Growth of Grime

[Hij]

And not the one when you don't eat the bread for a couple of weeks!


Is there anyone on Myspace who obviously invests in the scene but just annoys you? Like all the BBK know groupies (Sunjay/Al3x etc- na joking Alex lol) who take a picture of their T Shirt/Box Set of JME's Mixtapes 3 and 4 together and have it as their myspace picture and go on like they are repping the scene hard?

I know for a fact if Dom or Feasible dropped their collections on these guys headpieces it'd be enough to knock em' out- mine too maybe, but its still developing at the moment.

But as grime grows, it will get worse still. As more and more people get interested, you'll have people signing up here/rwd/other places with strong opinions based on taking a small bit of interest in grime in a few weeks.
Is the scene even ready for that?

Totally contradicting what I want my sites to achieve I'd be happy for grime to get moderate success here and there but still be an underground kinda scene, where the long term real fans can still feel like its 'theirs'.

Discuss

[TRU_G]

But as grime grows, it will get worse still. As more and more people get interested, you'll have people signing up here/rwd/other places with strong opinions based on taking a small bit of interest in grime in a few weeks.
Is the scene even ready for that?


LMFAO!!!

I have been talking about grime on forums for years and I will tell you this for free....

It happens everyday, and has been since the start.

Rwd got it worse, best to either try to educate or ignore them sorts

[Quality Control]

...ive noticed that Boy Better Know and Kano before he dropped London Town are the only grime acts to have ever properly had "stans" (very hardcore fans)...

[Hij]

LMFAO!!!

I have been talking about grime on forums for years and I will tell you this for free....

It happens everyday, and has been since the start.

Rwd got it worse, best to either try to educate or ignore them sorts

Ive been into grime from early, but at the very beginning I have to admit I was more of a garage guy, just slowly converted over, so I guess everyone starts somewhere.

Its just when they have the strongest opinions based on very little, or 'commercial' success, as if that is what decides talent...

[ALM]

educate dont hate

[Selenki jj]

grime has bin a bit of a backand fourth thing realy because the raves bkk in da day like eskimo dance and dem 2002 -2003 sidewinders were heavey
but the beats wernt realy to musical but extreamly bassy and powerfull

were as nowadays its probs da reverse were the raves are less ram and vibzish and da beats are alot more musical (( esp Davinche and nocturnal )

i just think if every one made proper songs not jus typical war bars den da scene would progress
To be honest the production levels have stepped up
hang tite jme coz u herd sum topa top stuff and to think dat scratcha rapid and wiley wernt eventhere and the levels were stil high

[Hij]

educate dont hate
If it came across as me hating, thats wrong really.

I think grimes great and want people to get invovled, learn and enjoy it like us innit.

[4737]

That's the problem with people trying to push grime into the mainstream when it's still at a small developmental stage. You get all the Nathan Barley types ("yeah?") who latch on to the scene for the fact that they think it's all ironic and cool, then you have the gimpy youths who think wearing a bbk t-shirt is reppin the scene, and then you have the wasters who sign up to forums with their weak channel-u based knowledge and try and challenge people on their views despite the fact that they are infinitely more qualified to talk about grime than these n00bs.

I still welcome new listeners, but despair when some 14 year old dickhead tries to tell me what grime is. It's thumps on noses time.

t.

[TRU_G]

Its just when they have the strongest opinions based on very little, or 'commercial' success, as if that is what decides talent...

Doesn't have to be commercial success or success at all for that matter....

In all genre's you have people like this, it just seems in Grime they choose to think they know best and don't ever ask for more information on the scene or anything

That said on these forums people make un-educated comments and people pounce on them and ridicule them (me inclcuded I admit) this is probably not the best way to go

[ALM]

you didn't come across as hating im just saying thats the attitude we need.

[Hij]

Yeah Im trying to cut down on the pouncing here lol, trying to restrain myself as well!

Like ALM said innit...

[4737]

That said on these forums people make un-educated comments and people pounce on them and ridicule them (me inclcuded I admit) this is probably not the best way to go

That's the problem with forums. Everyone has an equal voice, no matter how utterly wrong their views are. At the end of the day, airing e-tards out instead of pouncing on them and parring them might be the sensible way to go.

t.

[Selenki jj]

to be honest views and involvment from any were is welcome but cah music is a worldwide thing wich ppl do forget

grime is our music yh but at times ppl feel they must defend it- if they compare it to hip pop then in my eyes thats a great thing - look at how big hip pop is

alie ?

[Selenki jj]

the forums open to everyone and any one init so u gota expect ppl to chat rubbish

[TRU_G]

On Dubstepforum you get countless threads of people saying

'just heard Dubstep for the first time, I love it, please recommend me some more'

or grime forums someone sees one vid on tv and comes on forums like

'Lil' Rascals >>> your favourite crew'

Thats the difference, if a person comes across as a prick, I think people have the right to pounce on them

[Quality Control]

On Dubstepforum you get countless threads of people saying

'just heard Dubstep for the first time, I love it, please recommend me some more'

or grime forums someone sees one vid on tv and comes on forums like

'Lil' Rascals >>> your favourite crew'

Thats the difference, if a person comes across as a prick, I think people have the right to pounce on them

...i post on sohh and they are way worse over there lol.. it's a minor though... these people get slewed and life goes on...

[Jay05]

educate dont hate

true

but if they dont wanna be then its a different route

[RIP Jakey]

I was on the bus on monday and thse little chavs were playin devlin's wiley diss and babylon burner on repeat for about half hour (it was properly pissin me off). Anyway the kid who was playin it was sayin to his mate 'this devlin tune killed wiley, he's the best in grime' which i thought was a bit silly but on the other hand he might know a little about grime. but then his mate went to him 'i aint heard this where did u get it?' and he said ' i know devlin init, he gave me it the other day' (the tune had Logan's sound effects all over it, it was fuckin ridiculous). his mate then said 'what does he give you all his new tunes?' to which he relpied 'yeah, i think i'm one of the first to get this one'

[Stephan El Shaarawy]

I was on the bus on monday and thse little chavs were playin devlin's wiley diss and babylon burner on repeat for about half hour (it was properly pissin me off). Anyway the kid who was playin it was sayin to his mate 'this devlin tune killed wiley, he's the best in grime' which i thought was a bit silly but on the other hand he might know a little about grime. but then his mate went to him 'i aint heard this where did u get it?' and he said ' i know devlin init, he gave me it the other day' (the tune had Logan's sound effects all over it, it was fuckin ridiculous). his mate then said 'what does he give you all his new tunes?' to which he relpied 'yeah, i think i'm one of the first to get this one'

LOOL

but i like bein underground. if the people who listen 2 it support it that shoukd be enuff p tbh

[Joe]

it aint underground no more

[4737]

it aint underground no more

don't kid yourself.

t.

[Joe]

but it aint

[Jay]

It is bare annoying when you get these lil hype kids coming along thinking they know everything about grime because they saw some swag video from of Channel U.

Even more annoying are people like 8T2 that seem to thing because they've put 3/4 shit videos on Channel U, they have "made it".

[D-Structo]

Problem is.... which i saw on rwd forum

Is that it's too much of a computer music.

Making a tune that sounds good on a pc is different from making a tune that sounds good ona sick sound system... it's all about mastering your craft. If people bare this in mind more rather than just being happy with how there making music now... the growth can only develop more.

[The Elijah]

lets hav a page on the front page. 50 tunes to listen to if your first getting into grime.

give them all a background instrumental and vocal stuff off the scene to stop topics coming up over and over again. Have what label it came out on, the youtube link if there is a video, a click 2 buy if you can still buy it and a link 2 to the artists myspace that made the tune.

For instance, everyone knows the beat pulse x, but not alot of people know what its called or who made it, same with tunes like rhythm and gash

['nuum general]

lets hav a page on the front page. 50 tunes to listen to if your first getting into grime.



very good idea, theres plenty of classics out there which get forgotten.

The computer music point is an important one, and i think it stems from there not been a regular (ie weekly or fortnightly) grime night where the djs can play the big tunes. nights like fwd & dmz are why dubstep has developed so fast over the last 18 months. Grime needs an equivelant.

Finally as an emerging scene grime is gonna get new listeners looking to air their views despite their limited knowledge. Hopefully this is where grime wiki comes in .

[adidasgrandad]

And not the one when you don't eat the bread for a couple of weeks!


Is there anyone on Myspace who obviously invests in the scene but just annoys you? Like all the BBK know groupies (Sunjay/Al3x etc- na joking Alex lol) who take a picture of their T Shirt/Box Set of JME's Mixtapes 3 and 4 together and have it as their myspace picture and go on like they are repping the scene hard?

I know for a fact if Dom or Feasible dropped their collections on these guys headpieces it'd be enough to knock em' out- mine too maybe, but its still developing at the moment.

But as grime grows, it will get worse still. As more and more people get interested, you'll have people signing up here/rwd/other places with strong opinions based on taking a small bit of interest in grime in a few weeks.
Is the scene even ready for that?

Totally contradicting what I want my sites to achieve I'd be happy for grime to get moderate success here and there but still be an underground kinda scene, where the long term real fans can still feel like its 'theirs'.

Discuss

this already annoys me

[Pred]

Back when Grime first came out it was purely underground. Now it's more known, but still underground enough for the kids who didn't know about it before to claim underground fan status. But to us they are any waste beings.

[Stephan El Shaarawy]

alot of people THINK they listen 2 grime cus they hear the name floatin about

with the amount of true fans there are its underground

[Pred]

Chances are I was one of the first in my town to get deep into Grime in regards to getting hold of the music...I remember burning TotI on CD and taking it into school and no-one knowing much about who Wiley was.

[Jay05]

I have never spoke to any1 with anything like me grime knowledge.

A lot of ppl have heard of or has listened to

Wiley, BBK, Dizzee, Kano, Lethal and maybe a random name.

but they know very little apart from a few obvious thing. Recently I was having a few drinks before going out in the uni halls and som1 put on Duppy, i asked him if he liked SKepta and he replied yes and then when i said how he had changed the guy was lost.

Same thing happened a different time with Wiley and playing Bow E3 and i mentioned the tunnel vision series and again the guy was lost.

Grime is still very much underground

[Quality Control]

I have never spoke to any1 with anything like me grime knowledge.

A lot of ppl have heard of or has listened to

Wiley, BBK, Dizzee, Kano, Lethal and maybe a random name.

but they know very little apart from a few obvious thing. Recently I was having a few drinks before going out in the uni halls and som1 put on Duppy, i asked him if he liked SKepta and he replied yes and then when i said how he had changed the guy was lost.

Same thing happened a different time with Wiley and playing Bow E3 and i mentioned the tunnel vision series and again the guy was lost.

Grime is still very much underground

..where do you live..?

[Sick Boy]

Right now I think anyone genuinely interested in seeing this scene achieve the success it has deserved for a long time now should stop hating everybody who supports it who isn't like them.

Anyone who wants to pay these artists to hear their music is good in my books. It's more than a lot of the heads (read: "true" fans) in this scene do anyway.

[Kaychi]

i think grime is at that stage where they need more than just the music 2 promote the scene....obviously t-shirts are coming out. they're the main thing. But wearin the T doesnt show ur reppin the scene. for example ppl who myt like indie myt buy a dizze top or sumthin..cuz he tapped in2 dat set of fans, doesnt mean they like the scenes hes involved in.

i dnt know if i made any sense....hol tyt me!!

[Oh So Sho Though]

Fuck this elitist attitude your all sounding like little bitches right now.

Think that cause you been listening longer you hold more weight than the next listener? Grime was never about this loooooooooool.

[Hij]

Fuck this elitist attitude your all sounding like little bitches right now.

Think that cause you been listening longer you hold more weight than the next listener? Grime was never about this loooooooooool.

Was gonna say 'fair enough' to your post until you said the bolded bit mate.

No sending but what gives you the elitist status as a spokesperson to tell us what grime was originally about then? Unless your implying you've listened from the start, been listening longer and its your opinion 'Grime was never about this' and therefore your opinion holds more weight, seeing as you wrote it as fact, rather than 'I thought grime was never about this'?

Seemed to contradict the rest of your post.

[Llelo]

And not the one when you don't eat the bread for a couple of weeks!


Is there anyone on Myspace who obviously invests in the scene but just annoys you? Like all the BBK know groupies (Sunjay/Al3x etc- na joking Alex lol) who take a picture of their T Shirt/Box Set of JME's Mixtapes 3 and 4 together and have it as their myspace picture and go on like they are repping the scene hard?

I know for a fact if Dom or Feasible dropped their collections on these guys headpieces it'd be enough to knock em' out- mine too maybe, but its still developing at the moment.

But as grime grows, it will get worse still. As more and more people get interested, you'll have people signing up here/rwd/other places with strong opinions based on taking a small bit of interest in grime in a few weeks.
Is the scene even ready for that?

Totally contradicting what I want my sites to achieve I'd be happy for grime to get moderate success here and there but still be an underground kinda scene, where the long term real fans can still feel like its 'theirs'.

Discuss

To be honest aren't u one of these people? Or was at the start anyways.

Cos you ain't exactly from the ends, or London even i think?

so u must of started off listening to it like that at some point, not like u grew up listening to olders mcing and having a pirate running from ur estate. (im just assuming from what uve said on forums before).

but yeh these people are quite annoying but it happens with everything. DUBSTEP gets it at the moment, bare white pillhead/drug college kids from rich parents in nice places are on dubstep from last few months. give it a year none of them will listen to it anymore.

[BG1]

grime aint dead, it just took a couple shots.

[Hij]

To be honest aren't u one of these people? Or was at the start anyways.

Cos you ain't exactly from the ends, or London even i think?

so u must of started off listening to it like that at some point, not like u grew up listening to olders mcing and having a pirate running from ur estate. (im just assuming from what uve said on forums before).

but yeh these people are quite annoying but it happens with everything. DUBSTEP gets it at the moment, bare white pillhead/drug college kids from rich parents in nice places are on dubstep from last few months. give it a year none of them will listen to it anymore.

Yeah, you've got a few assumptions right, but I've never tried to portray myself as anything other than that. I got money troubles still, but I got a job and Ive never claimed to be a road man, don't get me wrong, Im out on the street a lot, drunk, chasing girls, passing spliffs, but I aint really doing road moves or nefin, Im just on the music- and in St Albans we don't get lemon, lol which is why I got confused, but anyway yea.

To be fair, I was just on about new people who don't take time to look at other aspects of the scene but come immediately with strong opinions- imagine Wiley blows up and people on here and try and tell you his content is better than Durrty Goodz or something, based on a quick interest in the scene and copying the newspapers/reviewers opinions- thats what I meant- could it be annoying? Probably. Its partly based on hating shit MC's get famous and get a load of fans, while the good people find it harder. E.G Theres bare issues around Hadouken with me really etc.

As for my music tastes and how I got into grime, Im 20, when I was 13 and going to the underage clubs and house parties it was all garage and house, then I moved to So Solid/Oxide and Neutrino and they were the catalyst for me to start delving deeper and find out about new stuff- I started somewhere, mostly on a purely uk music tip, everyone does and its good people take an interest in the scene- but I've been listening for ages now.

I think the key part of it is, I wouldn't have bothered making sites to promote the music if I didn't think new fans would come along- and the sites are here to educate, not hate like Angry Man was saying- great little summary.

But the post weren't about endz, or where I live, its me just wondering about new people who will follow our music as a fashion, give their opinions on 'our' music (based on the latest NME or whatever magazine's article) and then fuck off to the next thing.

Thats what i meant.

[Jay05]

..where do you live..?

cambridge and at uni in birmingham.

[Oh So Sho Though]

Was gonna say 'fair enough' to your post until you said the bolded bit mate.

No sending but what gives you the elitist status as a spokesperson to tell us what grime was originally about then? Unless your implying you've listened from the start, been listening longer and its your opinion 'Grime was never about this' and therefore your opinion holds more weight, seeing as you wrote it as fact, rather than 'I thought grime was never about this'?

Seemed to contradict the rest of your post.

Because i'm not being an elitist.

I'm jus saying that I remember when man was bubbling in Eskimo Dance I don't remember anyone coming up to me saying "Ayo fam do you even know what your listening to?" When I was a virgin to all this shit noone was saying "You newb your opinion don't count"

I beg you don't try flip what i'm saying around cause that was not the point I was tryna make.

[Hij]

Because i'm not being an elitist.

I'm jus saying that I remember when man was bubbling in Eskimo Dance I don't remember anyone coming up to me saying "Ayo fam do you even know what your listening to?" When I was a virgin to all this shit noone was saying "You newb your opinion don't count"

I beg you don't try flip what i'm saying around cause that was not the point I was tryna make.

Fair enough. Im not personally saying peoples opinions don't count though, just it can jar me if its a strong opinion based on very little knowledge, thats all, I aint trying to be elitist either- I assumed your post was aimed at me seeing as I started the thread, thats all.

And believe me, If people like the music, thats excellent from where Im standing- I encourage new listeners and people who sign up to this forum who are new will be protected from loads of insults.

[Oh So Sho Though]

Nah I was talking about this board as a whole.

[Hij]

Oh alright then, I agree to an extent then, Ill chat more later, gotta hit the road and go home from work.

[Oh So Sho Though]

Cool, I can't really disambiguate my point cah one chicks waiting for me but still what i'm getting at is theres a massive bandwagon on here an it seems like when someone goes against it people try defend it like say its there life (Example my Jendor thread)

Bare people got uptight about MY OPINION.

Llow everyone being sheep.

[Molecules]

its been said. ignore the haters; ignore the kids, kids are idiots. atm i'm living in the country, out here you talk about the grime scene today and people think you're talking about the dirt under your fingernails. all this fanboy dick waving means fuck all. it's the grime vets who started grimepedia, the forums and the blogs and who helped me learn about this music in the 1st place..the rest can shataap