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[superdaddy]

the way that punch dropped was legendary lol

[Mr. Jefferies]

Wow.

[07984]

What was khan trying to do at teh start of the round?

[superdaddy]

What was khan trying to do at teh start of the round?

Touch gloves enit

[D.MAN]

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.

[07984]

Why then tho?

[D.MAN]

khan>>

[I LOVE GRIME]

ok so its gonna be a points ting who u man think i say its khan but dunno

[Shakeem]

ourgh ourghhh

[superdaddy]

Why then tho?

Probablly to try to give himself an extra 4-7 secs extra, I dunno.

[07984]

ok so its gonna be a points ting who u man think i say its khan but dunno

commentators seem to think so

[D.MAN]

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khan>>>prince

[07984]

Amazing fight. Both took unbelievable punches

[Unknown Poster]

how in the fuck did he stay up after that?

[I LOVE GRIME]

da guy saw the devil he went crazy it was like he was possessed shit was fucking beautiful

[Clive Eboue]

D.Man you're gassed lol Naseem is a legend!

My stream kept fucking up but I reckon Khan will squeeze it, fucking quality fight though.

[Millano]

khan on points. Ref could have stopped it tho imo.

[I LOVE GRIME]

naseem ultimate badman khan aint and wont be a legend like him never

[D.MAN]

prince would of got kocked out

da conditioning was a next ting

[Xtra P]

da guy saw the devil he went crazy it was like he was possessed shit was fucking beautiful

:laugh:

[Clive Eboue]

khan on points. Ref could have stopped it tho imo.

Fuck off lol the ref wasn't English. No way should that have been stopped.


Prince would have danced around the ring last five rounds and still won the fight.

[I LOVE GRIME]

im out morleys time>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

[D.MAN]

sparrin wit manny>>

[superdaddy]

Ufcccccccccccccc

[I LOVE GRIME]

Fuck off lol the ref wasn't English. No way should that have been stopped.


Prince would have danced around the ring last five rounds and still won the fight.

thats what im saying and done some shuffles n split that cunts wig khan is gassed that was fixed no1 can say it aint a 1st round knock out surely cant hold dat much weight khan got paxed like barry evans did by janine khans jaw got touched in a way not even a sick paedophile would touch a child the cunt got mauled and still won joke ting

[D.MAN]

Ref could have stopped it tho imo.

wasteman !

[zen]

lol ref didn't stop it coz amir was still moving about.

rate him for withstanding that. I know he was tired but should of had his gloves up a bit more in that fight.

[D.MAN]

jheeze what a fight im gasssed!


say nutten

[Clive Eboue]

thats what im saying and done some shuffles n split that cunts wig khan is gassed that was fixed no1 can say it aint a 1st round knock out surely cant hold dat much weight khan got paxed like barry evans did by janine khans jaw got touched in a way not even a sick paedophile would touch a child the cunt got mauled and still won joke ting

:laugh:


jheeze what a fight im gasssed!


say nutten

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trust it's good to see given that most high profile fights don't live up to expectation nowadays.

[Millano]

lol other Refs would have stopped TKO. Postive is that now he can take punches and was conditioned very well for this fight.

[D.MAN]

nuff respect 4 him now.

[Clive Eboue]

lol other Refs would have stopped TKO. Postive is that now he can take punches and was conditioned very well for this fight.

Maybe an English ref would but that's because they are all faggots, there was no reason at all for the fight to be stopped c'mon son

[I LOVE GRIME]

lol other Refs would have stopped TKO. Postive is that now he can take punches and was conditioned very well for this fight.

positives are u bonkers positives what fucking positives if this was football khan would be some stoke or some shit man fuck he started good then fell off worse than fucking kano did he got paxed in man khan is not good i should go pro and box him up myself the man is a joke i said it when he 1st got his jaw boxed but 2nite showed me i was correct the man is not good he got abused he was a victim 2nite a sad sorry victim

cant find my fucking card either and im fucking hungry fucking fuming

[D.MAN]

david haye wont fight klit like that no way

[Mr. Jefferies]

Khan won then?

[D.MAN]

positives are u bonkers positives what fucking positives if this was football khan would be some stoke or some shit man fuck he started good then fell off worse than fucking kano did he got paxed in man khan is not good i should go pro and box him up myself the man is a joke i said it when he 1st got his jaw boxed but 2nite showed me i was correct the man is not good he got abused he was a victim 2nite a sad sorry victim

cant find my fucking card either and im fucking hungry fucking fuming


crack head!!! u clearly dont understand boxing.that was a bumbaclart war

[I LOVE GRIME]

Khan won then?

some how yh :stunned: he got paxed in though didnt deserve it

[zen]

he was doing sick until he got hit in the 10th. Some of you man don't know about boxing so stop chatting ya bullshit. Maidana landed bombs on Khan and couldnt drop him.

[I LOVE GRIME]

crack head!!! u clearly dont understand boxing.that was a war

a war he fucking lost the man couldnt even walk 2 his stool he was dazed he was thinking about his next biriyani he saw allah when he looked up son not the big screen shit man that cunt got paxed in surely u saw it and can admit he will never be great and if they have a rematch he will get paxed again, and crackhead i will ignore that jibe


he was doing sick until he got hit in the 10th. Some of you man don't know about boxing so stop chatting ya bullshit. Maidana landed bombs on Khan and couldnt drop him.

he got paxed in, in more than 1 round, round 10 was peak though he paxed him in round after round went on a roll it was a savage beating some lil mo xmas day face in the bisto shit got served up

[Trapstar]

I missed it :dead:

[Mr. Jefferies]

Par.

[D.MAN]

he took da shots and used his speed conditioning and found a way to win , man will improve and come back stronger hes still young.bare next boxers would av gt knocked out by them punches he took warrior.

[zen]

he got paxed in, in more than 1 round, round 10 was peak though he paxed him in round after round went on a roll it was a savage beating some lil mo xmas day face in the bisto shit got served up


Lol. Maidana got body blow round 1. motherfucker was crying on the floor.
There is still a lot of improvement khan can make though. Will have a hard time fighting bradley

[-Jay.(c)-]

he took da shots and used his speed conditioning and found a way to win , man will improve and come back stronger hes still young.bare next boxers would av gt knocked out by them punches he took warrior.


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[Unknown Poster]

If Khan had a chin (and was a bit cool and calm) he would be a top top fighter imo.

Still, a really really good fight, will download when it's up.

[GrimmyGrimGrim]

he's lucky the rope was there to save him in round 10

that was a serious bang

[D.MAN]

Lol. Maidana got body blow round 1. motherfucker was crying on the floor.
There is still a lot of improvement khan can make though. Will have a hard time fighting bradley

hear dat

[zen]

http://i802.photobucket.com/albums/yy310/NiccoloA3/l_a051cc4d7542d9162525125bc7041f4c.gif

[Clive Eboue]

Considering Maidana had previously knocked out 27 of his 29 opponents I can't see how Khan is being criticised. He held it up in his first real challenge in boxing, I have a new found minor respect for him.

[D.MAN]

http://i802.photobucket.com/albums/yy310/NiccoloA3/l_a051cc4d7542d9162525125bc7041f4c.gif

that fight pissed me off

[Jay05]

Hard what to make of the Khan fight. Technically he showed he hasnt fixed quite a few flaws.

However

He did show that his chin and heart cannot be doubted and the conditioning work he has done plus the move up in weight have helped him. 3 years ago he was getting knocked down by a soft fisted Willie Limond and Gomez and in that fight he took some huge shots.

[chris89]

Downloading this fight now

[Unknown Poster]

Downloading this fight now

Link?

[chris89]

Link?

http://www.fileserve.com/file/QBGqvvp/KhanvsMaidana.rar (http://thekickback.com/rickroll/rickroll.php)

[superdaddy]

I want the James Degale fight, anybody got a link for me to catch up on.

[chris89]

Just watched it, Khan did England proud, fuck knows how Maidana took as many shots as he did.

[Quality Control]

Great fight, both of them showed a lot of heart. Khan taking all them punches without dropping surprised the hell out of me, but his ring IQ is shockingly low.

I think Bradley would outbox him.

[-Lee-]

If there is a torrent up let me know please.
Or any specific boxing d/l sites, only got mma ones atm.

[D.MAN]

boxing >>>ufc

[Unknown Poster]

If there is a torrent up let me know please.
Or any specific boxing d/l sites, only got mma ones atm.

http://isohunt.com/torrent_details/259996441/amir+khan?tab=summary

Good quality with English commentary.

[adidasgrandad]

http://www.fileserve.com/file/QBGqvvp/KhanvsMaidana.rar (http://thekickback.com/rickroll/rickroll.php)

fucker i ctrl, alt, dlt'd it...then pressed restore when google chrome came back on lol

[Burden Durden]

This thread pisses me off. For some reason it always says there's a next page and when u click it, it just comes back to the same one. Sort that shit out.

[daspecimen]

Khan did well. Got dragged into a fight a little too often and didn't go to the body enough but he did well.

I think we can put the "criticism" of a weak chin behind him now. He took some thunderous shots and didn't go down, as wobbly as he was. I think that a lot of the chinny issues were down to him trying to get down to 135 despite being huge. Same goes for Haye as well i feel.

I'd take Khan against either Bradley or Alexander

[Keyser Söze]

Kell Brook >>>>

[adidasgrandad]

i reckon he'll have a rematch with maidana in april before fighting bradley/alexander in the summer.

[daspecimen]

i'd rather see him fight Ortiz before taking on the winner of Bradley/Alexander

[Quality Control]

Ortiz has the physical tools to beat Khan but he's just too moronic to pull it off. There's something wrong with that guy's head.

[Jay05]

I cant see Khan getting in the ring with Madiana again. He went in and left with the belt and there are bigger fish out there.

2011 is shaping up to be an interesting year for UK boxers. Kell Brook and Cleverly should both get a title early in the year. The winner of Mackin v Barker shouldnt be far off one either.

[zen]

Khan beat ortiz as a junior. I think he might fight Zab Judah next.

[adidasgrandad]

Khan beat ortiz as a junior. I think he might fight Zab Judah next.

on the decline slightly isnt he. would be a letdown if he did considering those that are available to him.

[Jay05]

I think Khans next fight/s will just be a stop gap before the Alexander/ Bradley fight.

Wouldnt be shocked about a Prescott rematch so he can say he has beaten all he has faced. Zab Judah would be a decent choice to boost his profile further and hes a decent gatekeeper of top boxers around 140/7.

[Quality Control]

Judah and Prescott II have both been rumoured for a stop-gap fight in Manchester in March. Both shitty fights imo. In a perfect world an immediate rematch with Maidana would be next with the Bradley-Alexander winner after that, but they won't risk that now.

Tbh I think Maidana would probably win a rematch.

Good news is that we haven't quite heard the last of El Chino yet, though; he's being lined up for the loser of Bradley-Alexander and there's always the Ortiz rematch.

[daspecimen]

Maidana doesn't deserve a rematch and Khan has no reason to give him one. He lost.

I'm hearing Judah will be the next fight and it's pretty much a done deal

[Jay05]

Good news is that we haven't quite heard the last of El Chino yet, though; he's being lined up for the loser of Bradley-Alexander and there's always the Ortiz rematch.

This seems a particularly sloppy piece of match making. To decide the 3rd best fighter in the divison seems like quite a sell. Not to mention losing 2 fights in a row is a terrible look.


Why do you think Maidana would win the rematch?

Khan would surely not fight as naively again and has proved he can take a few shots.

[Quality Control]

Maidana doesn't deserve a rematch and Khan has no reason to give him one. He lost.
Well, it was a great fight and competitive all the way through which is reason enough for a rematch in itself. Plus Maidana was a whisker away from knocking him out lest we forget.

Do you really want to see him fight Zab Judah instead?

Why do you think Maidana would win the rematch?

Khan would surely not fight as naively again and has proved he can take a few shots.
Khan will always fight naively because his ring smarts are nonexistant. Maidana outboxed him for large portions of the fight, and he is as crude as they come at that level. Maidana adapted to Khan around the mid-point of the fight and took over from there - I reckon he could pick up where he left off and take Khan out in a rematch.

[zen]

Khan said he learned a lot from that fight and his mistakes, I don't think it would be the same fight second time around. But still it would be good to watch it!

What I want to see is Bradley Vs Maidana because Bradley is always talking shit. He's scared of him.

They said they are looking to have Amir fight sometimes in march/april anyway so he might not even be fighting the winner of that bout which is a shame!

[D.MAN]

Maidana doesn't deserve a rematch and Khan has no reason to give him one. He lost.

I'm hearing Judah will be the next fight and it's pretty much a done deal
tbh a rematch would be silly/waste of time

khan sayin he wants floyd >>>lol

[arsenal]

tbh a rematch would be silly/waste of time

khan sayin he wants floyd >>>lol

floyd is taller and stronger/heavier let alone smarter
all khan did was run round the ring clockwise

[daspecimen]

Well, it was a great fight and competitive all the way through which is reason enough for a rematch in itself. Plus Maidana was a whisker away from knocking him out lest we forget.

Do you really want to see him fight Zab Judah instead?.

I'd rather see him take on a new challenge. Judah is one, and not the preferred option but what's he got to gain by fighting Maidana again?

Anyone know who his mandatory is?

[Quality Control]

I'd rather see him take on a new challenge. Judah is one, and not the preferred option but what's he got to gain by fighting Maidana again?
Judah doesn't count as a "new challenge" because he's not a challenge. By fighting Maidana again he can put a full stop on that rivalry, give the fans another good fight, and probably sell more PPVs and tickets than he would against almost anyone else right now (certainly more than he would against Judah).

Anyone know who his mandatory is?
Ortiz is ranked #1 by WBA atm I think.


floyd is taller and stronger/heavier let alone smarter
all khan did was run round the ring clockwise
Floyd would eat Khan alive on the inside. Khan is not in his stratosphere skill wise.

[Quality Control]

David Haye says he will be content retiring in October even without facing a Klitschko and names Chagaev as a likely future opponent.

Hilarious. Can't wait to see the look on everyone's faces when Haye retires in October having fought hepatitis riddled Chagaev who has previously been battered by Wlad and looked shit ever since, and then probably Chisora or Holyfield or someone like that as a farewell fight.

What. A. Joke.

[daspecimen]

he said the fight with Wlad could happen, but it's up to them regarding the fight with chisora and a couple of other things but if it doesn't then he will beat up Chag. Simple really.

Why people expect him to get on his knees and blow the Klitschkos to make the fight is beyond me.


Judah doesn't count as a "new challenge" because he's not a challenge. By fighting Maidana again he can put a full stop on that rivalry, give the fans another good fight, and probably sell more PPVs and tickets than he would against almost anyone else right now (certainly more than he would against Judah).

Ortiz is ranked #1 by WBA atm I think.

Rivalry? There is no rivalry.... Khan beat him and that's all there is to it. He owes Maidana a rematch no more than he does Michael Gomez, Graham Earl or anyone else.

If Maidana wants a rematch, then he should go win a belt so Khan can beat him up again and take it from him.

[Quality Control]

he said the fight with Wlad could happen, but it's up to them regarding the fight with chisora and a couple of other things but if it doesn't then he will beat up Chag. Simple really.

Why people expect him to get on his knees and blow the Klitschkos to make the fight is beyond me.
So accepting 50-50 is 'getting on his knees and blowing' is it? :smh:

The Klitschkos are, in fact, being overly generous to Haye yet he still won't fight them.

At the end of the day; Wlad is the king of the division, Haye is just a paper champ and a challenger - he should be prepared to take the onus and make the fight happen; it is pathetic that the long reigning king of the division has been reduced to begging opponents to fight him because the likes of Haye, Povetkin and Valuev are running scared. Haye marketed his whole farcical heavyweight run thus far with the promise of a fight with the Klitschkos*, but whenever negotiations occur he isn't interested or backs out at the eleventh hour. Haye has it all to prove, Wlad has already cemented his legacy as a future IBHoF inductee.

* In fact he specifically promised that he would bypass all the bullshit and jump straight in with a Klit.

Wlad has already side stepped the Chisora fight to re-enter negotiations with Haye, for the record.

Haye will genuinely be one of the worst heavyweight title holders in the history of boxing if he faces Chagaev and retires.

Rivalry? There is no rivalry.... Khan beat him and that's all there is to it. He owes Maidana a rematch no more than he does Michael Gomez, Graham Earl or anyone else.
You sound afraid of a rematch.

Maidana took Khan to hell and back. Fighters have done less than that to warrant rematches in the past. It's almost tradition for FOTY contenders (which the fight was) to receive rematches too.

He is a rival in the sense that he is a direct peer of Khan, and in mine and a lot of other neutral observers' opinions, Maidana more or less proved himself Khan's equal over the course of twelve rounds. I don't think it has been conclusively decided that Khan is above Maidana.

Plus if you take into account the fights now on the table for Khan next, they all pale in comparison to a Maidana rematch which is a guaranteed test.

Imagine if R. Marquez had had your attitude after the first Izzy fight, or Morales decided he was too good for Pacquiao after beating him the first time :smh:

[daspecimen]

So accepting 50-50 is 'getting on his knees and blowing' is it? :smh:

The Klitschkos are, in fact, being overly generous to Haye yet he still won't fight them.


At the end of the day; Wlad is the king of the division, Haye is just a paper champ and a challenger - he should be prepared to take the onus and make the fight happen; it is pathetic that the long reigning king of the division has been reduced to begging opponents to fight him because the likes of Haye, Povetkin and Valuev are running scared. Haye marketed his whole farcical heavyweight run thus far with the promise of a fight with the Klitschkos*, but whenever negotiations occur he isn't interested or backs out at the eleventh hour. Haye has it all to prove, Wlad has already cemented his legacy as a future IBHoF inductee.

* In fact he specifically promised that he would bypass all the bullshit and jump straight in with a Klit.

Wlad has already side stepped the Chisora fight to re-enter negotiations with Haye, for the record.

Haye will genuinely be one of the worst heavyweight title holders in the history of boxing if he faces Chagaev and retires.

You sound afraid of a rematch.

Maidana took Khan to hell and back. Fighters have done less than that to warrant rematches in the past. It's almost tradition for FOTY contenders (which the fight was) to receive rematches too.

He is a rival in the sense that he is a direct peer of Khan, and in mine and a lot of other neutral observers' opinions, Maidana more or less proved himself Khan's equal over the course of twelve rounds. I don't think it has been conclusively decided that Khan is above Maidana.

Plus if you take into account the fights now on the table for Khan next, they all pale in comparison to a Maidana rematch which is a guaranteed test.

Imagine if R. Marquez had had your attitude after the first Izzy fight, or Morales decided he was too good for Pacquiao after beating him the first time :smh:

How is Haye a paper Champion? Vitali is the one with the decent belt out of the three of them and i still think he's better than Wlad but that's another discussion.

Since Haye beat Valuev, his stake has risen. Adam Booth has already said from Haye's side, they are happy to have public negotiations and show their side of the deal it's the other side that aren't overly keen to do that and who are tied in with a broadcasting deal that doesn't potentially offer the best deal financially. The deal has to be fair and make sense. Signing a contract that doesn't meet that criteria is dumb.

Scared of a rematch? WTF. Khan beat him and Everyone thought once Maidana hits him it's good night and he held it, and dropped Maidana in the process. Considering Khan is still only 4 fights deep in the division, and there are plenty of other ranked guys out there. The fight was close, but not so close that there were initial calls for an immediate rematch over any controversy or anything. Maidana didn't call for an immediate rematch or appear to want one in his post fight interview.

Khan won, let him move on. Judah wouldn't be the best option, but it's looking like the most likely option. It would be good to see him in with a decent sized light welter with a good boxing brain and decent hand speed. There are a number of other top 10 guys Khan could go against, and who i'd rather see him fight but i'd sooner he went in with someone fresh who posed a different question.

There are times when a fight is so epic (Ward/Gatti) that an immediate rematch is what everyone clamours for and when neither holds a belt, that sort of thing is easier to manage and pull off. After the Izzy fight he did give him a rematch, which he lost and then he lost again. That happens sometimes but he didn't need to give him the rematch. I don't know what the super batam situation was at the time. You come like some guy that wants to see him flattened again.

[Jay05]

The Haye V Klit fight seems to be stalling now Haye has a big UK PPV market and The Klit have their standard tv deals. So a 50/50 is harder money wise on Haye.

But a Haye V Klit fight in LA seems like the sensible and best option. It would generate additional US money so the squabbling over domestic markets can be sorted.

..............................

In regards to the Khan V Maidana rematch I dont think it would be as good as the first. Alot of the excitement was the fact Khan didnt buckle. Also he has earned the right to fight a less opponent before the winner of Bradley V Alexander.

[Quality Control]

How is Haye a paper Champion? Vitali is the one with the decent belt out of the three of them and i still think he's better than Wlad but that's another discussion.
He's a paper champion because he stole his trinket off the weakest title holder and is now holding it hostage while defending against no hopers like Harrison and Ruiz.

Vitali may or may not be better than Wlad but Wlad holds the stronger CV and has been dominating the division for a lot longer than Vit. Alphabet belt fuckery aside Wlad has been the heavyweight kingpin for over five years now.

Since Haye beat Valuev, his stake has risen. Adam Booth has already said from Haye's side, they are happy to have public negotiations and show their side of the deal it's the other side that aren't overly keen to do that and who are tied in with a broadcasting deal that doesn't potentially offer the best deal financially. The deal has to be fair and make sense. Signing a contract that doesn't meet that criteria is dumb.
The Valuev win was trash. Just stalling to put off the Klitscko fight for a little longer. And he barely even won that - in fact if anything his stock plummeted for it being such a terrible fight (lowest amount of punches thrown by the winner in a heavyweight title fight ever).

All this chatter from Booth and Haye is absolute nonsense. They are just putting it out there to play the little media game and take some heat off themselves instead of actually negotiating with real intent to make the fight happen. If the contracts he's being offered are so bad why has no other Klitschko opponent ever complained about them? Why did Haye actually accept the contracts they offered him on two seperate occasions before backing out at the last minute both times, once due to a shady "back injury" and the other to fight that lump Valuev instead?

Shit, the Klitschko offers have been as transparent as you could ask for anyway - they've announced several times that they are each willing to take only 50% of the purse, fight without rematch options and potentially fight on Haye's home turf in Wembley stadium or neutral ground in New York. Hardly sounds like a "slave contract" to me. If I was in the Klitschkos' position believe Haye would not be getting more than 40%.


Scared of a rematch? WTF. Khan beat him and Everyone thought once Maidana hits him it's good night and he held it, and dropped Maidana in the process. Considering Khan is still only 4 fights deep in the division, and there are plenty of other ranked guys out there. The fight was close, but not so close that there were initial calls for an immediate rematch over any controversy or anything. Maidana didn't call for an immediate rematch or appear to want one in his post fight interview.
Khan won but he didn't prove beyond all doubt that he is the better fighter than Maidana. He was in survival mode for long periods of the fight and was knocked off stride worryingly early. He still has room to prove more against Maidana, more so than he could prove against a has-been and serial bottler like Judah.


There are times when a fight is so epic (Ward/Gatti) that an immediate rematch is what everyone clamours for and when neither holds a belt, that sort of thing is easier to manage and pull off. After the Izzy fight he did give him a rematch, which he lost and then he lost again. That happens sometimes but he didn't need to give him the rematch. I don't know what the super batam situation was at the time. You come like some guy that wants to see him flattened again.
It looks likely for Ring Magazine FOTY honours so what more do you want? I don't want to see Khan flattened, but I strongly feel Maidana deserves a second attempt. The fact that you associate me wanting a rematch with Khan being flattened again tells me you might not be as confident as you are trying to appear. That possibility that Maidana could flatten Khan does lend credence to a rematch, though - it shows you that the fight really is worthwhile.

[daspecimen]

He's a paper champion because he stole his trinket off the weakest title holder and is now holding it hostage while defending against no hopers like Harrison and Ruiz.

And Wlad has demolished some of the best heavyweights known to man?


The Valuev win was trash. Just stalling to put off the Klitscko fight for a little longer. And he barely even won that - in fact if anything his stock plummeted for it being such a terrible fight (lowest amount of punches thrown by the winner in a heavyweight title fight ever).

Trash or not, records broken or whatever all that ACTUALLY matters is that the record book shows a W where it counts.


All this chatter from Booth and Haye is absolute nonsense. They are just putting it out there to play the little media game and take some heat off themselves instead of actually negotiating with real intent to make the fight happen. If the contracts he's being offered are so bad why has no other Klitschko opponent ever complained about them? Why did Haye actually accept the contracts they offered him on two seperate occasions before backing out at the last minute both times, once due to a shady "back injury" and the other to fight that lump Valuev instead?

Because winning the belt gave him better bargaining power. Simples. Who says they haven't complained? These guys have generally come in with not much to lose and everything to gain. They get the biggest pay day of their career but these guys aren't draws.... Haye is.


Shit, the Klitschko offers have been as transparent as you could ask for anyway - they've announced several times that they are each willing to take only 50% of the purse, fight without rematch options and potentially fight on Haye's home turf in Wembley stadium or neutral ground in New York. Hardly sounds like a "slave contract" to me. If I was in the Klitschkos' position believe Haye would not be getting more than 40%.

What they announce and what they actually ask for are two different things.


Khan won but he didn't prove beyond all doubt that he is the better fighter than Maidana. He was in survival mode for long periods of the fight and was knocked off stride worryingly early. He still has room to prove more against Maidana, more so than he could prove against a has-been and serial bottler like Judah.


It looks likely for Ring Magazine FOTY honours so what more do you want? I don't want to see Khan flattened, but I strongly feel Maidana deserves a second attempt. The fact that you associate me wanting a rematch with Khan being flattened again tells me you might not be as confident as you are trying to appear. That possibility that Maidana could flatten Khan does lend credence to a rematch, though - it shows you that the fight really is worthwhile.

You make me sound like some Khan advisor. The only way he can prove that he is beyond doubt better is to win all 12 rounds. Well he doesn't need to. As noted before, the record book shows a win for Khan. Why look back when there's so much to look forward to?

Khan's chin is good. That's not to say he can't get sparked but i have faith in it. I'm just a fan who thinks there are better options and challenges out there that some wind-milling Mexican.

[Jay05]

FTR of the fights I have seen this year

Froch V Kessler
Katsidis V Marquez
perhaps even Martinez V Pavlik

are all better than Khan V Maidana

[Quality Control]

And Wlad has demolished some of the best heavyweights known to man?
Well, he's cleared out just about every willing contender in the division and amassed a record that puts him firmly in the Hall of Fame. I can safely say that Wlad's CV is several times better than David Haye's pathetic ledger.

Trash or not, records broken or whatever all that ACTUALLY matters is that the record book shows a W where it counts.
A split 'W' over a mediocre opponent. Trust me that fight will not be remembered fondly.

Because winning the belt gave him better bargaining power. Simples. Who says they haven't complained? These guys have generally come in with not much to lose and everything to gain. They get the biggest pay day of their career but these guys aren't draws.... Haye is.
More Klitschko opponents have criticised Haye for ducking the Klitschkos than have complained about any kind of "slave contract", and that's a fact. And for the record, to my knowledge, no one has actually ever complained about the contract the Klitschkos offered them besides Haye.

What they announce and what they actually ask for are two different things.
I don't see Haye's team refuting any specifics; in fact they have confirmed that they were offered a 50% split of the purse but didn't accept.

You make me sound like some Khan advisor. The only way he can prove that he is beyond doubt better is to win all 12 rounds. Well he doesn't need to.
No, he needs to prove he can actually outbox the "crude puncher" and go twelve rounds without his life flashing before his eyes at any point. In the Maidana fight Khan showed a lot of heart and a better chin than most thought he possessed, but it also highlighted gaping holes in his technique and defense, and an utter lack of any kind of ring intelligence.

As noted before, the record book shows a win for Khan. Why look back when there's so much to look forward to?
This is such a cynical and negative outlook that it's no wonder the good fights often can't be made in boxing.

Khan's chin is good. That's not to say he can't get sparked but i have faith in it. I'm just a fan who thinks there are better options and challenges out there that some wind-milling Mexican.
That "wind-milling Mexican" (Argentine actually) OUTBOXED Khan for large portions of the fight and nearly scored a TKO! I can't be content with Khan just walking away from that and not looking back. I want to see whether he can adapt, or demonstrate improved technique, or out-think the "wind-milling Mexican" in a second fight.

And no, there really are not many better options out there for him right now. Just Bradley/Alexander and that's about it.

EDIT:

And FTR, both Khan and Maidana have expressed that they would like a rematch via Twitter. So that stuff about El Chino not wanting it is bullshit, and it turns out that Khan has more faith in his ability than you do.

FTR of the fights I have seen this year

Froch V Kessler
Katsidis V Marquez
perhaps even Martinez V Pavlik

are all better than Khan V Maidana
Personally I thought the Mares-Darchinyan fight that was on before the Khan fight was better tbh, and then there are a gang of underrated ones like Hasegawa-Burgos, Escalante-Roman, Segura-Calderon, Cazares-Nashiro II, Soto-Antillon, etc. BUT Khan is a GBP fighter and a recognisable name so he will probably be right up there in the Ring Magazine awards.

[Trapstar]

whos fighting this week? let me know

[jonahomd123]

Haye is a bum...Wlad has proven hes a top fighter in the H.W Div...Haye has made a name due to his hype...while wlad doesnt really talk shit outside the ring so alot of people may know haye abit more but that doesnt make him better...If we were judging things by that respect its like saying the current "grime" acts in the chart are the best the grime scene has to offer...Just because the mass arent really aware of wlad dont be led astray by media hype.

Is the pascal hopkins fight being shown in the uk?

[Quality Control]

think the hopkins fight will be on primetime ppv. gonna stream it though, bound to be a stinker

[Jay05]

I want Pascal to retire Hopkins. There seems to be a growing opinion that Hopkins could use his craft to win on points, but he seems barely able to box for 8 rounds now and he certainly hasnt got enough power to finish Pascal.

The last thing light Heavy needs is Hopkins taking one fight every 10 months. He hasnt beat anyone of real note since a blown up Pavlik or a finished Winky Wright.

Pascal is 6 for a KO/TKO. Whilst it is unlikely I wouldnt, but I put it past him.

[Quality Control]

Pascal will definitely be dragged into an awkward fight. He doesn't have the smarts or discipline to avoid it, plus Hopkins seems to have gotten into his head. I think Pascal will win over twelve rounds on workrate, and it will be a very unsatisfying fight for both men.

There is absolutely no way that Pascal stops Hopkins. Not a chance.

[D.MAN]

Judah doesn't count as a "new challenge" because he's not a challenge. By fighting Maidana again he can put a full stop on that rivalry, give the fans another good fight, and probably sell more PPVs and tickets than he would against almost anyone else right now (certainly more than he would against Judah).

Ortiz is ranked #1 by WBA atm I think.


Floyd would eat Khan alive on the inside. Khan is not in his stratosphere skill wise.

ecnALZCisus

[NINJA]

Floyd would destroy Amir Khan and his glass jaw

[D.MAN]

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@ QC david haye is a counter puncher ,who was really gonna go and trade blows wit a 7/8 foot monster ?

[DTR]

khan sayin he wants floyd >>>lol


:laugh::laugh::laugh:
Floyd's too powerful, too fast, too smart, too strong for Khan and his skills are about 10 times better, Plus he has size advantage.
In b4 the fight is on and Khan get's nocked out in the 2nd round.

[arsenal]

did anyone watch Hopkins - Pascal ? any links?

[arsenal]

how could Hopkins come in the ring with a bally on! lol i never knew he did that all the time

[Jay05]

On Pascal V Hopkins

Hopkins was hard done by. Round 4 onwards you could argue he took every round.

Pascal thought possibly the worse game plan possible. Hopkins thought an active fight, he deserves a rematch.

DL on warez-bb.org

[arsenal]

On Pascal V Hopkins

Hopkins was hard done by. Round 4 onwards you could argue he took every round.

Pascal thought possibly the worse game plan possible. Hopkins thought an active fight, he deserves a rematch.

DL on warez-bb.org

if it wernt for the 'knockdowns' then the biased judges would have nothin to givepascal a draw gonna have to wait months til foreman's record is broken

[Quality Control]

ecnALZCisus
Obviously made by some retarded Filipino.

@ QC david haye is a counter puncher ,who was really gonna go and trade blows wit a 7/8 foot monster ?
Valuev is feather fisted and seldom even throws a punch. Haye fought like he was scared of that impotent idiot, so how is he gonna fight against two really good, big fighters in Wlad/Vit (if he ever fights them at all - which I doubt)!?

Haven't seen the Hopkins fight yet but I fully expected him to be robbed; Van de Weile is one of the biggest crooks in boxing.

Did not expect Hopkins to be floored though. Were they hard knock-downs?

[arsenal]

Obviously made by some retarded Filipino.

Valuev is feather fisted and seldom even throws a punch. Haye fought like he was scared of that impotent idiot, so how is he gonna fight against two really good, big fighters in Wlad/Vit (if he ever fights them at all - which I doubt)!?

Haven't seen the Hopkins fight yet but I fully expected him to be robbed; Van de Weile is one of the biggest crooks in boxing.

Did not expect Hopkins to be floored though. Were they hard knock-downs?

yeah i can never talke to a filipino about pacquaio mayweather if u never knew who they was u wud think that pacquaio is superman and floyd is a skinny little munchkin

also i think hopkins was robbed but the early knockdowns didnt help him though 1st was a punch to the back of his head and the 2nd came from a normal hook one that u wudnt expect hopkins to go down from

[D.MAN]

Obviously made by some retarded Filipino.

Valuev is feather fisted and seldom even throws a punch. Haye fought like he was scared of that impotent idiot, so how is he gonna fight against two really good, big fighters in Wlad/Vit (if he ever fights them at all - which I doubt)!?

Haven't seen the Hopkins fight yet but I fully expected him to be robbed; Van de Weile is one of the biggest crooks in boxing.

Did not expect Hopkins to be floored though. Were they hard knock-downs?

floyd can beat manny,haye will fight the klits next year to gain respect from strong critics like urself ,the hopkins fight aint seen it myself will watch now


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other parts on the guys youtube

hopkins rockin a bally >>>>

[Jay05]

Did not expect Hopkins to be floored though. Were they hard knock-downs?

Nah just lost his balance twice.

He went down 3 times, but the 3rd one was truly a punch to the back of the head.

The lack of balance (in part due to Pascals movement) was one arguably the only sign of ageing from Hopkins. Pascal work rate was pathetic and his corner didnt seem to be intent on speeding him up.

[Quality Control]

Nah just lost his balance twice.

He went down 3 times, but the 3rd one was truly a punch to the back of the head.

The lack of balance (in part due to Pascals movement) was one arguably the only sign of ageing from Hopkins. Pascal work rate was pathetic and his corner didnt seem to be intent on speeding him up.

I just read that Hopkins out-threw and out-landed Pascal in every round too (http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/view.php?pg=pascal-hopkins-compubox). Shit like this pisses me off so bad; Hopkins should rightfully hold the title of oldest ever world champion right now and be able to retire on that high note before he really does overstretch himself and end up badly hurt in the ring.

[D.MAN]

hopkins>>>>>>>

pascals a wasteman hopkins was on it to knock him out


will he get a rematch?

FFPoY32xgkw

i rekon he has 1 more fight left in him

[Quality Control]

he's said if he doesn't get his rematch (which pascal seems reluctant to grant) he will go for cloud and win a title off him. basically he's not retiring until he wins one last title.

[Jay05]

Pascal needs to scrap his team, his fitness is not up to scratch. I suspect he does too much weights and not enough endurance. The advice he was getting was terrible and from round 3 onwards his game plan was flawed.

Could Hopkins outsmart Cloud and take his power for 12 rounds? Pascal when he did catch him didnt ever really hurt Hopkins, but he wasnt far off a few times. If he can take Clouds power then he has no reason to retire.

[Quality Control]

I regard Cloud as roughly equal to Pascal in terms of overall threat (in fact I'd like to see them fight each other). He's a bit more explosive so he may have more luck landing on B-Hop but he is also totally there to be out-boxed. I'd pick Hopkins again by decision.

On retiring; he can't go on forever, his age will eventually catch up to him - probably very suddenly and very cruelly as is usually the way. If he can win one more title and earn that accolade of 'Oldest World Champion Ever' that would be a great note to retire on.

Edit: from what I'm reading it seems likely that Pascal-Dawson II is on the table next, which will leave Hopkins with Cloud or a long period inactivity before facing the winner. He's also been a bit reluctant to fight Dawson in the past so he probably won't like the possibility that Dawson avenges his loss (which is probable imo) and recaptures his titles. He'll probably fight Cloud I reckon.

[Jay05]

The above is all true, but I think Hopkins has at least 2 things on his side.

He started at 23 and hasnt been hurt much in his career. He has an incredible training ethic too.

I could see him having one or two fights in Philly before he goes.

[Quality Control]

To be fair it is 23 years since Hopkins was 23... lol.

[D.MAN]

hopkins is a warrior

[-Lee-]

Hopkins>>>>
Robbed, sometimes I wonder if the judges are paid off as there are some truly ridiculous decisions.

[Shanger]

mark wahlberg v will smith with stallone as ref?

they will try raise 3 mill apparantly

ws is much bigger, theyve both trained in boxing. but mw has probably trained for longer. hope it goes through will be entertaining.

[D.MAN]

when

[daspecimen]

WBA heavyweight champion David Haye’s manager and trainer Adam Booth has ripped into IBF/WBO heavyweight champion Wladimir Klitschko for opting to fight Dereck Chisora rather than a unification bout with Haye. “There were lots of people that know Wladimir really didn’t want this fight yet,” Booth told Sky Sports News. “It’s a shame. It’s embarrassing for boxing that the unification fight isn’t going to happen now because David’s bent over backwards. We’ve conceded to every single ridiculous demand they made.”

He continued, “From the start they said 50-50. David said fine, even though potentially we’re putting in the pot three or four times more than they’re putting into the pot because of pay-per-view Sky box office. David still said ‘let’s get the fight done 50-50?.

“They said the fight had to be on their German broadcaster even though our German broadcaster was prepared to pay more. We said fine. They said ‘we’re not coming to England for the fight’. David said ‘fine, I’ll go to Germany’. They said Wladimir has to be in the red corner, Wladimir has to come in second, Wladimir’s name has to be first on the poster and all these other ridiculous, egotistical things, and David said ‘fine, have it, just get him in the ring with me’.

“The last thing was, here is the date we now have, we said yes, Sky have approved that date and they turn round and say ‘we’re now doing Chisora’.

“Wladimir should feel ashamed of himself.”


http://www.fightnews.com/Boxing/haye-camp-rips-klitschko-71681#more-71681

So either Haye fights Vitali or he goes looking for some American bums to bash cos Wlad don't want it.

[Jay05]

Seems Sky didnt want an April PPV alongside Amir Khan.

http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&id=34452

No doubt Wlad could of brought forward the Chisora fight if he wanted a tune up and fought Haye in July. Hard to blame Haye for this one. Wlad has said that the July date could go ahead, but seems hugely unlikely.

Was gonna write a post about how good british boxing was looking in 2011, will hold on a few days.

[Quality Control]

So either Haye fights Vitali or he goes looking for some American bums to bash cos Wlad don't want it.

do you believe everything that comes out of booth's mouth lol? anyway i think the fight (with wlad) will now happen in the summer.

i don't know why booth is making wlad's tune-up with chisora any of his business though. if it's not a problem for wlad why should it be for them?

[Jay05]

do you believe everything that comes out of booth's mouth lol? anyway i think the fight (with wlad) will now happen in the summer.

i don't know why booth is making wlad's tune-up with chisora any of his business though. if it's not a problem for wlad why should it be for them?

why did Wlad both negotiating with Haye?

They are both as bad as each other.

[Quality Control]

why did Wlad both negotiating with Haye?

They are both as bad as each other.

pre-negotiations happen all the time. hatton was signed to fight floyd before the castillo fight even happened yet

[Jay05]

pre-negotiations happen all the time. hatton was signed to fight floyd before the castillo fight even happened yet

They were negotiating for an April date, now Wlad is saying he may fight Haye straight after.

Realistically he will only now have one shot at Haye if he retires in Oct. The fight should of gone ahead instead of the Chisora fight.

[Quality Control]

They were negotiating for an April date, now Wlad is saying he may fight Haye straight after.

Realistically he will only now have one shot at Haye if he retires in Oct. The fight should of gone ahead instead of the Chisora fight.

Sky didn't want Haye on PPV before July unless he shared a bill with Khan, which he refused to. Wlad still has his German television deals in place though and needs to fight in spring.

Haye and Booth also said some stuff about how they didn't want April because the royal wedding would overshadow the fight or something stupid like that.

It seems to me that the best way to resolve this situation would be to find a date in late July or early August, but I dunno how plausible that is in reality.

[D.MAN]

FnF7x-oIO-U


bitchkoooo!!

[D.MAN]

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[Famous?]

seen Wlad has pretty much agreed to fight Adamek in september as well now...shook

[Quality Control]

:smh:

well let's see if haye is willing to face vitali, as that is clearly what the klits want.

[Alter E-ghost]

so much politics in boxing lol and i dont even know much about it.

[Jay05]

Haye V Vitalli would be an interesting fight, whoever wins would be able to retire on a high note too.

.................................................. .................................................. ....................

2011 should be a sick year for British Boxers, Haye Apart.

Carl Froch has got what is likely to be a real brawl V Glen Johnson for the right to fight (almost certainly) Andre Ward for the super 6 title. If Froch can continue to use his boxing skills then he could possibly win both fights, even if he loses to Ward Froch could undoubtedly cause some trouble at Light Heavy.

Amir Khan will also likely face Bradley or Alexander to be the best Light Welter. He remains an enigma who is physically ahead of anyone else in the division but mentally looks lost at times and is terrible when he fights off instinct. Could be a true superstar by the end of 2011.

Ricky Burns came from nowhere in 2010 to win the super featherweight belt, having held the commonwealth belt before. Can hopefully establish himself as the top fighter in his weight, but his lack of power wont help. The division below is stacked with big fighters too.

Kell Brook will likely hold a belt by the end of the year and perhaps even start to make moves in America. Arguably has the most potential out of all British fighters. He is Pacmans mandatory, not that he will get it but could fight the big swinging Mike Jones.

James DeGale is on the verge of moving up to world level after 9 fights, has started to punch his weight, continued to look slick and is continually improving. 2011 will probably be too early for a title shot, but he could end the year right on the verge.

Nathan Cleverly will get a title fight and he is looking better year on year. Hard to judge how far he can go, but a title seems well within his grasp. Is the WBO interim Champ and Juergen Braehmer(the champ) has been given a 16month prison sentence. A fight for the belt is therefore imminent.

John Murray. Mitchell was brutally stopped by Katsidis after looking like a future champ. Murray is undefeated, but untested and 2011 could be his year to breakthrough and take a title, he needs to at least start facing opposition close to one.

Macklin V Barker with the winner challenging for a world title belt. Both dont look fantastic but if Pavlik, Williams and Martinez were to leave the division there is room for one of them to get a shot.

Not unrealistic for British boxers to hold 4 or 5 world titles at the end of the year. There are a load more fighters out there too who are looking promising too. Whatever happens, a lot of big fights should take place in 2011, even if Haye V Wlad does.

[D.MAN]

:smh:

well let's see if haye is willing to face vitali, as that is clearly what the klits want.

i told u

dont mind seeing vitali instead

i allways wonder if it was part of da master plan for him to pull out of da chisora fight last year

if it was dats some serious ducking

[arsenal]

anyone got a d/l or stream link for this? http://www.moviewatch.in/watch-2240313-Sons-of-Cuba

[Quality Control]

Haye V Vitalli would be an interesting fight, whoever wins would be able to retire on a high note too.

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2011 should be a sick year for British Boxers, Haye Apart.

Carl Froch has got what is likely to be a real brawl V Glen Johnson for the right to fight (almost certainly) Andre Ward for the super 6 title. If Froch can continue to use his boxing skills then he could possibly win both fights, even if he loses to Ward Froch could undoubtedly cause some trouble at Light Heavy.

Amir Khan will also likely face Bradley or Alexander to be the best Light Welter. He remains an enigma who is physically ahead of anyone else in the division but mentally looks lost at times and is terrible when he fights off instinct. Could be a true superstar by the end of 2011.

Ricky Burns came from nowhere in 2010 to win the super featherweight belt, having held the commonwealth belt before. Can hopefully establish himself as the top fighter in his weight, but his lack of power wont help. The division below is stacked with big fighters too.

Kell Brook will likely hold a belt by the end of the year and perhaps even start to make moves in America. Arguably has the most potential out of all British fighters. He is Pacmans mandatory, not that he will get it but could fight the big swinging Mike Jones.

James DeGale is on the verge of moving up to world level after 9 fights, has started to punch his weight, continued to look slick and is continually improving. 2011 will probably be too early for a title shot, but he could end the year right on the verge.

Nathan Cleverly will get a title fight and he is looking better year on year. Hard to judge how far he can go, but a title seems well within his grasp. Is the WBO interim Champ and Juergen Braehmer(the champ) has been given a 16month prison sentence. A fight for the belt is therefore imminent.

John Murray. Mitchell was brutally stopped by Katsidis after looking like a future champ. Murray is undefeated, but untested and 2011 could be his year to breakthrough and take a title, he needs to at least start facing opposition close to one.

Macklin V Barker with the winner challenging for a world title belt. Both dont look fantastic but if Pavlik, Williams and Martinez were to leave the division there is room for one of them to get a shot.

Not unrealistic for British boxers to hold 4 or 5 world titles at the end of the year. There are a load more fighters out there too who are looking promising too. Whatever happens, a lot of big fights should take place in 2011, even if Haye V Wlad does.

Burns, Cleverly, Murray, Macklin and Barker are not very good. Luckily Burns is in one of the weakest divisions around and probably won't have to face anyone any good for a while outside of maybe a Martinez rematch. Cleverly will get a title now but he'll never do anything really impressive. Murray will get the absolute shit beaten out of him against anyone world class - I think Brandon Rios would probably retire him. Macklin is shit, I'd like to see Barker beat him up. But neither will amount to anything on world level, especially with middleweight beginning to heat up again.

The only two I'm really bothered about right now are Khan and Froch. Dunno why Khan is wasting time with Lamont Peterson, but hopefully he gets down to business afterwards. Glen Johnson really could surprise Froch, that is gonna be a great fight.



The Haye-Klitschko situation is looking pretty farcical on all sides now. It seems to me that Haye only wants Wlad, so the brothers are trying to make him fight Vitali instead, which Haye won't do. Fuck it though, it's not a great fight anyway if you take away all the bad blood and marketing. It's hardly Mayweather v Pacquiao. Both Klitschkos are flawed boxers who get by on size and an absense of real competition, and Haye is just mediocre with a big punch. There are dozens of better fights that can and will be made in 2011.

[Quality Control]

edit: one of those fights being Donaire v Montiel, which is already signed for February. Really tough one to pick a winner for, but I'll go with Donaire just because he has youth and size on his side. But then so did Hasegawa and look what happened to him...

[-Lee-]

Heard a few things that when they tried putting the fight together with Haye's camp, Haye's lot backed down despite Vitali's side putting it forward as a 50:50 pay split with it being under fair conditions.

[Jay05]

QC dont u rate Kell Brook?

When he does step up I can see him being a real star, good to see Naz is involved and trying to stop him making the same mistakes. I think he has the beating off Mike Jones and a Saul Alvarez fight would be quality.

C/S Burns, Macklin, Barker and prob Murray. All are not far off titles though which isnt bad considering they arent in the top 5 british fighters. Saw Barker win the European belt and he had a shocker fading in the second half of the fight.

Whilst Cleverly undoubtedly has less talent than Calzaghe, that all action style will cause any low rate boxers trouble. He will get/be the WBO and hopefully will be move away from Wales and get a proper trainer.

[Quality Control]

QC dont u rate Kell Brook?

When he does step up I can see him being a real star, good to see Naz is involved and trying to stop him making the same mistakes. I think he has the beating off Mike Jones and a Saul Alvarez fight would be quality.

C/S Burns, Macklin, Barker and prob Murray. All are not far off titles though which isnt bad considering they arent in the top 5 british fighters. Saw Barker win the European belt and he had a shocker fading in the second half of the fight.

Whilst Cleverly undoubtedly has less talent than Calzaghe, that all action style will cause any low rate boxers trouble. He will get/be the WBO and hopefully will be move away from Wales and get a proper trainer.
I think Kell Brook is still too much of an unknown quantity at world level to really put much stock in him yet. He should be able to beat Mike Jones, who is rubbish, but Saul Alvarez is probably a level or two above him.

Cleverly just has no stand-out qualities that will distinguish him as a world class fighter. Light heavyweight is not a particularly tough division right now but there are still a few people around who are better than him, plus everyone who will be moving up from super middle in the next year or two.

[Jay05]

The point of my 2011 post was more that there is a lot going on in British boxing this year. Nice to see all these boxers coming through after the raft of retirements over the last few years.

[Quality Control]

i just can't really get excited about those brit fighters. there are some prospects i have my eye on, on the world stage though. mainly hispanic and a few eastern europeans. golovkin and pirog should both be formidable in a couple years time - golovkin is already being avoided by felix sturm and others.

[Jay05]

Khan is set to fight Paul McCloskey (the European Welter belt holder), because Peterson priced himself out of a fight.

I understand Khan taking an easy fight before a massive fight later in the year, but they can forget about this selling as a PPV.

[Quality Control]

seems like the perfect kind of fight to televise for free, but sky are probably too short sighted for that.

an interesting rumour i read was that jorge linares may come to england and face john murray, that would be kind of interesting. i'm pretty sure linares would expose him in humiliating fashion.

[Quality Control]

and another surprising fight that is apparently signed for april 9th now: matthew macklin vs winky wright.

pretty opportunistic match-making on mackin's part, but it might blow up in his face cos i think he is very average and winky is probably a future hall of famer after all.

[Jay05]

WTF is Winky Wright doing!? He has been retired for years and years. Also on the card Morales V Marquez, surely this cant be PPV over here.

A Macklin win proves very little, as he only beats a shot WW, however he has never been in the ring with anyone with that much class. I dont get why WW hasnt picked a yank or at least someone who is also ageing, deserves some respect though.

Is Morales shot now too? Havent seen him in years.

[Quality Control]

Is Morales shot now too? Havent seen him in years.

yeah, completely shot. he retired in 07 after a string of defeats but made a come back last year. beat willie limond lol.

[Jay05]

Im Frustrated about JMM taking that fight, he hasnt taken the easiest road recently.

Bradley V Alexander apart there is fuck all scheduled for the start of this year. I may have to start watching below featherweight if all the Bantams are fighting each other.

can QC or anyone else draw up a top 10 of new fighters for 2011?

Finally whats ESPN like for boxing coverage, thinking of getting it?

[Quality Control]

Im Frustrated about JMM taking that fight, he hasnt taken the easiest road recently.
I'm okay with it, as he's clearly on the retirement path now. He will cash in against Morales and then make a last gasp attempt to get a title in his fourth division (jnr welter.)

Bradley V Alexander apart there is fuck all scheduled for the start of this year. I may have to start watching below featherweight if all the Bantams are fighting each other.
There is Acosta v Rios in February, which is a great 'industry fight', as well as my personal most anticipated fight: Montiel v Donaire (with a Jones v Soto-Karass rematch on the undercard). Then a good card in March with Martinez v Dzinziruk and one of the biggest Irish fights in years, Andy Lee v John Duddy. Then in April we have the conclusion of the bantamweight tourney (Agbeko v Mares and Perez v Darchinyan). Matthysse v Corley and Luis Cruz v Eloy Perez could be dark horses too.

Domestically, there's the Rees v Watson and Bellew v McKenzie rematches within a week of each other in February.

Not the greatest schedule but I can pick out some gems amongst the scraps.

can QC or anyone else draw up a top 10 of new fighters for 2011?
If by 'new' you just mean prospects breaking through:

- Mikey Garcia
- Brad Solomon
- Chris Martin
- Gennady Golovkin
- Erislandy Lara
- David Lemieux
- Mercito Gesta
- Luis Garcia
- Kazuto Ioka
- Edwin Rodriguez

These are just off the top of my head so I've probably missed a couple. These are some fighters who I feel could successfully make the step up in 2011.

Finally whats ESPN like for boxing coverage, thinking of getting it?
They air Friday Night Fights the following day, which usually contains decent match-ups between B level fighters and prospects. That's pretty much it though, I think.

Edit: actually ESPN Classic sometimes shows old fights too.

[Jay05]

I will watch The Rios V Acosta fight, havent seen Acosta fight before though. Didnt realise Martinez had arranged a fight. Will it even be competitive? Cotto V Mayorga is the same night so I may stay up and watch both.

Good to see Rees again but surely he needs to be pushing himself for a shot at a title again.

The reason I was disappointed in JMM is the light welter is stacked and he could move up there and mix it up with Khan/Bradley etc, the divison is set for a big year and a few nice pay deals too. Plus it puts him right in line for the trilogy with Pacman if he holds a belt at 140.

On the new fighters I have heard of

- Gennady Golovkin
- Erislandy Lara
- David Lemieux

and all 3 looks pretty special. Im not sure of Golovkins power or defence at the top level yet and Lemieux is either the hardest puncher since Valero or being seriously under matched.

As for Lara he looks like a young mayweather, not quite as good but more willing to trade.

Im going to make an effort to follow a few more of those propects,

[Quality Control]

Didnt realise Martinez had arranged a fight. Will it even be competitive?
Dzinziruk is a really adept technician and he's unbeaten, so it's a pretty good fight to me. He has been too inactive lately though.

The reason I was disappointed in JMM is the light welter is stacked and he could move up there and mix it up with Khan/Bradley etc, the divison is set for a big year and a few nice pay deals too. Plus it puts him right in line for the trilogy with Pacman if he holds a belt at 140.
TBH I'd personally prefer to see Marquez stay and mix it up in the 135lbs division. I don't think he can comfortably carry the weight beyond that, and although there are no marquee names around at lightweight at the moment, there are some tough and exciting fighters. There was rumour of him dropping a few pounds to face Juanma Lopez at a catchweight, kind of as a grudge match since Juanma beat his brother. I actually wouldn't mind seeing that, as it seems Lopez will eventually platform out around lightweight anyway.

Oh and BTW, the Lee-Duddy fight I mentioned has been called off after Duddy just retired out of the blue yesterday.

EDIT: Also, John Murray is now being mentioned as Khan's next opponent since they are having trouble making the McCloskey fight as well as the Peterson fight now. Easily the weakest of the three names, but I'd quite enjoy watching him get the shit beaten out of him.

[arsenal]

anybody know where I can buy boxing gear in London not online and not Sports Direct please been using the club's smelly gear for too long sfe will rep

[Jay05]

Bradley V Alexander this weekend, live on Sky.

All the pundits seem to have picked Bradley and I agree.

[Jay05]

Bradley V alexander on ss2 now

http://www.everythingon.tv/channel/view/sky-sports-2-2

[arsenal]

Bradley and his hard bold head

[Jay05]

Bradley and his hard bold head

LOL

Not only does he look like Holyfield, but he uses his head like him too.

Alexander either was tricked into thinking he was winning on points, or he showed a lack of heart. Would of thought he would of gone out swinging till the end of the round at least.

[arsenal]

khan alexander would be interesting

anybody know where I can buy boxing gear in London
not online and not Sports Direct please
been using the club's smelly gear for too long :(
sfe will rep

[Jay05]

http://www.boxingscene.com/ariza-explodes-blasts-team-khan-over-financial-dispute--35294

Khans team seem a joke. Some of his early career was a farce too. Khan has really improved these last 2 years, last thing he needs is to fuck it up now.

[Quality Control]

Damnnn Montiel got iced.

[arsenal]

AzN7zoZBb34

seems to still be fucked up in the head
at least he's fixing up
nigga loves his pigeons lol

[Jay05]

Damnnn Montiel got iced.

I couldnt believe it when he managed to get to his feet, then it looked like he couldnt even look at the ref and hold his arms up yet the ref didnt stop it.

First Bantamweight fight Ive seen in years and tbh I dont know why I havent bothered following it closer. Its probably due to the lack of top British fighters at that level.


On a different note they really should scrap super Bantamweight and super Featherweight, if Montiel can rehydrate from 118 to 134. There are too many good boxers being kept apart by the proliferation of weight classes.

[arsenal]

is there a site where i can d/l past fights?
i've got the recent ones like khan/maidana
but i cannot find mayweather/gatti

[Quality Control]

I couldnt believe it when he managed to get to his feet
yeah, you gotta love mexicans.

First Bantamweight fight Ive seen in years and tbh I dont know why I havent bothered following it closer. Its probably due to the lack of top British fighters at that level.
i've always prefered the lower weights to the upper weights tbh. there's always a lot of talent down there. right now bantamweight is absolutely stacked, and donaire looks like the best boxer in the sport next to mayweather and pacquiao.

there's actually quite a few good brits between super bantam and super featherweight btw.


is there a site where i can d/l past fights?
i've got the recent ones like khan/maidana
but i cannot find mayweather/gatti
http://www.worldboxingvideoarchive.com/login.php

[arsenal]

thanks

[Jay05]

yeah, you gotta love mexicans.

i've always prefered the lower weights to the upper weights tbh. there's always a lot of talent down there. right now bantamweight is absolutely stacked, and donaire looks like the best boxer in the sport next to mayweather and pacquiao.

there's actually quite a few good brits between super bantam and super featherweight btw.



Tbf I saw the Jason Booth V Molita fight.

Who else is worth watching from Britain or internationally, I only know Rendall Munroe.

Also are there any sites which show UK cards, like Saturdays one with Frankie Gavin? Not necessarily live but to stream after.

[Quality Control]

Tbf I saw the Jason Booth V Molita fight.

Who else is worth watching from Britain or internationally, I only know Rendall Munroe.
scott quigg, carl frampton, martin lindsey, john simpson, stephen smith, joe murray, liam walsh - strong batch of brits there.

Also are there any sites which show UK cards, like Saturdays one with Frankie Gavin? Not necessarily live but to stream after.
if they aren't on worldboxingvideoarchive or tc-boxing then i dunno.

[arsenal]

anybody know where I can buy boxing gear in London
not online and not Sports Direct please
been using the club's smelly gear for too long sfe will rep

someone gots to know
:stunned:

[arsenal]

Apparently......





Wlad-Haye: Contracts Signed, It's On!

[daspecimen]

the chisora fight has been called off again, so it's highly likely.

also means that they can get the chisora/tyson fury fight on

[CatchACat]

2nd July apparently.

Anyone just watch Sykes vs Johanneson? One of the best British fights I've seen in a while, kept it going the full 12.

[arsenal]

who watched saul alvarez - hatton

these catchweigt fights need to stop

[Quality Control]

it could still fall apart again but it seems for real this time. wlad is going to murder haye. can't wait to see the deflated british boxing press after their hype job is crushed.

[D.MAN]

BITCHKO GONNA get knocked da fuck out!

[Quality Control]

big vit slaps around solis at 8:30 on sky sports

[arsenal]

big vit slaps around solis at 8:30 on sky sports

Solis aint no joke. and he's in alright shape better than Toney :laugh:

[Quality Control]

Solis aint no joke. and he's in alright shape better than Toney :laugh:
great amateur, "meh" pro

he's lost a bit of weight but he's hardly what i'd call in shape. vitali is gonna pulverise him.

[D.MAN]

Ob2nHqZXw2A

[D.MAN]

sky sports 1 ,2 or 3?????

[CatchACat]

1. Starting soon. Channel 401

[D.MAN]

sopcast?

[CatchACat]

Dunno, got sky hd.

Still pre fight talks so u got time

[Jay05]

WTF how did that knock out Solis

man has a glassier chin than Wlad.

[CatchACat]

Swear his hamstrings gone? Wouldn't even be boxing if you couldn't take that.

[Quality Control]

leg injury, not a knock out. although i think he must have been a bit wobbly-legged from the punch to even manage to fuck his leg up like that.

it's a pity because he looked pretty sharp until then.

[CatchACat]

Solis has fucked his knee, popped a ligamate or Tendon, one of them ones. Reckon he will be out a while.

Haye said its cos he is an obese cunt that used to be slim so cant handle the weight

[Keyser Söze]

Why did Klitschko stand over him like that after he knocked me down? Was there any bad blood between them ?

[D.MAN]

was vex that he dident get up

[Quality Control]

great night of boxing tonight. maidana deserved his win, but morales fought like a warrior

[arsenal]

arrgh missed it where can i watch?

[Quality Control]

james kirkland being exposed brutally by japanese fringe contender: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDRAwf2dY2o

guerrero vs katsidis: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=0ZIMCFVG (password: sweetboxing)

morales vs maidana: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=G4OQSZI1 (password: sweetboxing)

[Famous?]

^^kirkland....wow

[Jay05]

LOL at Kirkland, he was generating some buzz in America.

His story is similar to the fight night champion game.

[arsenal]

james kirkland being exposed brutally by japanese fringe contender: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDRAwf2dY2o

guerrero vs katsidis: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=0ZIMCFVG (password: sweetboxing)

morales vs maidana: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=G4OQSZI1 (password: sweetboxing)

thanks mate repped
the don diddly dan daddy for this
morales held it up well

[Jay05]

anyone got a link for Ortiz V Berto, heard it was possibly fight of the year.

I heard Khans fight had only just made 50 sells when it was pulled. Khans management team and Hatton promotions were both blaming each other subtly for the poor undercard.

[Sosa]

loool that jap >>>> kirklands frail jaw


how could he have got so far without being found out before lol

[Quality Control]

Wow, I've only just checked last night's results:
Ortiz beat Berto and Juanma Lopez was TKOed by Salido

Here's the links (passwords: sweetboxing):
Lopez-Salido
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=ZIBARS70
Berto-Ortiz
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=GFWCWVW2

[zen]

Can also watch the Berto Vs Ortiz fight here

http://boxingfans.org/uncategorized/andre-berto-vs-victor-ortiz-fight-replay/2/

Absolute sick fight. One of the best this year!

[Sosa]

temporary unavailable an removed by owner

[UKGrime.TV]

anywhere to watch that last khan fight online?

[Jay05]

Wow, I've only just checked last night's results:
Ortiz beat Berto and Juanma Lopez was TKOed by Salido

Here's the links (passwords: sweetboxing):
Lopez-Salido
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=ZIBARS70
Berto-Ortiz
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=GFWCWVW2

:stunned:
Juanma got exposed, Salido deserved his win but those huge looping hooks should of never been enough. Juanma does deserve a rematch and I would expect him to get a points win.

Ryan Rhodes has got a title shot at Saul Alvarez on the 18 June.

[arsenal]

anywhere to watch that last khan fight online?

.http://boxingfans.org/uncategorized/amir-khan-vs-paul-mccloskey-fight-replay/2/

[Quality Control]

darren barker fighting on ss1

[Jay05]

Anyone got any enthusiasm for Pacman V Mosley?

The undercard should be worth a watch alone.

[Quality Control]

meh, mosley is too far gone. i want him to win though, just because it'd be hilarious. i hope he gets roided to the tits and brutalises pac like he did margarito.

[arsenal]

meh, mosley is too far gone. i want him to win though, just because it'd be hilarious. i hope he gets roided to the tits and brutalises pac like he did margarito.

lol
but he's a dark horse i think he can put pac down but he's like a duracell bunny he'd just get right back up:laugh::laugh:

[Quality Control]

Rumour has it that Mayweather will fight Victor Ortiz in September.

Wouldn't be a bad fight, imo. Better than any of Pacquiao's recent fights anyway; at least Ortiz is coming off a win.

[Scrappy123]

Anyone watching Pacman Mosley then?

[NaiJaBoY]

I will not be wasting my time

[Clive Eboue]

Guna go round my boys in a couple hours. His dad is an alcoholic so whenever we go over for the boxing there's like 3 crates and 40 quids worth of Pizza Hut lol

Come on Mosley.

[jninet]

rip manny, heard man died in a car crash today.

[kilik]

forgot this fight was on tonight. its on sky sports so im gna watch it. surprised its not ppv.

kinda pointless fight tho mosley aint won a fight for over 2 years.

manny and mayweather should be forced to fight each other. this is why mma has surpassed boxing because there is no ducking fights unless you are teammates which is understandable

[G-R]

Anyone got links to a stream of the pacquiao fight?

[D.MAN]

what time

[Quality Control]

main event probably won't start until 4am, but the programme starts at 2am.

prizefighter was on earlier; mike perez the cuban won it easily and looked really good.

prediction: pacquiao by wide decision or richardson throws in the towel in the later rounds. pacman seems to have lost a little bit of killer instinct and him and shane were acting like old pals at the weigh-in so i don't think we will see an out-and-out stoppage unless shane's chin has dramatically declined since he last fought. i will be mildly surprised if mosley lands a single significant punch, and i think this will be even more one-sided than mayweather-mosley.

[D.MAN]

kl

[DTR]

http://www.fatbrummie.com/stream-1.php

[Quality Control]

at least the arce-vazquez fight was worth staying up for.

[Clive Eboue]

at least the arce-vazquez fight was worth staying up for.

.

Encouraging signs for Mayweather if the fight ever goes ahead though. Also there wasn't enough Freddie Roach tonight.

[arsenal]

I think Maoney May will beat him now. b4 i was 50/50. pac man cud hardly get to mosley with clean shots and money may's defence is much better than sugar shane's

was really dissapointed with pacmans performance. he looked brilliant in training

[kilik]

Just from watching that fight everyone should realise that mayweather would beat pacman if they fight. Mosley is way past his prime but still put up a good fight.

Mayweather outclassed mosley two years with ease minus the 2nd round where he was rocked.

mayweather would outbox pacman and beat him with counter punches that he is best at

[arsenal]

Rumour has it that Mayweather will fight Victor Ortiz in September.

Wouldn't be a bad fight, imo. Better than any of Pacquiao's recent fights anyway; at least Ortiz is coming off a win.

Ortiz said all he has to do is look over the contract then its a done deal
there's even a venue on boxrec Dallas Cowboy stadium apparently

http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=257314&cat=boxer


Just from watching that fight everyone should realise that mayweather would beat pacman if they fight. Mosley is way past his prime but still put up a good fight.

Mayweather outclassed mosley two years with ease minus the 2nd round where he was rocked.

mayweather would outbox pacman and beat him with counter punches that he is best at

exactly this
i dunno why but suttin makes me think pac man flopped on purpose hahah
he looked much better in sparring!

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=0XP13VDK
^^ link for those that missed the bout password:sweetboxing

[Joe]

stream?

[Quality Control]

prediction: pacquiao by wide decision or richardson throws in the towel in the later rounds. pacman seems to have lost a little bit of killer instinct and him and shane were acting like old pals at the weigh-in so i don't think we will see an out-and-out stoppage unless shane's chin has dramatically declined since he last fought. i will be mildly surprised if mosley lands a single significant punch, and i think this will be even more one-sided than mayweather-mosley.
it wasn't as one-sided as the mayweather fight and pacquiao surprised me with his inability to overcome shane's movement, but i think i was close. the fight was fought with an embarrassing level of goodwill -- they must have touched gloves more times than they threw punches. mosley offered fuck-all in the way of offense and was seriously out on his feet by the championship rounds.

i'm much more confident of a mayweather win if that fight ever gets made now.

[arsenal]

stream?


http://www.putlocker.com/file/d8d1955ea3103906#
^^to watch

full fight, alright quality.
Safe.
.

[Clive Eboue]

lol @ Wlad mugging Haye off in the press conference today. I hope he knocks Haye out.

[Papinades_]

Pac-Mosley was terrible. There was more gloving touching than actual fighting.

[arsenal]

yep. i feel sorry for the people that paid big bucks to watch it ringside
the paid $$$$ to watch soft sparring hahaha
pac man was hittinh his sparring partners harder than he touched mosley
i thought they were gonna kiss @ one point...the amount of hugging they did:laugh:

[Jay05]

On the issue of sportsmanship

Mosley touched gloves twice with pacman for every power punch he landed and exactly the same amount of times he landed a jab.

Although after the Mora farce and the Mayweather fight did anyone expect Mosley to come out throwing bombs?

Im Glad Marquez has got his trilogy with Pacman, although at 145 he is gonna get taken apart if he is as slow and flabby as he looked V Mayweather.

If Ortiz V Mayweather goes ahead, it should be a decent fight while it lasts and it may even lead to Mayweather V Pacman next year as their is truly no one left for either fighter to face.

[Clive Eboue]

What happened to the Mayweather v Sergio Martinez rumours? I'd like to see it happen.

[Quality Control]

What happened to the Mayweather v Sergio Martinez rumours? I'd like to see it happen.
never gonna happen. sergio is too big and too dangerous.

[arsenal]

never gonna happen. sergio is too big and too dangerous.

.

and plus Pacman looks like he's fighting Bradley this year (thats why he rejected Khan's offer)
and Marquez is squaring off w/ Zab Judah
but i bet there's a turnaround and pac ends up facing marquez again

[FoundTheGif]

What is the most common type of boxing style?

[Quality Control]

What is the most common type of boxing style?
there isn't one really. i guess it's probably the 'brawler' archetype, which is just dependent on a strong will and an ability to take some punishment -- tend to find a lot of these guys on the fringes of world level -- but no trainer would encourage it to their pupils. there is a vast multitude of blueprints that different boxers abide by: slicksters (quick and defensive minded), sluggers (big hitters), swarmers (relentless aggressors), brawlers (tough boxers who like their fights action packed), counter-punchers (economical fighters who value quality over quantity) and innumerable deviations and combinations of those styles.

there's also the southpaw/orthodox stances: southpaw being right hand forward and orthodox being left hand forward. orthodox fighters are much more common because it's the recommended stance for right handers.

[FoundTheGif]

there isn't one really. i guess it's probably the 'brawler' archetype, which is just dependent on a strong will and an ability to take some punishment -- tend to find a lot of these guys on the fringes of world level -- but no trainer would encourage it to their pupils. there is a vast multitude of blueprints that different boxers abide by: slicksters (quick and defensive minded), sluggers (big hitters), swarmers (relentless aggressors), brawlers (tough boxers who like their fights action packed), counter-punchers (economical fighters who value quality over quantity) and innumerable deviations and combinations of those styles.

there's also the southpaw/orthodox stances: southpaw being right hand forward and orthodox being left hand forward. orthodox fighters are much more common because it's the recommended stance for right handers.

What would you say is the best type? Do you think it's good to have a little bit of all of them?

As for the stances, concerning the orthodox stances specifically, why do right handers use this, other than it being recommended?

And how long is 12 rounds (Are there 12 rounds or 14?)?

[Quality Control]

What would you say is the best type? Do you think it's good to have a little bit of all of them?
different styles suit different boxers. if you're fast and have long arms but a weak chin, it's best to adopt a slick style. if you're tough and love violence then you're better suited to brawling. no one style conquers all, nor are they like pokemon types with weaknesses and super-effective bonuses. personally i like watching skillful counter-punchers the most.

As for the stances, concerning the orthodox stances specifically, why do right handers use this, other than it being recommended?
so you can jab with your weak hand and throw power punches with your strong hand.

And how long is 12 rounds (Are there 12 rounds or 14?)?
each round is three minutes long and there's a one minute gap between each, so a fight is just over 45 mins altogether. edit: yeah, twelve rounds.

[FoundTheGif]

Right. Thank you for the help.

[FoundTheGif]

What's the biggest boxing event? Like the biggest tournie or something?

[critic of musical arts]

lol

[Clive Eboue]

The boxing world cup is scheduled every three years to coincide with the world Quidditch championships.

I think it's being held in Timbuktu next year.

[arsenal]

^ lol the boy just wants to learn leave him be :D

[Quality Control]

What's the biggest boxing event? Like the biggest tournie or something?
there is no centralised sanctioning body in boxing, so fighters and their promoters tend to just pick and choose who to fight rather than being forced to fight certain guys as part of a tournament or league or whatever. there is no boxing equivalent of uefa or the premiership making sure that everything is all good and fair.

the closest thing would be the alphabet titles and their rankings, which boxers have to climb in order to eventually secure a title shot, but they are easily fiddled to the benefit of more popular boxers / powerful promoters. there are four major titles: wba, wbc, wbo and ibf, so any one division could have up to four world "champions" at a time.

the biggest events are just determined by the celebrity/ability of the two boxers involved. the biggest ones ever were probably ali's fights with frazier and foreman, joe louis' with max schmeling, and jack johnson's with james j jeffries (also the most alliterative fight of all time).

[arsenal]

What's the biggest boxing event? Like the biggest tournie or something?

There's a super 6 middleweight tournament
a prizefighter in the uk
the olympics are pretty big
and there 4 main World title belts worth winning WBC,WBO,WBA,IBF (they have these belts in all/most of the different weight divisions)

edit: basically what QC said. just saw his post

[Quality Control]

ward v abraham on now

http://www.firstrowsports.eu/watch/64745/1/watch-andre-ward-vs-arthur-abraham.html

[Keyser Söze]

Locked

[Clive Eboue]

Abraham's looking nakered.

[Keyser Söze]

He was ok in the first 3 rounds, dont think he threw a punch that round(7th).

[Clive Eboue]

He was ok in the first 3 rounds, dont think he threw a punch that round(7th).

Can't say I remember more than a couple at most lol

[Quality Control]

good performance by ward. abraham was very up for it but he just didn't have the tools.

[Clive Eboue]

RIP Froch.

[Quality Control]

froch beating johnson isn't even a sure thing tbh.

[Clive Eboue]

Fair point. I'm expecting him to get past Johnson though, Froch is quite funny.

[Flawless]

Does anyone know were u can watch any of the 24/7's online will rep

[Quality Control]

Braehmer has pulled out of Saturday's fight. Fuck buying that PPV now.

They're trying to line up Bellew as a replacement but he'll likely be too heavy.