Do You Rate Wretch32 as An MC??

[Quality Control]

:huh2:

[Carter]

Wretch 32 is any guy....tries to rap and sounds like a fucking retard....wretch yeah.....yeah......yeah.........spit a bar you cunt or fuck off back to the bronx

[Demos]

yes i rate him

[Young Spray]

Just Like Marmite

[Channel_E-D]

He should ghost write for some other artists. Not spit himself, sounds bait.

[G.K.]

I rate him.. I think he's got some big tunes.

[jp88]

Hip Hop Not Grime

[S.Man]

yes i rate him


ps. where are those bas from in ur sig demos?

[abass]

as an mc...definately yes

[whats_the_score?]

Yeah I think he's alrite.

[grafta]

Wretch is on another level... hes fucked

[HuddzDon]

bars are fukd jus does 2 much hip hop

[HypeKidd]

I rate him highly... As neither a rapper or an mc but an artist. He is what Griminal isn't. I'd rate Griminal as an mc highly but not as an artist. There is a big difference. Still looking at Wretch on an mc side, his content is sick, his flow is different because it is more of a hip hop one but he can pull it off to grime so it makes him unique.

[Diabolic Kid]

Yeah, I rate him.

[Quality Control]

...What do people rate about him..?

* his basic and often unnecessary punchlines? "cold like a leather chair"
* his half pace flow?
* his crippling lisp and breathless delivery?
* his beat selection, chipmunked vocals and acoustic beats?

...and can someone give me some examples of him saying something profoundly deep? 'cos i've never heard him say something that hasn't been said 100 times before by better rappers than him...

[Quality Control]

...What do people rate about him..?

* his basic and often unnecessary punchlines? "cold like a leather chair"
* his half pace flow?
* his crippling lisp and breathless delivery?
* his beat selection, chipmunked vocals and acoustic beats?

...and can someone give me some examples of him saying something profoundly deep? 'cos i've never heard him say something that hasn't been said 100 times before by better rappers than him...

...none of you wretch fans gonna answer??..

[S.Man]

Some of his punchlines are deep, cnt think any off the top of my head but i will post up later.

i think his flow n pace makes him unique. no-one else spits like that. it maybe not typical grime flow but he can flow over grime.

the thread is do we rate him as an 'artist'. and 'artistically' he is better than most ppl out there!

[bailey_187]

Some of his punchlines are deep, cnt think any off the top of my head but i will post up later.

i think his flow n pace makes him unique. no-one else spits like that. it maybe not typical grime flow but he can flow over grime.

the thread is do we rate him as an 'artist'. and 'artistically' he is better than most ppl out there!

no one spits like that cause it sounds shit

[Quality Control]

Some of his punchlines are deep, cnt think any off the top of my head but i will post up later.

i think his flow n pace makes him unique. no-one else spits like that. it maybe not typical grime flow but he can flow over grime.

the thread is do we rate him as an 'artist'. and 'artistically' he is better than most ppl out there!

...actually it says "as an MC", but nevermind..

...his flow is unique because it's WHACK! lol... no one else spits like that for a reason...

...and classing him as an artist is an insult to real "artistic" rappers like Jehst, Nas, Lupe Fiasco, Common etc...

...i really dont get how Wretch is seen as "deep" or "artistic"... is the grime scene really lacking that much depth and quality of content that WRETCH is seen as artistic and deep!?..

...what can i get from listening to Wretch that i can't get a much, much better version of by listening to Jehst, Chino XL, Nas, Dizzee Rascal, 2Pac etc!?..

[Quality Control]

no one spits like that cause it sounds shit

...great minds think alike.

and occasionally a lesser mind gets lucky :D...

[Demos]

ps. where are those bas from in ur sig demos?

jendors bars in the "more money more obstacles" video

[grafta]

...What do people rate about him..?

* his basic and often unnecessary punchlines? "cold like a leather chair"
* his half pace flow?
* his crippling lisp and breathless delivery?
* his beat selection, chipmunked vocals and acoustic beats?

...and can someone give me some examples of him saying something profoundly deep? 'cos i've never heard him say something that hasn't been said 100 times before by better rappers than him...


* his basic and often unnecessary punchlines? "cold like a leather chair"

I beg you name more swag punchlines from wretch init
off the top of my head yeah

"screw managers they just want a pice of the pie
you'll think they knew i move food by the way they wanna eat off my lines"
"i move colours on blocks like rubix cubes"
"got chromes, you aint nothin but tyres over there"
"when i slept with talent i divorced my nerves"

* his half pace flow?
Its his style init might not be your cup of tea but i reckon its shower, he aint even got just one flow, listen to both his mixtapes (verse 32 chapter wretch was shit)

* his crippling lisp and breathless delivery?

what wretch tunes you been listening to?

* his beat selection, chipmunked vocals and acoustic beats?

No idea what you mean by that but i bet you're wrong :D

[Demos]

* his basic and often unnecessary punchlines? "cold like a leather chair"

I beg you name more swag punchlines from wretch init
off the top of my head yeah

"screw managers they just want a pice of the pie
you'll think they knew i move food by the way they wanna eat off my lines"
"i move colours on blocks like rubix cubes"
"got chromes, you aint nothin but tyres over there"
"when i slept with talent i divorced my nerves"

* his half pace flow?
Its his style init might not be your cup of tea but i reckon its shower, he aint even got just one flow, listen to both his mixtapes (verse 32 chapter wretch was shit)

* his crippling lisp and breathless delivery?

what wretch tunes you been listening to?

* his beat selection, chipmunked vocals and acoustic beats?

No idea what you mean by that but i bet you're wrong :D

i agree with that.

what he meant by the beat selection is swag hip hop beats with sped up high pitched vocal samples.

which is true. the beats he spits on are shit

[Eric Cantona]

lol at Listening to Wretch.................................Neva Again

[Ohhhkay]

"Im so london you myt catch me cotchin in T wiv a cupple of biscuits"

"Your a fool if you aint down, da interlect wont intercept the bullet it will still leave ur brains"

"We tlkd an awful lot n she was always on time, iss lyk shes walkin on a clock"

You really dnt kno bout wretch

i use to think he was shit aswel
till i actually LISTEND to him

[Quality Control]

* his basic and often unnecessary punchlines? "cold like a leather chair"

I beg you name more swag punchlines from wretch init
off the top of my head yeah

"screw managers they just want a pice of the pie
you'll think they knew i move food by the way they wanna eat off my lines"
"i move colours on blocks like rubix cubes"
"got chromes, you aint nothin but tyres over there"
"when i slept with talent i divorced my nerves"



...the screw managers one is ok, i'll give you that. the others are corny and swag...

[Quality Control]

"Im so london you myt catch me cotchin in T wiv a cupple of biscuits"

"Your a fool if you aint down, da interlect wont intercept the bullet it will still leave ur brains"

"We tlkd an awful lot n she was always on time, iss lyk shes walkin on a clock"

You really dnt kno bout wretch

i use to think he was shit aswel
till i actually LISTEND to him

...very corny punchlines... i suggest you listen to someone like Chino XL or Joe Budden and learn what a good punchline is...

[Ohhhkay]

kk show sum bettr punchlines

den i'll shh

[Quality Control]

"I been poppin', held true to my fort,
I'm like Bin Laden, about to change the whole view of New York"

"forget a chain and to stack doe,
c'mon i don't need a Cuban Link like Fat Joe"

"i ain't gotta call my hounds,
cos ya guns are like the last Lennox Lewis fight; short on rounds"

"Fear and superstition could get iller than circumcision,
And things could get more ugly than Coolio when his hair's frizzin'"

"I live this y'all paint the pic, y'all like Magic,
'cos I'm startin' to believe y'all dudes ain't that sick"

shhhhh

[CardinalFang2]

Hes 100% shit

[Quality Control]

...and also every time he drops a punchline he acts all smug as if he's just proved he's a genius...punchlines arent exactly the pinnacle of modern spitting techniques, i'd be alot more impressed if he said something clever/deep without resorting to punchlines...

[phen]

he's got a lame deadout flow and isn't half as good lyrically as some of you are trying to claim.

[Wiz]

I like his lyrics.

[Jay05]

No hype but that managers one has been done by hip hop artists before.

He bites a lot of his ideas from American rappers.

Also it's no use being deep but not rhyming a bar properly. Any1 can write supposedly deep lyrics, its when they rhyme that u have real talent.


His flow isnt fast enough for grime.
His lyrics aint deep enough for Hip hop.

Although some of his track r big. The first one on teachers training day was one a good tune.

[Quality Control]

...the only people who think Wretch is good are people who've never listened to good hip-hop...

['nuum general]

his flow is decent, its his voice which people are probably thinking of when they go on how lame he is.

I though TTD was a decent cd because unlike scorchers efforts the hip hop beats were not bad. He has some decent concepts (eg punctuation) and had some more personnal tracks on there as well, eg my life.

He's shown on fuck radio 2 & 4 that he can spit over grime.

I'm not saying he's a genius or anything but some people here going on like he's shit like 50 cent or summat

[Quality Control]

his flow is decent, its his voice which people are probably thinking of when they go on how lame he is.

I though TTD was a decent cd because unlike scorchers efforts the hip hop beats were not bad. He has some decent concepts (eg punctuation) and had some more personnal tracks on there as well, eg my life.

He's shown on fuck radio 2 & 4 that he can spit over grime.

I'm not saying he's a genius or anything but some people here going on like he's shit like 50 cent or summat

...at least 50 Cent has two decent albums under his belt (Power Of The Dollar & Get Rich Or Die Tryin'), what does Wretch have? he ruined a couple songs and sets and made some mixtapes that most people will agree were average or below...

[Eric Cantona]

Candy Shop >>>> Wretch 32

['nuum general]

...at least 50 Cent has two decent albums under his belt (Power Of The Dollar & Get Rich Or Die Tryin'), what does Wretch have? he ruined a couple songs and sets and made some mixtapes that most people will agree were average or below...

power of the dollar was never released & the amount of money spent on get rich or die trying it had to be decent. Teacher training day was one of the better releases of 2007.

[Quality Control]

power of the dollar was never released & the amount of money spent on get rich or die trying it had to be decent. Teacher training day was one of the better releases of 2007.

...trust me im one of the biggest 50 haters you'll ever see, but that slack jawed retard >>>>>>>>>>>>> Wretch-32 by a mile and that aint even arguable

['nuum general]

...trust me im one of the biggest 50 haters you'll ever see, but that slack jawed retard >>>>>>>>>>>>> Wretch-32 by a mile and that aint even arguable

we'll agree to disagree then

[Quality Control]

we'll agree to disagree then

...i don't agree to those terms... :angry:

[emirg]

what was the point of putting a poll, if you're just gonna gun everyone that says they rate him? I dont really like the guy although I thought that punctuation tune was alright, but I wouldnt bother starting a thread just to point out the many reasons why I(you) think hes shit, just leave him to it

to quote wretch himself 'they hate to love but love to hate', stop hating

[Tony Starks]

...and also every time he drops a punchline he acts all smug as if he's just proved he's a genius...punchlines arent exactly the pinnacle of modern spitting techniques, i'd be alot more impressed if he said something clever/deep without resorting to punchlines...eir realy intelligent if you listen to the bars properly.
true talk...guys like trim and goodz show th
i do think wretch is a good rapper but the at the moment hes not making good music.

[Quality Control]

what was the point of putting a poll, if you're just gonna gun everyone that says they rate him? I dont really like the guy although I thought that punctuation tune was alright, but I wouldnt bother starting a thread just to point out the many reasons why I(you) think hes shit, just leave him to it

to quote wretch himself 'they hate to love but love to hate', stop hating

shut the fuck up

[Flawz]

i rate him :)

[R-Style]

i can handle wretch if its not more then 3 tracks in a row

cud neva b able 2 listen 2 his mixtape in 1 go

[grafta]

...the only people who think Wretch is good are people who've never listened to good hip-hop...

Bruv you cant tell me nothin about listenin to good hiphop TRUST ME

and i know a good/decent punnchline when i hear one

[4737]

I rate wretch as a writer. His voice used to grate on me, but I've got used to it. I'm not a massive fan, but I can appreciate that he's an above-average MC with average delivery.

t.

[MedellinManDem]

Wretch is big. Most of his critics are life failures anyway.

[Jay05]

I rate wretch as a writer. His voice used to grate on me, but I've got used to it. I'm not a massive fan, but I can appreciate that he's an above-average MC with average delivery.

t.

this is about right. I dont like the way he re uses hip hop bars though

[warrior]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

only victoryz tottenham was a good tune but onl cossa da beat SIMPLE

[Retrofreak]

I rate wretch as a writer. His voice used to grate on me, but I've got used to it. I'm not a massive fan, but I can appreciate that he's an above-average MC with average delivery.

t.

^^^^Agreed

[S.Man]

...the only people who think Wretch is good are people who've never listened to good hip-hop...

this is England tho....not the US!

We doin our own scene so why, to be 'good' do we have to implore US rapping methods into the grime scene?

[Retrofreak]

this is England tho....not the US!

We doin our own scene so why, to be 'good' do we have to implore US rapping methods into the grime scene?

I hear you thinking but..

If someone can spit they can spit regardless of what genre their doing.

Top MC's like Goodz,Ghetts and Devlin can hold it up on an international level if they had to.

Most MC's that can only do Grime will struggle sounding good outside of their comfort zone,because there not real MC's, case in point BBK in NY.

We don't have to copy the americans at all, all I'm saying is that we should stop using the "We make UK music" excuse to continually make piss poor products.

Bounty Killer and Sizzla are all Jamaican artists ,but I guarantee when they go to NY they spray on whatever beats are about, because there actually really good.

[MouthOfTheSouth]

Learn From My Mixtape is still big. Didnt rate Teacher's Training Day at all tho... Think he started believing his own hype too much.

[S.Man]

I agree with u there Retrofreak.

But i think Wretch has got that ability to sound good over most genres. The most versitile is Doogz without a doubt. But even tho he may not be the best in the scene or conform to a typical grime flow, bars etc doesnt make him shit!

When i first heard wretch i wernt a fan cor i thought 'hes too slow' + 'his voice drones' but after listening to his mixtapes i appreciated his lyrics more. Coz he suits those tunes. If u wer to stick him on a set with ghetts etc he would get out-shon coz he doesnt suit that way of spittin. But what areas he lacks he makes up in other areas.

I think wretch is one of those MCs u either like or dont. Its jus down to opinion.

Plus i do feel he hasnt raised the levels since Learn from my Mxtape. But i cannot deny he still has some witty lines.

[Pristine Condition]

"I been poppin', held true to my fort,
I'm like Bin Laden, about to change the whole view of New York"

"i ain't gotta call my hounds,
cos ya guns are like the last Lennox Lewis fight; short on rounds"





BIG BIG BIG

bk 2 topic

wretch is alyrt, i cant listen 2 him all the time, like other headz

but his bars on top 3 selected rmx was fire.... no1 can deny dat!!

[ozman22]

hes swag, totally over rated, he acts hip hop and thinks his lyrics are poeteic, they are avarage.

[Quality Control]

this is England tho....not the US!

We doin our own scene so why, to be 'good' do we have to implore US rapping methods into the grime scene?

...because he's spitting over wannabe US hip-hop beats in a wannabe US hip-hop style

...i wouldnt compare Devlin to Jay-Z or something cos there's a clear difference in genres, but if Wretch wants to do hip-hop then he's gonna be compared against other, good hip-hop rappers... and he's very shit in comparison...

[Quality Control]

Wretch is big. Most of his critics are life failures anyway.

...most people who rate him highly have a crippling mental disability and incapability of judging whether or not an MC is good...

[S.Man]

...because he's spitting over wannabe US hip-hop beats in a wannabe US hip-hop style

...i wouldnt compare Devlin to Jay-Z or something cos there's a clear difference in genres, but if Wretch wants to do hip-hop then he's gonna be compared against other, good hip-hop rappers... and he's very shit in comparison...

ite fair enough he aint on the level of some US rappers. But what is so wrong with goin in-between genres?

a bit like Asher D...everyone slates him coz he kinda does the same thing as wretch.

its not a case of being able to pigeon hole in a genre coz that shouldnt be the case in music.

[Eric Cantona]

Dont get me started on Asher D lol

Makes about 5 swag Hip Hop albums which no one bought an decides he needs some money, so he comes to grime for money

[Young Spray]

Dont get me started on Asher D lol

Makes about 5 swag Hip Hop albums which no one bought an decides he needs some money, so he comes to grime for money

You're slightly deluded son.

If Asher D sold the watch 50 brought him he would have more money than 5 grime mixatpe releases could ever make him.

Dont think Asher's main purpose for his mixtape is the money.

You can tell he craves the respect as an MC just as equally as his acting credentials.

[Quality Control]

...Asher D's a wasteman but let's not stray from the point...

...WRETCH IS WASTE

...i really dont mind UK hip-hop, it's sick when done properly, but Wretch aint levels..

...no one in here has convinced me he's worth giving another chance or even given me a good reason to why they think he's some kind of lyrical genius... all i've seen are swag, basic punchlines being called clever (and punchline rap isnt very good even when done properly!)..

[4737]

...most people who rate him highly have a crippling mental disability and incapability of judging whether or not an MC is good...

Don't start a thread asking for opinions then start gunning when people don't agree with you, fs. The majority so-far have rated him.

t.

[Quality Control]

Don't start a thread asking for opinions then start gunning when people don't agree with you, fs. The majority so-far have rated him.

t.

...1) that was a retaliation..
...2) the whole purpose of this thread was for me to gun down wretch fans..

..i was originally gonna wait until there were a few "yes" votes then change to title to something along the lines of "would you suck on wretch's testicles" but then i discovered i cant edit titles :angry: so i stuck with it..

...from what i can see Wretch has nothing about him that should allow him to be anything more than a myspace rapper with around 500 views, yet some people deify him as a lyrical messiah.. i wanna know why...

[4737]

It's a matter of taste. Some people like him, some don't. That's a fact you're going to have to deal with.

t.

[Quality Control]

...there is such thing as poor taste though, how else do you explain Soulja Boi selling more albums than Scarface, Ghostface Killah, Wu-Tang Clan etc...?

[4737]

Poor analogy. Fail.

t.

[Quality Control]

Poor analogy. Fail.

t.

you :angry:, doogie?

[4737]

nah "darg", i just think you're being a little whiny bitch. Your intention isn't discussion, but derision. Therefore, this thread is pointless. You might as well have posted a thread saying "waaah waaah i dont like wretch, anyone who does is wrong, im an authority, my opinion counts, waaah waah". It would have disappeared to the last page where it belongs.

t.

[emirg]

the silly thing is I dont think anyone in here labelled him a lyrical genius, you just decided we all thought that when most of us said hes alright, nothing special

[Quality Control]

nah "darg", i just think you're being a little whiny bitch. Your intention isn't discussion, but derision. Therefore, this thread is pointless. You might as well have posted a thread saying "waaah waaah i dont like wretch, anyone who does is wrong, im an authority, my opinion counts, waaah waah". It would have disappeared to the last page where it belongs.

t.

...calm down, son..

...i dont like wretch, anyone who does is wrong, im an authority, my opinion is the be all and end all...


the silly thing is I dont think anyone in here labelled him a lyrical genius, you just decided we all thought that when most of us said hes alright, nothing special

...who iz u!? state ya name b..


e.

[4737]

the silly thing is I dont think anyone in here labelled him a lyrical genius, you just decided we all thought that when most of us said hes alright, nothing special

exactly.

t.

[Quality Control]

...i made this thread so i can say what i gots ta say about WretchYeah and what you gon' do doogie!?!?..


e.

[4737]

nothing. you're making yourself look like a prick nicely.

t.

[emirg]

lol Ef El basically sending for himself right now, keep it up doogie we're all really impressed!

[Quality Control]

...then take a few minutes to calm down and regain composure, and get on with your day, mr. "buckfaster":laugh:...

e.

[Quality Control]

lol Ef El basically sending for himself right now, keep it up doogie we're all really impressed!

...get off my dick, b

e.

[Quality Control]

lol Ef El basically sending for himself right now, keep it up doogie we're all really impressed!

...does running around after taz buckteeth and co-signing everything he's got to say make you feel accepted!!?..

e.

[4737]

...then take a few minutes to calm down and regain composure, and get on with your day, mr. "buckfaster":laugh:...

e.

the only one acting up here is you, mr "ef el". I assume that's phonetic abbreviation for "fucking loser"?

t.

[Quality Control]

the only one acting up here is you, mr "ef el". I assume that stands for fucking loser?

t.

...your assumptions are incorrect...

e.

[emirg]

had Taz even posted in this thread when I called you out on hating? I have never directly addressed Taz on any forum, I dont do MSN, he is any other poster to me, if anyones bredding Taz its you, E.

[4737]

...your assumptions are incorrect...

e.

prove me wrong and stop acting like a superannuated infant then.

t.

[Quality Control]

prove me wrong then and stop acting like a superannuated infant then.

t.

...i'm afraid, mr. buckfaster, that i cannot, nay, shall not acquiesce to your proposal as i am a free spirit, i bask in the nirvana of bohemia... you seem to have failed to realise that this thread's purpose was merely dilettante, and seem to be quite aggravated...

e.

[Quality Control]

had Taz even posted in this thread when I called you out on hating? I have never directly addressed Taz on any forum, I dont do MSN, he is any other poster to me, if anyones bredding Taz its you, E.

...the imprecise logic displayed in this comment invalidates your whole argument and leads me to deem you unworthy of response, good day to you, sir...

e.

[4737]

...i'm afraid, mr. buckfaster, that i cannot, nay, shall not acquiesce to your proposal as i am a free spirit, i bask in the nirvana of bohemia... you seem to have failed to realise that this thread's purpose was merely dilettante, and seem to be quite aggravated...

e.

so you essentially agree that you're acting like an overgrown child? point taken.

t.

[Quality Control]

so you essentially agree that you're acting like an overgrown child? point taken.

t.

...that is a paramount concomitant in the means to actualise my final, overall goal...

e.

[4737]

If your final goal is being universally recognised as a mug, job done!

t.

[Quality Control]

If your final goal is being universally recognised as a mug, job done!

t.

...alas, i have been cornered into revealing my actual final goal, in light of your inability to ascertain it independently... it is in fact, merely to perturb Wretch fans, a trap in to which you evidently have fallen.. and in doing such, helped me to realise my goal...

e.

[ALM]

:itsalot:

[Quality Control]

If your final goal is being universally recognised as a mug, job done!

t.

...and would it be awfully out of line if i was to use this occasion to let it be known that your demeanor of arrogance, pomposity and false sense of grandeur is quite irritating, kind sir...

e.

[4737]

If you scroll up a bit, you'll see i'm not a wretch fan. You will, however see that I think you're a cunt.

t.

[Quality Control]

If you scroll up a bit, you'll see i'm not a wretch fan. You will, however see that I think you're a cunt.

t.

...i will not retaliate in type, as i am indeed the bigger and better man and it is beneath me to resort to such obscenity...

e.

[MedellinManDem]

What a cunt this ef el is...

Admins, your time...

[Quality Control]

What a cunt this ef el is...

Admins, your time...

...keep my name off your lips and your keyboard, you insignificant fleck of shit...

e.

[MedellinManDem]

Yawn

[Quality Control]

Yawn

...take your cape off, cpt save-a-hoe...

e.

[Quality Control]

Yawn

...and also did you just type "Yawn", as if it were a spoken word that people say when they're bored!? you really must be a retard...

e.

[Quality Control]

.. . ..one hundred.. . ..

e.

[S.Man]

LOOOOOOOOOOL

Some of these comebacks truly entertaining!

'Fleck of Shit' has to be rated as the highest tho! LOL

[Quality Control]

"A tech nine is my utensil, fillin' niggas with so much lead they can use they dick for pencil!"

"i'll bury u bastards,
Fill u wit so much lead it'll take Hercules to carry ya casket"

"So how can he hold me over some balcony
without throwin' his lower back out as soon as he goes to lift me?
Please don't you'll probably fall wit me
and our asses will both be history
but then again you'll finally get your wish
coz you'll be all over the street like 50 Cent"

...more examples of sick punchlines...

['nuum general]

Big L is the best MC ever when it comes to punchlines

[Quality Control]

Big L is the best MC ever when it comes to punchlines

:yes:

[Kaychi]

Wrecth 32 CAN be good lyrically, but sumtimes he doesnt cut it 4 me!

Hes marmite 2 me...no dem 1s!

[Quality Control]

Wrecth 32 CAN be good lyrically, but sumtimes he doesnt cut it 4 me!

Hes marmite 2 me...no dem 1s!

...you'd like to spread him on toast and eat him???..

[Fewie]

Learn From My Mixtape is still big. Didnt rate Teacher's Training Day tho...
.
personally 1 of da best mixtapes there has been so far

[Kaychi]

...you'd like to spread him on toast and eat him???..

hol tyt you for your mature reply.

[Quality Control]

hol tyt you for your mature reply.

:crown:

[Quality Control]

...why did this thread just bump it's self??..

...i didnt post 1 minute ago...

[Quality Control]

...classics, classics, i just make CLASSICS...

[Lemon]

...why did this thread just bump it's self??..

...i didnt post 1 minute ago...

Poll Threads bump themselves to the top when someone votes. So it may say you posted 1 minute ago, but it'll just mean that someone voted 1 minute ago.

[TerrorS]

Big L is the best MC ever when it comes to punchlines


Dont forget Big Pun

[Standard]

He's a bit hit and miss.
Got some good lines but yeah some of his Metaphors and similies are shit and pointless

[Nine Bar]

him n scorcher like 2 b in der world 2 much

when dey cum out of it there both one of d best imo

[Stephan El Shaarawy]

he says ..huh.. yeh... too much

[dagrimeking]

iRate him.. Punctuation is jus 2 much

[Grimes]

wretch is better than alot of emcees

[MedellinManDem]

Wretch was wretchy way before wretchraspective...

He's sick.

[grafta]

Big L is the best MC ever when it comes to punchlines

Copywrites punchlines > Big L's

will get hated for that

[Grimes]

i swear this is a grime topic not the one trick pony thread

[grafta]

i swear this is a grime topic not the one trick pony thread

Shattap

[Quality Control]

..it's a wretch32 thread, the no-trick donkey..

[Llelo]

...actually it says "as an MC", but nevermind..

...his flow is unique because it's WHACK! lol... no one else spits like that for a reason...

...and classing him as an artist is an insult to real "artistic" rappers like Jehst, Nas, Lupe Fiasco, Common etc...

...i really dont get how Wretch is seen as "deep" or "artistic"... is the grime scene really lacking that much depth and quality of content that WRETCH is seen as artistic and deep!?..

...what can i get from listening to Wretch that i can't get a much, much better version of by listening to Jehst, Chino XL, Nas, Dizzee Rascal, 2Pac etc!?..

It's a bit silly to compare him to Nas, you could take most Mcs in the world and say you can get a better version of them by listening to Nas.

Why would I listen to Ghetto when I could hear Bone Thugs n Harmony?
Why would I listen to Napper when I could get an old man on the bus to spit bars?

Get me?

And for the record, Wretch's bars >>>>>> almost every other person in the grime scene but his delivery makes him swag and difficult to listen to for more than 20 seconds. He's kinda the opposite of Skepta.

[Grimes]

Why would I listen to Napper when I could get an old man on the bus to spit bars?


LMAO

[DJ Mad Vybez]

I like wretch he is one of them guys u like or u dont he is grime aint hip hop he has his own style which sets him apart

[abass]

(off topic) who reckons P Money uses Big Puns flow... An Kano used to use Biggie an Jay-Z's...

(on topic) alot of wretch's bars are similar to those of certain american rappers bars but nevertheless he's still a good MC

[Quality Control]

(off topic) who reckons P Money uses Big Puns flow... An Kano used to use Biggie an Jay-Z's...

(on topic) alot of wretch's bars are similar to those of certain american rappers bars but nevertheless he's still a good MC

..don't know about the P-Money - Big Pun thing.. but the Kano - Jay-Z thing is obvious.. Kano even refers to Jay-Z in shitloads of tracks and does his own version of PSA.. definitely influenced alot, wouldnt go so far as to say he's bitten his flow though.. (..and Jay-Z's flow is heavily influenced by Biggie..)

[abass]

/\ agree with that comment but dont you see the similarities wid big pun an p moneys flow? (or do u not really listen 2 pun)

I personally think P money was influenced by pun's flow.

(i swear big h's flow is the most original or is dat influenced by sum1 i dont know about?)

(i swear i need 2 make a topic on flows lol)

[Quality Control]

/\ agree with that comment but dont you see the similarities wid big pun an p moneys flow? (or do u not really listen 2 pun)

..yeah i'm a big fan of Big Pun.. just don't see it though..

..fast flows and multis.. not really very unusual nowadays, particularly in grime.. P-Money's flow seems more grime-influenced..

[abass]

/\ yh he said he used 2 spit fast on dnb so naturally he used da same flow on grime but i still think he was influenced by pun (u know how p moneys voice slightly changes when he spits, similar 2 pun but pun doesnt really change his voice much, hard 4 me 2 explain but hopefully u get wot im mean lol)

an i dont think he's influenced by puns multi's as much as his flow. (imagine a big pun an devlin tune it would be alot, but would haf 2 be a sample or a blend lol)

['nuum general]

i think P Money has more ephasis on his big bar (eg What did he say) than pun.

I think what you mean is where pun would end one line and start the next one almost imediately.
eg on firewater:
"I'm all about business and enterprisin'
Advisin' financial advisors
on franchisin' the wider than horizons"

P money does that aswell.

[Joe]

bigg mc

[abass]

i think P Money has more ephasis on his big bar (eg What did he say) than pun.

I think what you mean is where pun would end one line and start the next one almost imediately.
eg on firewater:
"I'm all about business and enterprisin'
Advisin' financial advisors
on franchisin' the wider than horizons"

P money does that aswell.

ure kinda right still.

[Quality Control]

we need more "No" votes, people!!

[4737]

You're a walking "no" vote.

t.

[Indyvidual]

we need more "No" votes, people!!

the title states do you rate wretch 32 as an emcee... your opinion... i aint going no further

[Tickbites]

His lyrics are good from what i heard of him but I dont like listening to his music because he can't MC. Should be a poet or a ghostwriter like someone said.

[Ransom]

Allow bumping your own topics TWICE

[Xtra P]

Wretch is sick, hes a talented writer but his voice is jarin, he should definetly be a ghost writer.. lightnin or Sniper E should holla

[Prometheus.]

Wretch has some lyrics that are sick.

[SCP]

i rate him
hip-hop flow over grime beats is a no-no tho - its annoying like a 16 year old talking like a baby

[Crawla III.]

Wretch 32 is any guy....tries to rap and sounds like a fucking retard....wretch yeah....yeah......yeah.........spit a bar you cunt or fuck off back to the bronx
:agree:

[JoelBauta]

love the voice, love the flow... if only he'd make more grimey tunes.

[Jae Dave]

as a mc, yeah!

[RD-Nottz]

Wretch is Sick,,, Lyrical Contenet Is Fucked, I rate Him As W.e he is Lol, Sounds More Ukhh To me Dough

[Llelo]

Basically.

He needs to work on his delivery.

/Thread.

[Ohhhkay]

...and also every time he drops a punchline he acts all smug as if he's just proved he's a genius...punchlines arent exactly the pinnacle of modern spitting techniques, i'd be alot more impressed if he said something clever/deep without resorting to punchlines...

Have u listen to the west wooddd

now tell me about wretch!!!

[compact]

Yeah He Get Ratingz From Me!!!

[danielnw2]

I rate his presence on mic

[MedellinManDem]

Wretch is too sick for you guys.

[Quality Control]

haha this thread will never die. i created a monster

[EllaDecember]

i don't know...because he can be really good sometimes like punctuation.. and then like "used to be", he kind of ruins the song, if he was consistent i would rate him

[Grimes]

he was the best on used to be.

[danielnw2]

Wretch is a sick mc.

Most of the time i dont really feel the hip hop flow over grime but he is a good mc and has swagger on mic

[General Savimbi]

All that Wretch yeah Wretch yeah talk pisses me off to no degree.

Doesn't really say anything either, just bare words for the sakes of it.

Any UK Hip Hop pretender anyone that can't see through it is lost.

[2snide]

i rate him

[MedellinManDem]

Once again, Wretch is sick...

Just listening to his 6 minutes of death now in fact...

[OldSkoolGrimeBanga]

Firstly Like to say Bless to this forum... Been on some next forums but this one looks to be the best.

Now to the point....
What is all this ish about ghost writing? Eff dat straight away. People shouldnt even think about ghost writers in grime... Its a new form of artistic expression.... Wretch is bad.. and if people listened to tunes and words properly they'd know that... And for realism check his bars spat on acoustic guitar on youtube.. now thats real

[Quality Control]

..maybe i've listened to too many actual good lyricists and my standards are too high

[Jimmy Darmody]

Just Like Marmite

yeahh tbh he is hiphop

[stats]

wretch is fucked ppl who dnt like him dnt kno good music

[Leng Man Louie]

don't like his american flow but his contents alright

overall i'm not a fan though

[Quality Control]

wretch is fucked ppl who dnt like him dnt kno good music

you need to expand your music tastes outside London or Britain

[nii-o]

lol how can Wretch not be rated? wow

[adidasgrandad]

lol how can Wretch not be rated? wow

you said the same thing about lauren mason still

[nii-o]

you said the same thing about lauren mason still

but seriously your point is?

everyone has opinions and these are mine. we all differ

[quality]

everyone has opinions and these are mine. we all differ

You answered your own quesiton.

[Retrofreak]

Wretch is the most musical MC out of the Movement imo.

[nii-o]

You answered your own quesiton.

cos I didn't lol

[Carter]

Wretch 32 is a black kid, that watched too much Smack DVD and because Scorcher had been given the blessing of Wiley which in turn gets you Logan Sama radio play, he was able to get radio play and features because he was scorchers boy ........ take away those factors and he would still be freestyling with his doogies over the new Heatmakers instrumental downloaded from Rapgodfathers........FACT

[nii-o]

Wretch 32 is a black kid, that watched too much Smack DVD and because Scorcher had been given the blessing of Wiley which in turn gets you Logan Sama radio play, he was able to get radio play and features because he was scorchers boy ........ take away those factors and he would still be freestyling with his doogies over the new Heatmakers instrumental downloaded from Rapgodfathers........FACT

joker

[Alfie]

joker
It's the truth tbh

[nii-o]

It's the truth tbh

but I don't think that bring - in explanation holds weight

on the other hand many mc's are brought in by someone so...what does that mean?

[Oh My Diddy]

Wretch 32 makes music for guys from the road, doesnt surprise me that people on here don't rate him.

[Mike]

IMO, Hi's to american'ish.

[quality]

cos I didn't lol

You asked how Wretch isn't rated. Then you said everyone has different opinions. You answered your own question.

[Carter]

Wretch 32 makes music for guys from the road, doesnt surprise me that people on here don't rate him.

He can make music for road, doesn't mean they're listening though, people on road don't listen to Wretch 32 or Scorcher

[quality]

He can make music for road, doesn't mean they're listening though, people on road don't listen to Wretch 32 or Scorcher

People in pen do though. The Movement are straight gangsta, they don't need the forums.

[Carter]

People in pen do though. The Movement are straight gangsta, they don't need the forums.

Yeah people in pen are buying their UK Record Shop exclusives on their lap tops lol

They killed themselves when they said that

[Eric Cantona]

Wretch 32 makes music for guys from the road, doesnt surprise me that people on here don't rate him.

6XTlhkexAf8

'Forgot about violence, ID RATHER BE COOL'

[quality]

Yeah people in pen are buying their UK Record Shop exclusives on their lap tops lol

They killed themselves when they said that

Scorcher probably made some serious contacts when he did that long stretch.

I like Scorcher and Wretch (to a lesser extent) but they need to stop begging the road thing.

[Oh My Diddy]

He can make music for road, doesn't mean they're listening though, people on road don't listen to Wretch 32 or Scorcher

Gas.

The amount of road guys ive seen pumping out punctuation from blacked out polo's speaks for itself.

[RIP Jakey]

I think Wretch is alright, but people who say I make music for the road or people who say you don't like it cos your soft need to shut up cos thats air. Wretch and Scorcher would love the indie kids and hipsters tolisten to their music as much as BBK do because they'll buy it.

*waits for the you're too soft to like wretch (lol in advance)*

[adidasgrandad]

I think Wretch is alright, but people who say I make music for the road or people who say you don't like it cos your soft need to shut up cos thats air. Wretch and Scorcher would love the indie kids and hipsters tolisten to their music as much as BBK do because they'll buy it.

*waits for the you're too soft to like wretch (lol in advance)*

im going to lol along with you. Also does my head in when people say that.

[Quality Control]

road man don't decide what's good and what's not in music

if certain man saw road guys bumping britney spears they would start listening to britney spears aswell..... shit baffles me

[RIP Jakey]

If that's the case, then why hasn't Wretch watered and "whitened" his music down?

He went Hip Hop theres nothing whiter than listening to Hip Hop.

[icecream]

he makes good hiphop, learn from my mixtape is a classic. But why is this on GRIME forum? hes never really been grime.

[critic of musical arts]

man i know there are bare "hipsters" on this forum but u must jam or at least know a couple of road guys. alot of ppl on road are feeling the movement mcs. wretch is a good mc aswell, he just needs to stop doing that "Huh" and little smurking noise in between his bars.

also man is more suited for hiphop, he just aint hype enough for grime imo

[stats]

you need to expand your music tastes outside London or Britain

Yh i have have expanded my musical tastes outta Britain still but then there isn't really alot of artist's out side Britain who talk about stuff that's relivant to my life and speak about topics i can relate to in my daily life

Question;

Who out of Britain do u listen to?

[professorgreen]

wretch is fucked. he doesn't only appeal to road.

and i wouldn't say them man are begging road.

[Joe]

cant wait for wrectrospective

[The Egghead]

Wretch is alrite at times, but I can't listen to too much of him, same I feel with all of the movement really except scorcher.

[Tuna_Chunks]

wretch is fucked. i used to hate him but nah hes big

n begging road? wretch is certified

[Retrofreak]

6XTlhkexAf8

'Forgot about violence, ID RATHER BE COOL'

^^^^
This tune is better than most Grime tracks at the moment.

[SHANKYOURSELF]

Only really rated him on FRVol1.

[quality]

The thing that annoys me most about Wretch is he'll use some basic metaphor or similie and then follow it up with "You get that?".

Yes, well done, you said "make cats q for a line". I get it.

[Kardo]

He's got lyrical talent - better than most to Wretchclart!

[00GRiME00]

he can spit
defeintly aint swag

he's original

[Jay05]

lol at ppl talkin about road guys

same guys i hear playing duppy and fix up

I dont rate wretch much, but he does some decent stuff when he isnt saying "yeah"

[love_wreckz]

he ent grimeee so i dont rate him