8t2 topic of the week-the state of grime today

[8T2]

Back in 2004 there was something called??? I don't know....

all I know is when forward riddem video came on television the volume would go up and I would start jumping around my living room.....

what was this music called???? I didn't care....it was just serious

then Wiley came out with the video what do you call it???

Crazy Titch, JME, Wiley even Wong......just a lot of characters popped up....

suddenly the genre had a name "grime" and to me Dizzee Rascal was the epitome of it.

What was grime?? It was young black boys saying "we can make good music and we don't care about what the mainstream and record labels think."

A long with this mentality you have the college days hype, happy slap videos appear everyone is hype...

4 years down the line what do we have??? We have the leaders of the grime scene suddenly running around trying anything in their power to get signed to a major record label?? it's the exact opposite of grime stood for when it started.

With the exception of Chipmunk every new artist that comes out we are quick to know down...why??? subconsciously we know that if we build them up they will just do a Kano or Dizze and try and escape to Ibizia and make pop/rap songs.

I love Giggs as much as the next man but this scene just seems polluted it seems like grime has lost the fun and excitement it had in the beginning. Westwood shows me on his show that there are a lot of talented mc's out there but grime just doesn't seem to have the heart it once had all those years ago.

And nothing is worse than seeing someone who had heat in 2004 trying to show the same fire in 2008.

Discuss....

[Lemon]

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tl/dr

[Carter]

No no lets be fair this seems like a good thread even though his timeline is a bit messed up

[x Cee x]

lmfao

[8T2]

Lemon you got any intelligent views on the subject?

[Lemon]

No no lets be fair this seems like a good thread even though his timeline is a bit messed up

maybe
But i thought i'd bump as it got air, although for me was too long, didnt read

God Bless

[Carter]

The Channel U hype messed up the scene, the second SLK got their video on Channel U they stopped doing radio and tracks.....so did everybdoy featured on Forward Riddim! Plus it put lots pf people in the public eye that weren't ready or didn't need to be seen or heard like Mr Wong, Nu Brand Flex, Agrro and you

[8T2]

like I have said before don't blame Channel U

Channel U are the ones who rinsed forward riddem and made the people what they were.

Even the asian guy from the video has a career from just having a cameo in the video. That's how important Channel U are or were at the time.

[Sheff.Steel]

This aint memory lane, im afraid grandpa' and i think you're incorrect about every man

wanting a record deal.

If a deal comes, course man will take it but people like GC are still pushing the

underground. The underground will always be there and the scene is strong for that

reason.

[Carter]

like I have said before don't blame Channel U

Channel U are the ones who rinsed forward riddem and made the people what they were.

Even the asian guy from the video has a career from just having a cameo in the video. That's how important Channel U are or were at the time.

Channel U made the people what they are now..............nothing

It was over exposure for the young scene

So Solid Crew didn't have Channel U, and it Channel U didn't make Dizzee Rascal or Wiley

Grime didn't need Channel U and it still doesn't

[DoubleU7]

I love Giggs as much as the next man but this scene just seems polluted it seems like grime has lost the fun and excitement it had in the beginning. Westwood shows me on his show that there are a lot of talented mc's out there but grime just doesn't seem to have the heart it once had all those years ago.

And nothing is worse than seeing someone who had heat in 2004 trying to show the same fire in 2008.

Discuss....

wer did this bit come from??

[Danny Trejo]

Channel U made the people what they are now..............nothing

It was over exposure for the young scene

So Solid Crew didn't have Channel U, and it Channel U didn't make Dizzee Rascal or Wiley

Grime didn't need Channel U and it still doesn't

No you don't get it. They made FWD riddim, then went straight to making the video, played it there, and that's how it started getting played on sets and radio.

[8T2]

correct

and Dizzee Rascal wouldn't be around if Channel U didn't rinse I love you. Fact.

[Grimes]

channel u is a double edged sword. young scene

[00GRiME00]

myspace and internet came along

any fat waste or neek could become an "MC" or "Artist"

[Danny Trejo]

lol

[Danny Trejo]

correct

and Dizzee Rascal wouldn't be around if Channel U didn't rinse I love you. Fact.

lol

[Carter]

No you don't get it. They made FWD riddim, then went straight to making the video, played it there, and that's how it started getting played on sets and radio.

I'm sure you're joking because I remember Diesel banging it out talking about the video coming soon? And Titch's DJ played it and said the video was coming soon and titch said "I don't care my video is going on Base"

[Grimes]

channel u was just the beggining

[Sheff.Steel]

correct

and Dizzee Rascal wouldn't be around if Channel U didn't rinse I love you. Fact.

Course he would, just wouldnt have ever entered the grime scene, leaving

every1 bitter. he would have still made it, just wouldnt have had to sell out

to get there.

[Carter]

correct

and Dizzee Rascal wouldn't be around if Channel U didn't rinse I love you. Fact.

Ergh so Dizzee Rascal wouldn't be around if his first single on a major record label didn't get played on a digital only channel??????

He was already signed

The track didn't do much anyway

His career took off with Fix Up Look Sharp

[8T2]

yeah which was rinsed on Channel U

at the time EVERYONE used to watch Channel U trust me I was on it I know.

[Ryddel]

myspace and internet came along

any fat waste or neek could become an "MC" or "Artist"

Indirect lol

[THOR!]

The downfall of the scene was not the day artists searched a deal, or the day people tried to recapture a vibe long lost. No, the downfall was the day you picked up a pen my friend. A sad day.

[Danny Trejo]

I'm sure you're joking because I remember Diesel banging it out talking about the video coming soon? And Titch's DJ played it and said the video was coming soon and titch said "I don't care my video is going on Base"

lol i could make up anything to agree with him here and 8T2 would say it was true i reckon

[8T2]

as far as I can remember I can see you by Crazy Titch was rinsed on Channel U. END OF.

[8T2]

I was on Channel U before myspace even existed 2004.

[00GRiME00]

I was on Channel U before myspace even existed 2004.

wot have u done in 4 years seriously??

u ever been played on 1xtra kiss or choice???

u ever been invited by westwood or logan??

da industry dont care about u, road mans dont care about u, the youth dont care about u and finally the forums dont care bout u

[8T2]

I care about myself that's all I can hope for and don't watch what I done in 4 years that's not for you to know.

[The Egghead]

Base,Kiss and even the box were rinsing "Just a rascal" and "Fix up look sharp". You can't say dizzee blew just because of channel U. The man won a mercury music prize aswell, the attention that gets is way above the levels of channel U.

[00GRiME00]

I care about myself that's all I can hope for and don't watch what I done in 4 years that's not for you to know.

82 i know ur mum and ur friends keep praising u for ur music

but wake up and smell the coffee u fat fuck, u have no appeal 2 NOBODY

yeh u r educated and u always gt a smart answer for everyting become a politican u delusional waste

[8T2]

fair play Dizzee has skills but without Channel U little school kids wouldn't know the lyrics to his songs. That's what got him famous.

[Carter]

yeah which was rinsed on Channel U

at the time EVERYONE used to watch Channel U trust me I was on it I know.

You're missing the point, Dizzee Rascal was already signed to a label after vinyl releases, pirate radio and raves across the country! That label got him major radio play and mercury award..........not Channel U

[THOR!]

I have been in the scene a long long time. I was there when Garage rejected the music and particular artists (very few people know this). Grime did not build up from the ashes of Garage like popular opinion, no, the artists you see at the top today such as your Wiley's and etc were rejected from Garage, it just so happens that Garage died a death soon after - convenient. I saw the birth of Channel U, and saw its popularity amongst the youth. It was a very novel idea, to have a channel controlled and supplied by the scene it was promoting, unfortunately greed and selfishness rendered the channel useless because there was zero quality control, and that is apparent to this day. Dizzee Rascal was signed to one of the biggest independent record labels around - XL Recordings. To put Dizzee Rascals success down to a Channel like that is completely insane. I am not saying Channel U did not have a very very small part to play in his promotion, but I for one did not watch the channel and yet I knew about Dizzee AND bought his album.

Dizzee got signed at the end of an era, the music industry was on its last legs and was still willing to pump a limited degree of money into an artist and their career - he slipped in the door. Soon after the digital age begun and everything went to pot with P2P sharing and what not. Channel U are not responsible for anyones career but 8T2's, and you can see where that got him.

[8T2]

fair enough if you think Dizzee Rascal would be a house hold name from getting his video played a couple times on late night MTV Base and an award where you never hear from the winners again. Fair play to you.

[8T2]

don't be silly there are more people than me that Channel U helped build.

[Carter]

fair enough if you think Dizzee Rascal would be a house hold name from getting his video played a couple times on late night MTV Base and an award where you never hear from the winners again. Fair play to you.

Ok I've had enough, ban him now please

[Trapstar]

off topic but on channel u in 15 mins theres a programme called strictly chipmunk.

[THOR!]

fair enough if you think Dizzee Rascal would be a house hold name from getting his video played a couple times on late night MTV Base and an award where you never hear from the winners again. Fair play to you.

THE MERCURY MUSIC AWARD MADE DIZZEE RASCAL - FACT. HE WAS THE FIRST 'HIP HOP' ACT TO EVER RECEIVE SUCH A HIGHLY CREDITED AWARD. Where the hell did you get the twisted idea that Channel U holds more relevance than MTV and Mercury?

[Carter]

Saying Channel U was better than MTV Base, MTV 2, Kiss 100, Radio One, 1xtra, NME features & Mercury Award is the most stupid thing I've heard on this forum

[00GRiME00]

Ok I've had enough, ban him now please

.

[The Egghead]

fair enough if you think Dizzee Rascal would be a house hold name from getting his video played a couple times on late night MTV Base and an award where you never hear from the winners again. Fair play to you.

Please research things before you post!

Winners of said award:

Primal Scream
Suede
M people
Portishead
Pulp
Roni Size
Gomez
Talvin Singh(okay i've never heard of him tbh.)
Badly Drawn Boy
PJ Harvey
Ms dynamite
Dizzee
Frandz ferdinand

I cant be arsed to list no more, but to say you never hear from the winners again is a stupid statement.

[8T2]

i'm not saying it's better but let me ask you

would Chipmunk be a household name if he wasn't on Channel U everysecond?

what about N-Dubs? DJ Ironik? That channel can build stars that's all i'm saying.

Sure it doesn't help many grime stars anymore get known but it did when it started,

[Sheff.Steel]

Dont you remember what happened when dizzee won the award? He stayed quiet and went home, it was the media that was looking for him, not the other way around. How can you say the channel U was more influential towards them than getting a mercury? The media thought he was the start of some new black era to come from the underground. this set the benchmark for the other guys to get their slice and confidence to do so.

[8T2]

yeah people who won the mercury award were big before the award. i'm saying the award don't make you a star.

[THOR!]

i'm not saying it's better but let me ask you

would Chipmunk be a household name if he wasn't on Channel U everysecond?

what about N-Dubs? DJ Ironik? That channel can build stars that's all i'm saying.

Sure it doesn't help many grime stars anymore get known but it did when it started,

I do not have Channel U, never watched the channel in my life. I knew about Chipmunk in 2005 when he was 14 yelling about Peter Pan and Neverland.

Your opinion is void.

[The Egghead]

i'm not saying it's better but let me ask you

would Chipmunk be a household name if he wasn't on Channel U everysecond?

what about N-Dubs? DJ Ironik? That channel can build stars that's all i'm saying.

Sure it doesn't help many grime stars anymore get known but it did when it started,

Chipmunk is hardly a household name. When I went to college in hinckley, guys had never heard of Kano, I was stunned.

[Sheff.Steel]

i'm not saying it's better but let me ask you

would Chipmunk be a household name if he wasn't on Channel U everysecond?

Yes, i know about him and i havent watched/had sky for 4 years and it aint because of this forum either, trust me on that. boy gets no mention on here apparently. He made his own name, give him credit for that much.

[Sheff.Steel]

yeah people who won the mercury award were big before the award. i'm saying the award don't make you a star.

But half of britain didnt know dizzee before this. After he got it, the demand came, so how can you say that?

[8T2]

yeah well fair enough

JME managed it without Channel u

[The Egghead]

yeah people who won the mercury award were big before the award. i'm saying the award don't make you a star.

I know wiki sources should be given for fact but..

The awards usually take place in September but nominated albums are announced in July. It is often observed that bands who are nominated for, or indeed win the prize experience a large increase in album sales, particularly for the lesser known nominees.[1] Nominations are chosen by a selected panel of musicians, music executives, journalists and other figures in the music industry in the UK and Ireland. The Mercury Prize also has a reputation for being awarded to outside chances rather than the favourites.[2]

[8T2]

yh of course

I remember before the Mercury Awards asher.d was bigger than Dizzee.

lol

[Trapstar]

Right now on channel u they are ruunning chipmunk videos for the next half and hour

[8T2]

calm down chimpmunks always on there must have good management.

[The Egghead]

Seriously do you work for channel u or something?

[8T2]

egg head have you got channel u

[Major]

chipmunk was being played on mtv bass anyway.

[8T2]

yeah MTV BASE play u.k acts but not non stop they got a good balance though to rep u.k but not make their channel look cheap. they are real pros.

[Grimes]

channel u is more powerful than logan's show?

true or false

[Keerin]

I heard more new artists one time I listened to logans show than a week of listening to ndubz and chippy on CHU...

[8T2]

true for exposure radio wont get u recognised on road.

[kyro]

The thing i've never understood about grime 'artists' is that they make thier name within the grime scene, and when the mainstream does catch on, there catching onto them for doing/making GRIME. Kano was a classic example who had loads of press, reviews, hype around home sweet home and did well. (from what i can remember) the second he decided to give Ironik & any amreican rapper a run for thier money he flopped, Hard.

[critic of musical arts]

can i just say 'wot do you call it' was made before forward riddem. you tried to make a seroius thread and you put some valid points across but from when you make mistakes smh. plus your saying channel u makes stars which is kinda true is that why u keep do videos for that channel? seems like the easy route to me, chipmunk did well from channel u but he did put the groundwork in way before his video days. he did bare radio sets, collabs, promos, mixtapes.

8t2 i've never heard you no sets before uno. all i know of u is cheap channel u videos to be honest.

[8T2]

why go to radio when I can get a million times the exposure going on sky t.v

[D-Structo]

why go to radio when I can get a million times the exposure going on sky t.v

for credibility.

[critic of musical arts]

why go to radio when I can get a million times the exposure going on sky t.v

all im saying is your mentioning grime, but you didnt take the grime route i dont associate you with grime really.

[8T2]

credibilty just gets u male fans I'm after females aswell.

[Major]

why go to radio when I can get a million times the exposure going on sky t.v

very good point but theres such thing as bad exposure lol why go to channel u when people only look on it and thing hahaha this guys shit just made a quick video in a white room?

[8T2]

not me my videos are original.

[critic of musical arts]

not me my videos are original.

:laugh:

so basically your not doing music for your love of music, your doing it for gash.

[Major]

not me my videos are original.

from time my mum watches channel u to laugh at people like u then the channel must be shit.

[The Egghead]

egg head have you got channel u

Not no more no, but whenever im round my mate's and its on, most of the attempts at music is shockingly awful, full of rich kids who think they can mc when daddy's paid for the video.

[8T2]

I paid for my own video. Sounds like your bitter that you haven't got one. Just put together a little youtube one like Skepta.

[Hij]

why go to radio when I can get a million times the exposure going on sky t.v
You have just over 117,000 views on Myspace even though you must promote yourself more than anybody else I've ever seen.

'Millions'?

[Captain]

cliffs?

lulz @ reading anything that long written by 8t2

[The Egghead]

I paid for my own video. Sounds like your bitter that you haven't got one. Just put together a little youtube one like Skepta.

If you read my post properly I said "most" not all. Also why put a video together when I don't mc no more? Don't channel U take a profit of all money made off the song aswell? I remember reading some contract ages ago along the lines of that.

[8T2]

millions as in people knowing who you are

what you know about going out of ends and having a complete stranger know who you are?

[8T2]

if your on channel u they can use your song for whatever they want and profit of it

[Hij]

what you know about going out of ends and having a complete stranger know who you are?

Nothing, but I'm not aiming for that am I, so its a stupid comparison. Its like a doctor saying to me 'What you know about removing a lower intestine'? Well I've not spent 3 years of my life trying to remove a lower intestine, OR trying to carve out a music career.

To be honest, if you came into a club in my endz, I wouldn't know who you were- no hype. 'Millions' of people knowing who you are right and based on that you gave 10 cd's to Channel U? Tiny Bee sold more than you on Grimestore and we don't have an 1/8th of the visitors Channel U do.

























And if being that 'famous' means I get butters girls like this to do gif pics then I'd rather not.

http://a785.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/84/m_79d56f588a6dbf1f2b378c397373cd10.gif

[Hij]

if your on channel u they can use your song for whatever they want and profit of it
Exactly. What a redundant idea.

[Hij]

And please change the avatar, I keep thinking your Grimes.

[The Egghead]

if your on channel u they can use your song for whatever they want and profit of it

That's disgusting.

[8T2]

well when you sign the contract it states that.....how u think they come out with compilation albums

[Trapstar]

dCZUSAvzVIs&mode=related&search=WILEY

Put the workin, stop blowing your own trumpet and recognise levels

[Hij]

well when you sign the contract it states that.....how u think they come out with compilation albums
I knew from 2 years ago Channel U is a deadout vechicle to make money off the back of the music scene.

You should be boycotting that shit, not using it.

[Jammie Dodger]

Have we actually engaged in convo with him.

[8T2]

well Channel U can use my music for whatever they like I want the fame.

[Jammie Dodger]

I dunno what this is about,

But whats a topic of the week ?

[8T2]

every week I choose a topic for people to discuss.

[Hij]

No need, this topic comes up every week anyway.

[BG1]

8t2, I would you to be the father on my babies....

[Hij]

well Channel U can use my music for whatever they like I want the fame.
Whats your profit/loss on your music career so far?

Kill some hookers if you want fame, its what everyone else does.

[8T2]

well
shake it fast cost £800
I can b ur friend cost around £1550
cd costs around 50 p per cd x 200= £100
studio time £100 p/h

I haven't made much profit but I would have had I know about prs video royalties because shake it fast got rinsed.

[Jammie Dodger]

What was grime?? It was young black boys saying "we can make good music and we don't care about what the mainstream and record labels think."

A long with this mentality you have the college days hype, happy slap videos appear everyone is hype...

4 years down the line what do we have??? We have the leaders of the grime scene suddenly running around trying anything in their power to get signed to a major record label?? it's the exact opposite of grime stood for when it started.

With the exception of Chipmunk every new artist that comes out we are quick to know down...why??? subconsciously we know that if we build them up they will just do a Kano or Dizze and try and escape to Ibizia and make pop/rap songs.

I love Giggs as much as the next man but this scene just seems polluted it seems like grime has lost the fun and excitement it had in the beginning. Westwood shows me on his show that there are a lot of talented mc's out there but grime just doesn't seem to have the heart it once had all those years ago.

And nothing is worse than seeing someone who had heat in 2004 trying to show the same fire in 2008.

Discuss....

Your main thread seems like waste tbh, because,

If you had read stuff, theres a interview right when Grime was evolving (Deja Days) where some guys interviewing D Double E. To cut the long story short, they made music for their life (to make money), not as a hobby (What you describe it as)

Secondly, WTF, How do you associate Happy Slaps with Grime. Completely Irrelevant.

As for the four years down the line thing, Everyone still makes Grime, and they've paid their dues to tthe scene. YOU 8T2 are NOT one to talk about that subject.

Just reading your whole post, it makes no sense, What exactly do you want us to discuss ?

[8T2]

chris that is in the other topic where people are discussing it.

you remind me of the one crazy kid everyone had in their primary school class who had to sit in the corner.

[Jammie Dodger]

Its in this thread you dick.

What exactly do you want us to discuss ?

[00GRiME00]

well
shake it fast cost £800
I can b ur friend cost around £1550
cd costs around 50 p per cd x 200= £100
studio time £100 p/h

I haven't made much profit but I would have had I know about prs video royalties because shake it fast got rinsed.

82 suck ur mum

[8T2]

discuss the state that grime is in 2008

[Hij]

well
shake it fast cost £800
I can b ur friend cost around £1550
cd costs around 50 p per cd x 200= £100
studio time £100 p/h

I haven't made much profit but I would have had I know about prs video royalties because shake it fast got rinsed.

A lot of money for fame.

Surely killing some hookers would be a cheaper way to be known UK wide

[Jammie Dodger]

discuss the state that grime is in 2008

Ok Then,

But why did that have question have nothing to do with what you wrote.

[4737]

Making music and spending a lot of money merely for the pursuit of crap satellite fame, and to be spotted/loved-off in your local JD Sports by some pre-pubescent wastegash is really not the one.

Your life, it seems, is one of a desperate need for acceptance. They call that Narcissistic Personality Disorder.

You, my son, have lost the game.

t.

[Jammie Dodger]

Making music and spending a lot of money merely for the pursuit of crap satellite fame, and to be spotted/loved-off in your local JD Sports by some pre-pubescent wastegash is really not the one.

Your life, it seems, is one of a desperate need for acceptance. They call that Narcissistic Personality Disorder.

You, my son, have lost the game.

t.

Everything has been said in simply that post. But 8T2 still wont accept it.

[8T2]

I will look that up online you may be right.

[Trapstar]

weirdo

[8T2]

judge not for you be judged first

[4737]

judge not for you be judged first

judge not lest ye be judged.

also, too many cooks spoil the broth and a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.

any other little sayings you want me to set you straight on?

t.

[8T2]

thanks for the advice bro

[Hij]

poil the broth and a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.



A bird in the bed is worth two, dead in the field?

Trust me 8t2, kill some hookers, you'll be on front pages in no time. Make sure it takes a while to catch you though.

[8T2]

you seemed a bit obsessed with hookers bro! are you feeling alright?

[S.I.K. Productions]

A bird in the bed is worth two, dead in the field?

Trust me 8t2, kill some hookers, you'll be on front pages in no time. Make sure it takes a while to catch you though.

lol

[Hij]

you seemed a bit obsessed with hookers bro! are you feeling alright?

All the famous guys killed hookers.

Jack, that guy from Ipswich, the Wigan one etc

You could be known as 8T2 the Ripper!

[The Enigma]

I was calling tunes Grime back in 2002, so wat u on about 2004, pedro?

Fwd riddem was a hype tune, but it wasnt real " Grime "

It had grime mc's on it, and the beat was hype, but it was just Hip hop stabs on a 808 sub kick, with claps. More of a hip hop beat tbh.

[Trapstar]

I was calling tunes Grime back in 2002, so wat u on about 2004, pedro?

Fwd riddem was a hype tune, but it wasnt real " Grime "

It had grime mc's on it, and the beat was hype, but it was just Hip hop stabs on a 808 sub kick, with claps. More of a hip hop beat tbh.how can you say that dexplicit beat is hip hop it is clearly not tunes like forward sound nutthing like ice rink,jamhot,hungry tiger,one in all,are you ready,all grime beats vary to much to say that.

and what do you see as real grime?

[The Enigma]

how can you say that dexplicit beat is hip hop it is clearly not tunes like forward sound nutthing like ice rink,jamhot,hungry tiger,one in all,are you ready,all grime beats vary to much to say that.

and what do you see as real grime?

grimey basslines etc.

fwd was a sampled hype hip hop tune.

those sounds dexplicit used can be heard in any hip hop tune.

like straight flush etc.

[Trapstar]

fwd sounds like grime to me regardless of the samples it was hype fast and had bass blatent grime

[Galvatron]

Am I supposed to say his name like eighty two? Most people think channel U is a joke. If you want to be famous make bassline people might confuse you T2

[Jammie Dodger]

The only thing 8T2 has proven, Is how to get over 100 posts in a day.

[Arkan]

The only thing 8T2 has proven, Is how to get over 100 posts in a day.

even though the only thing ive read of his since he joined was the first post.....has he got over a hundred posts by chattin total air pie with a cherry of fraff on top?

[Jammie Dodger]

has he got over a hundred posts by chattin total air pie with a cherry of fraff on top?

He sureeee Has.

[Sheff.Steel]

You, my son, have lost the game.

t.



SHIT, i just lost the fucking game!

[[Mr_SnoWman]]

oh no.

who told him to sign up here.

go back to talkin air on rwd.

please.


Im taking bets.

banned or boycotted off the forums in under a week.

(unless an attitude/persona/lyric book change comes into place)

[8T2]

wha gwan snowman don't talk about me discuss the topic.

[[Mr_SnoWman]]

sorry bruv

but u bring it on yourself.

Either your really clever, and make yourself look like this to the public fo fun? promotion? or your degree was at night school for over 30's.


personally i feel grime is evolving, it will never go back to shank shank wen im ere, cus the mass public dont want to buy it.
Good music is good music.
Shit music is shit music.

[8T2]

your right bro

but I heard Ghetto say T2 Heartbroken was grime

but they come with the name 4x4 whats your opinion

[chickenkormapilauandnaan]

I have been in the scene a long long time. I was there when Garage rejected the music and particular artists (very few people know this). Grime did not build up from the ashes of Garage like popular opinion, no, the artists you see at the top today such as your Wiley's and etc were rejected from Garage, it just so happens that Garage died a death soon after - convenient. I saw the birth of Channel U, and saw its popularity amongst the youth. It was a very novel idea, to have a channel controlled and supplied by the scene it was promoting, unfortunately greed and selfishness rendered the channel useless because there was zero quality control, and that is apparent to this day. Dizzee Rascal was signed to one of the biggest independent record labels around - XL Recordings. To put Dizzee Rascals success down to a Channel like that is completely insane. I am not saying Channel U did not have a very very small part to play in his promotion, but I for one did not watch the channel and yet I knew about Dizzee AND bought his album.

Dizzee got signed at the end of an era, the music industry was on its last legs and was still willing to pump a limited degree of money into an artist and their career - he slipped in the door. Soon after the digital age begun and everything went to pot with P2P sharing and what not. Channel U are not responsible for anyones career but 8T2's, and you can see where that got him.


Bang on point

[8T2]

yeah good comment there pat on the back to you.

seriously.

[[Mr_SnoWman]]

your right bro

but I heard Ghetto say T2 Heartbroken was grime

but they come with the name 4x4 whats your opinion

People are trying to pigeon hole shit far too much

Grime, Dubstep, Bassline house/4x4/niche, funky house.

It all basically came from the same place, the same urban scene that we support.

If we just push our urban sound as a whole we will succeed.

Good music is good music.

Thats why most mc's now doin the Indi ting put 4x4, dubstep, grime, oldskool and other genres on there mixtape, its all urban.

[8T2]

yeah to me grime is the same thing as jungle in 1994.

[Jammie Dodger]

Bang on point

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[00GRiME00]

fuck 82

wot do u know about grime u moot

blud how old r u u luk like u gt aids 4 real

[8T2]

god forbid and that talk is disgusting

[Arkan]

Wheres Natza.
We need a nother 'funnyman' war.

"oooooh im gonna do a tune, yeah im safe with marcus " rer ter ter.

8t2 actually won that battle by doing nothing.

Which is totally the attidude he should do to his 'commercial' music.



Hes an intelligent lad(SOMETIMES)
But the music is straight woolworths 99p bin.

[8T2]

take that talk to rwd forum this is big man talk.

[Royal-T]

take that talk to rwd forum this is big man talk.

Brother youve been on the forum all day and posted 100 odd posts.
Jus cool it and link one of your supposed chicks.Your diggin a deeper grave for yourself.

[Jammie Dodger]

Royal-T Knows His Place :)

[Royal-T]

Royal-T Knows His Place :)

...On The Roads, On The Roads, On The Roads, On The Roads, Chris.

[8T2]

Royal T beg you do me an album cover.

[Arkan]

take that talk to rwd forum this is big man talk.

LOOOOL big man talk.

Use your degree for something good.
Stop the music.
Get a 9t5
Get back to wifey (arranged marriage, dont get ya ma to get her to do all the cooking and mek her wear sari just incase the white man see her)

http://a876.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/85/l_d3be3a38ae89f41dff0231a0bcc339ab.jpg

And stop giving the large man steroid talk to me.

I was actually complimentary to you.
But all i get is your vecicious(sp......with your english degree you should give me the correct spelling) remarks.

[00GRiME00]

8t2 get a 9t5 lol

thats funny

[8T2]

allow the racism talk about asian people they need love aswell you know.

big up any asians out there offended by comments towards your race.

[Arkan]

allow the racism talk about asian people they need love aswell you know.

big up any asians out there offended by comments towards your race.

show me racism?

[8T2]

sorry you talk to me as if your Neo and I'm Morpheous. I will show you nothing but the truth.

[Arkan]

sorry you talk to me as if your Neo and I'm Morpheous. I will show you nothing but the truth.

sorry never watch sci-f/fantasy movies. so your matrix subliminal is wasted on me.

But show me the truth. Im intrigued.

[Danny Trejo]

8t2 has sat in two threads all day. go for a walk or something

[8T2]

lol @ not having seen the Matrix. Yeah I been on this forum all day except for my kfc break. I can't leave because then people can slander my name while i'm away sort of what happend to 2pac and Tyson when they were incarcerated.

[Arkan]

lol @ not having seen the Matrix. Yeah I been on this forum all day except for my kfc break. I can't leave because then people can slander my name while i'm away sort of what happend to 2pac and Tyson when they were incarcerated.

And bruv i watch movies that arent full of CGI bullshit, so what if i aint seen the matrix, im sure it aint that good. Its just goons who think dragonball z is cool who like that movie........(waits for the hate from people for that)

so your gonna get your equivilent of suge knight on anyone who disses you?

You knew people where gonna slander you when you joined up, so you must be fairly dumb to actually care that people are taking the piss.

[8T2]

who said I care

I used to when my video was on t.v because then it was like what are people watching thinking!!

matrix is for everyone.

[Trapstar]

you are in the matrix

[8T2]

how do you know are you morpheous?

[[Mr_SnoWman]]

http://trylobyte.files.wordpress.com/2007/12/rambowned.jpg

[8T2]

cool pic I still haven't watched that movie.

[Arkan]

I used to when my video was on t.v because then it was like what are people watching thinking!!............



............"i wonder whats on QVC today"

[8T2]

yeah that's why it got number 4 in the charts mate......NOT (Borat)

[[Mr_SnoWman]]

cool pic I still haven't watched that movie.

lol the new rambo is swag

he looks like hes about to have a heart attack the whole time

the oldies r still and alway swill be CLASSIC

[TheBayveMan]

Jesus, any mod who bans 82 will get paid, pm to negotiate

bless

[Hij]

5er
its done

[8T2]

well he is 60 bare people told me the film was serious, I still haven't seen the Dark Knight either.

[Arkan]

yeah that's why it got number 4 in the charts mate......NOT (Borat)

number 4 in the channel U chart.

Look if you gave them £250 to get you that position then well thats your perogative. But dont come on here thinking your madonna and giving it the big bollocks saying your a big artist, cos you know deep down in your heart *go on search for it while looking in a mirror, a speck of tear rollin from eye* that your NOT a big artist. And NEVER will be.

Sorry that it has to be me to tell you this, but im sure EVERYONE on here will agree.


Peace anyway

[8T2]

God I hope he is wrong there.

[Arkan]

God I hope he is wrong there.

trust im not.

[TheBayveMan]

5er
its done

bless thats cheap, you didnt do me that favour the other day fam

[8T2]

yeah this is sounding a bit shady.

[Stephan El Shaarawy]

I honestly think I would rather cut of my arms than be 8t2

No lie

[x Cee x]

correct

and Dizzee Rascal wouldn't be around if Channel U didn't rinse I love you. Fact.

i didnt no channel u woz around them times tbh
u and ur facts need 2 stop...where do u get these facts frm?

[R-Style]

i didnt no channel u woz around them times tbh
u and ur facts need 2 stop...where do u get these facts frm?

his cup of tea...

same cup of tea in which the leaves spelt out "8T2 u will get a number 1 hit song"


destiny mate

[8T2]

yh one day hopefully.