip hop. anyone with 2000 & Life and Ghetto Gospel can tell u this. I mean he sprays over dr dre beat in 2000 & Life for some reason i dont see Wil doin this Sorry, the way I worded it might be misunderstood. I mean, people say Ghetto does hip hop, as if that's some justifiable criticism of him. He's still the best when spittin over grime in my opinion, nobody has as much depth, delivery and edge in the scene. Regardless of whether he's done hip hop.

[Pred]

Definition of King:

The current ruler of the scene, based on present and recent past.

Everyone says Wiley in every post, but his album and mixtape releases haven't been the strongest ever. He's the Godfather undoubtedly, and that is the title based on his past. But the title of King should go to who is the present top artist/MC. Which definitely isn't Wiley. It has to be between Skepta and Ghetto, there's no two ways about it.

I'd say that Skepta comes across as the good King, the night in shining armour compared to Ghetto, who due to his incredible ability to go from calm in bars 1 to 4 to absolutely nuts in bars 5 to 8 comes across as a sort of Dark Knight.

Skepta is the King right now, and he worked hard to get there. Ghetto wants to take the crown, but he falls short not because he's not good enough, but because Skepta is more appealing to a wider audience.

But only currently. I'm thinking about all of the live appearances that he does.

[Fewie]

There aint no King of Grime, there are a few guys at top right now doing alot. Wiley is the Godfather of Grime though standard.
.

[Quality Control]

...what's Skepta done to be considered the king!? he aint even in the picture... Ghetto and Doogz are probably ranked 1 and 2 right now in terms of pure spitting talent, but they still aint king...

...Wiley Kat is still the king of grime... he's been droppin' the most heat lately, he's been there at the top as both an MC and a producer since day 1, he's always stayed true to the grime sound, he's formed the biggest crew and raised some of the most talented and successful MCs in the scene as his protégés, he's proven himself in dub wars constantly throughout his career and merked off some of the best MCs in the scene and he even played a big part in establishing the scene in the first place...

...as long as Wiley is a top 5 MC, he'll be king, someone will only take over when he's completely fallen off or retired...

..real tawk..

*bump*

[icecream]

skepta, he made the track and none of you can get the words off your fingers.

its an irrevelent title anyways, does it mean the best, most hyped, most established? no one really knows.

[Grime_Star]

skepta

[compact]

Ill Say Ghettz Or Will
Not Skeppy...But Dnt Twist It Skeppy Is Cold Stil
But Not Da Best

[Tickbites]

Wiley All Day.
1. He Founded Grime.
2. They Might Not Of Been The Best, But His Albums Are Up There.
3. Hes Live In A Rave.
4. Hes The One I Think People Get Hyped About When He Gets On Radio.
5. All The Tunes Ive Heard Lately From Wiley Lately Have Been Straight Fire.

[BG1]

W.man, Wiley.

who ate the pies, classic imo

[Carter]

You cant be king of grime with 2 hip hop mixtapes out

LOL.............

Wiley is King Of Grime

[G.K.]

You cant be king of grime with 2 hip hop mixtapes out

.

[Danny Trejo]

It's a difficult question because to be honest, no-one's really doing it in all areas these days.

You could say Skepta but I haven't felt that much of his recent stuff at all, the odd myspace song but that's all these things are really- low kb snippets with radio bars for the most part that I can't get into because there's not enough bass to trouble the speakers. Aside from that, Skepta's been lacking on radio for the most part this year- OGs & Frisc continually showing him & JME up on sets IMO. And Greatest Hits, although it wasn't bad, was dry and lifeless at times- not enough spirit. One album does not a king make, especially when your old gun bars are better than the new ones.

Ghetto, as sick as FOS is in places, is coming off one average CD in 2000 & Life (not bad but not great) and Ghetto Gospel was just dull to me. Too much filler, 2 or 3 good tracks, nah. Sick on a set and in the rave but at the same time, he hasn't done enough. If he was the King, he'd have murked P Money in a minute. As it stands, I don't even think he can beat him.

Wiley innit, but even then he needs to show radio and he needs to make something big of Race Against Time/Grimewave this year.

[4737]

If there's a king of grime, he needs a slap for the state of his kingdom.

t.

[Hij]

Everything Wileys doing behind the scenes seems to be bubbling nicely and I for one can't wait for his releases.

He'll take his crown back.

[Odotkae]

Doogz Released 1 Grime Ep! Everything Else He Has Done Has Been Sum Hip Hop Bullshit.

Even Doe I Rate Doogz Atm He Cnt Even Be Considered The 'king Of Grime'.

Neither Can Ghetto Or Skepta

Its Wiley! Even Doe I Believe Ghetto Is Better Then Him

Wiley Has A Backlog Of Material (mixtapes & Albums)
Ghetto Has 3 Mixtapes & Skepta Has 1 Album

But All Dis Heirachy Is Pathetic!

Fuckin Wid Da Team Rmx>>>>>every War Dub Between Bbk & Movement!

Think About It For A Sec!

[BG1]

what do people think about Sway? he was big near the start.

[4737]

all this king talk is utter bullshit.

t.

[Retrofreak]

all this king talk is utter bullshit.

t.

^^^^C/S

[Quality Control]

all this king talk is utter bullshit.

t.

..when i read your posts in my head they sound very camp

[Tickbites]

Loool

[Tickbites]

Your Constantly Thinking Something Is Gay Init

[Quality Control]

Your Constantly Thinking Something Is Gay Init

the way he types just comes across as very posh and camp

no offense Tazzy

[MedellinManDem]

Wiley if anyone.
Whatever he's on is the new flex.

[4737]

the way he types just comes across as very posh and camp

no offense Tazzy

none taken. i often read your posts and think of cunts. ;)

t.

[MedellinManDem]

none taken. i often read your posts and think of cunts. ;)

t.

lol

[Quality Control]

none taken. i often read your posts and think of cunts. ;)

t.

that must be pleasant for you