Time to sort my body out. IIT you give advice

[Husso]

So iv decided it's time i sort my body out but not 100% on what my training/ workout program should be.

I'm currently 6'2 almost 6'3 just under 16 stone and a very broad fellow. I'm over weight ye but ain't no Stax

If been looking at doing the 5x5 Stronglift program and putting 30 min jogs inbetween the days i have off and a full rest on the sunday.

Also i want todo an Ab workout in the morning but i keep seeing situps are a waste of time so whats a good alternative?

So pretty much when i start my days would look like this.

Monday: 5x5

Tuesday: 30 min jog

Wednesday: 5x5

Thursday: 30 min jog

Friday:5x5

Saturday: 30 min jog

Sunday:Full body rest

With some sort of ab work out in the mornings added to.


Would this be to much? Or just right? Should i forget about the 30 min jogs and just let my body rest?

Also not looking to get hench here just want lose my belly then get toned and generally fitter.

[50 Cedis]

Also not looking to get hench here just want lose my belly then get toned

diet

[Husso]

diet

Dieting won't help get my fittness levels up surely, plus i would still like to enjoy the food i eat.

[akshay]

So iv decided it's time i sort my body out but not 100% on what my training/ workout program should be.

I'm currently 6'2 almost 6'3 just under 16 stone and a very broad fellow. I'm over weight ye but ain't no Stax

If been looking at doing the 5x5 Stronglift program and putting 30 min jogs inbetween the days i have off and a full rest on the sunday.

Also i want todo an Ab workout in the morning but i keep seeing situps are a waste of time so whats a good alternative?

So pretty much when i start my days would look like this.

Monday: 5x5

Tuesday: 30 min jog

Wednesday: 5x5

Thursday: 30 min jog

Friday:5x5

Saturday: 30 min jog

Sunday:Full body rest

With some sort of ab work out in the mornings added to.


Would this be to much? Or just right? Should i forget about the 30 min jogs and just let my body rest?

Also not looking to get hench here just want lose my belly then get toned and generally fitter.

if ur looking to lose weight just find ur nearest boxing gym and go there twice a week u'll lose the pounds so fast the way the trainers push u is second to none tbh

u'll hate it at first so maybe start going just once a week but once u get into the flow of it start going twice a week

with boxing u wont even need to watch what ur eating as much as gym

boxing sounds exactly like what u need tbh ur fitness will be sky high and theres a lot of circuit training and interval shit like sprints so u'll be a toned cunt

u'll see results after 2 weeks tbh

[Husso]

akshay Safe will have a look in to that then.

Still would like a little workout in the morning to get me motivated from the rest of the day.

[50 Cedis]

Dieting won't help get my fittness levels up surely, plus i would still like to enjoy the food i eat.

yeah but getting your nutrition right will help. I only just started getting my diet right, eating clean, finding out the right amount of macro nutrients and fitting them into my daily calorie intake and my physique already looks 10x better than when i was just banging out the weights doing cardio and still eating shit.

i'm sure people who post in this section more regularly will tell you.

[Husso]

50 Cedis i hear ya but i just want to walk before i start trying to run if you know what i mean.

But will start looking in to eating more healthy.

Just want to start doing fitness training as that will get me more motivated than just eating healthy if you know what i mean.

[50 Cedis]

50 Cedis i hear ya but i just want to walk before i start trying to run if you know what i mean.

But will start looking in to eating more healthy.

Just want to start doing fitness training as that will get me more motivated than just eating healthy if you know what i mean.

yeah cool i hear ya don...


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[iKlozzle]

Dieting won't help get my fittness levels up surely, plus i would still like to enjoy the food i eat.

Diet and exercise go hand in hand.

If you're eating crap all the time, you're still gonna be unhealthy on the inside.

Eat clean foods and just do cardio. Simple.

[Antonio7]

I'd recommend eating less (work out how many calories you need), and hitting the treadmill everyday.

Do that till you've lost some fat, then hit the weights imo.

[Pred]

Husso read this http://www.reddit.com/help/faqs/Fitness

[Husso]

Diet and exercise go hand in hand.

If you're eating crap all the time, you're still gonna be unhealthy on the inside.

Eat clean foods and just do cardio. Simple.

Tbh its not like i eat crap all the time.

The breakfast is normally 2-3 weatabix.

Lunch is some kind of sandwich from ham to cheese to cornbeef.

Tea (Dinner for all the Southern Dons) Ranges from Pasta to Chicken + jacket potato and salad to a curry etc.

So just think i need to adjust my diet a little, drop a few things and hit the cardio.

But nice one everyone for the advice so far init.

[Husso]

Pred just started reading it, so far is confirming what i all ready know/ read but is just pretty much agreeing with you man about getting my diet sorted to.

So guess i will start doing some research in to my diet plan etc and get going as soon as possible.

Can anyone suggest a cardio training program i could start? Or just find what suits me?

Safe lads will rep everyone itt

[Antonio7]

Your diet looks like too many carbs

[iKlozzle]

Just start by going running 4/5 times a week for 30 minutes then up that. Keep challenging yourself too.

Try incorporate some HIIT into your routine too (look it up if you don't know) as its great for burning fat.

[Romelu Lukaku]

Cut out carbs.

Prophet Dan

[Shanger]

low carb + eating at maintenance or lower + intermittent fasting + weights = a leaner u

[RealOnRoad]

One option is never get fizzy drinks, just get water. If you do this you'll find that after about 2 weeks you don't crave those drinks again and actually get put off by them

[iKlozzle]

One option is never get fizzy drinks, just get water. If you do this you'll find that after about 2 weeks you don't crave those drinks again and actually get put off by them

r/s

Just drink milk, fruit juice and water

[slu-wasteguy]

http://rapidimg.org/images/yZBFz.jpg

just read this mate

http://www.putlocker.com/file/C70E5DADACF86F86

[Antonio7]

One option is never get fizzy drinks, just get water. If you do this you'll find that after about 2 weeks you don't crave those drinks again and actually get put off by them


r/s

Just drink milk, fruit juice and water

Just drink coke zero lads.

[Husso]

One option is never get fizzy drinks, just get water. If you do this you'll find that after about 2 weeks you don't crave those drinks again and actually get put off by them

Don't drink fizzy drinks at all anymore tbh. Only as a mixer and thats everyone now and then.

Mostly drink juice (Cut that down to just water over the past few days doe) and cups of tea.

Plus never really craved them to begin with.

When ever i went Maccy D's was always Fanta Still and of course recently Oasis but then again haven't been there in about 2 months.

[John Travolta]

drop the weights until you are at the body fat level you wish to be at, then ask for advice. too many fucking idiots in the world all with the same one liner 'i want to drop fat and add muscle also, whats the best diet/training/supplement needed to accomplish this?' the real answer is steroids, it is possible without but only for those with the right genetics, and the results are mediocre at best. i don't know how many times I have to advocate to this forum how big of a role steroids play in the entire fitness industry, none of these fucking morons selling their training programmes or supplements are drug free, I do not give a fucking shit what you say or think


Just drink coke zero lads.

if you're worried about how your body looks avoid fizzy drinks full stop, these don't contain the calories however they are more carbonated leading to a much more bloated stomach for hours after drinking them

[Karim Benzema]

Dieting won't help get my fittness levels up surely, plus i would still like to enjoy the food i eat.

mate its diet and exercise


without diet
-your body wont have enough fuel it needs
-you'll be gaining and losing the wrong kind of mass
-it just wont work


same as if you just did a diet
-you'd lost a bit of weight but nothing special





exercise is the 50% to a leaner stronger body....diet is the other 50%


even if you dont want to eat the right foods now you should at least incorporate a few foods into your current diet


a healthy diet and a fitness diet aren't really the same. you dont need to eat bare cabbage and shit.


fitness diets are pretty much (for someone like you) low/mid carbs, low sat fat and lots of protein

protein means chicken


you like chicken bro?

cause i do.


cut down on the tea :laugh::-D:evilgrin:

[John Travolta]

just do fasted cardio 5 days per week (yes 5) and keep carbs below 50-60g per day and do not eat them after 6. Carbs spike insulin which in turn leads to fat being stored, no (or little) carbs keeps insulin under control meaning fat will be more available as energy in the body and not stored, this is the most simple way of putting it, if you don't lose weight doing what I just said you are a fucking idiot. the 50g of carbs you get should also be high GI carbs as to maximise insulin control, the lower the glycemic index, the more insulin will spike as low GI carbs are sugar based.

[Boris Bowser]

Shanger what is the benefit of fasting? lol, I thought it would be counteractive if you're trying to build muscle/tone-up at the same time?

[akshay]

Shanger what is the benefit of fasting? lol, I thought it would be counteractive if you're trying to build muscle/tone-up at the same time?

. Shanger waam with the fastin all of a sudden

[Boris Bowser]

Ramadan lulul


Also surely doing cardio whilst fasted is even more counteractive to muscle growth lol

[Shanger]

Shanger what is the benefit of fasting? lol, I thought it would be counteractive if you're trying to build muscle/tone-up at the same time?



. Shanger waam with the fastin all of a sudden

fasting releases growth hormone which burns fat builds muscle

training fasted burns fat instead of the food u just ate

if u fast lean gains style, u still eat every day, just with a smaller window

this means that when u do eat, u can eat lots, having 2 big meals >>>>>>>>>>>>>> eating small cock tease meals throughout the day imo

u can bulk or cut on this depending on how many cals u get in ur eating window, either way u burn fat during ur fast, so make lean gains.

it's natural too, our ancestors would hunt during the day (or food would not be available for long periods). and then eat a big meal at night. we're designed to be able to fast

plus theres health benefits, fasting gets rids of dead cells, can help detoxify the body, get rid of cancerous shit, tumours etc.


Ramadan lulul


Also surely doing cardio whilst fasted is even more counteractive to muscle growth lol

only if u run for like an hour, short 20-30min jog, or long walk, or HIIT for 10-15 mins is fine

& for the record fasting been around for quite a while, before muslims too (jesus fasted). & u still drink water too. if u still feel islamic doing it just break ur fast with pork like i do most days bmt

[akshay]

fasting releases growth hormone which burns fat builds muscle

training fasted burns fat instead of the food u just ate

if u fast lean gains style, u still eat every day, just with a smaller window

this means that when u do eat, u can eat lots, having 2 big meals >>>>>>>>>>>>>> eating small cock tease meals throughout the day imo

u can bulk or cut on this depending on how many cals u get in ur eating window, either way u burn fat during ur fast, so make lean gains.

it's natural too, our ancestors would hunt during the day (or food would not be available for long periods). and then eat a big meal at night. we're designed to be able to fast

plus theres health benefits, fasting gets rids of dead cells, can help detoxify the body, get rid of cancerous shit, tumours etc.



only if u run for like an hour, short 20-30min jog, or long walk, or HIIT for 10-15 mins is fine

& for the record fasting been around for quite a while, before muslims too (jesus fasted). & u still drink water too. if u still feel islamic doing it just break ur fast with pork like i do most days bmt

can u give an example of one of ur fasting days like times when u eat/when u dont, ur meals etc pls

[Shanger]

can u give an example of one of ur fasting days like times when u eat/when u dont, ur meals etc pls

well since im cutting on roughly 2000 cals a day-

9am Wake up
10am-11am Workout
3pm Meal #1. 7 bacon rashers + 3 fried eggs. 700ml whole milk (1100 cals roughly)
8pm Meal #2. Beef steaks, cheese. (1000cals roughly depending on weight obv)
9pm Stop Eating by now
12am Go bed
REPEAT


- i use a 6 hour eating window here (3pm-9pm), with leangains intermittent fasting you can use up to an 8hour window.

- if i can (which is often), i will make my eating window even smaller (4-5hours or less) so that my fasting will last for longer. since i like eating it's no problem for me to get all my cals in within tht short
time so it's bless, but if u get full then make it longer (up to 8hours max).

- i follow a low carb/high fat diet hence my meal choices.

- if i wana push my eating window till later and make my fast longer (which i do often), then i will. for example i might decide to start eating from 5pm-11pm instead, as long as I've fasted for at least 16 hours before i eat it's bless.

[quality]

well since im cutting on roughly 2000 cals a day-

9am Wake up
10am-11am Workout
3pm Meal #1. 7 bacon rashers + 3 fried eggs. 700ml whole milk (1100 cals roughly)
8pm Meal #2. Beef steaks, cheese. (1000cals roughly depending on weight obv)
9pm Stop Eating by now
12am Go bed
REPEAT


- i use a 6 hour eating window here (3pm-9pm), with leangains intermittent fasting you can use up to an 8hour window.
- if i can (which is often), i will make my eating window even smaller (4-5hours or less) so that my fasting will last for longer. since i like eating it's no problem for me to get all my cals in within tht short time so it's bless, but if u get full then make it longer (up to 8hours max).
- i follow a low carb/high fat diet hence my meal choices.

Do you take shakes etc? I couldn't go in the morning on a completely empty stomach.

[Shanger]

Do you take shakes etc? I couldn't go in the morning on a completely empty stomach.

yeah usually take shakes but since im cutting, i'd rather the limited cals i do get in each day come from real foods.
when i bulk/maintain will bring shakes back in

and u get used to it, i felt more energetic on empty stomach (have worked 11hour shifts without eating till i got home).

when i ate at work after lunch time felt groggy and like shit, wanted to just sleep.

[akshay]

well since im cutting on roughly 2000 cals a day-

9am Wake up
10am-11am Workout
3pm Meal #1. 7 bacon rashers + 3 fried eggs. 700ml whole milk (1100 cals roughly)
8pm Meal #2. Beef steaks, cheese. (1000cals roughly depending on weight obv)
9pm Stop Eating by now
12am Go bed
REPEAT


- i use a 6 hour eating window here (3pm-9pm), with leangains intermittent fasting you can use up to an 8hour window.

- if i can (which is often), i will make my eating window even smaller (4-5hours or less) so that my fasting will last for longer. since i like eating it's no problem for me to get all my cals in within tht short
time so it's bless, but if u get full then make it longer (up to 8hours max).

- i follow a low carb/high fat diet hence my meal choices.

- if i wana push my eating window till later and make my fast longer (which i do often), then i will. for example i might decide to start eating from 5pm-11pm instead, as long as I've fasted for at least 16 hours before i eat it's bless.

klkl sfe i get it do u only fast when ur cutting or do ppl fast generally too while bulking?

also why u got a high fat diet? i woulda thought fat and carbs would be relatively low tbh

[Shanger]

klkl sfe i get it do u only fast when ur cutting or do ppl fast generally too while bulking?

also why u got a high fat diet? i woulda thought fat and carbs would be relatively low tbh

good for both cutting and bulking, i'll be using it to bulk soon. minimises fat gain.

& eating fat doesn't make u fat. if ur eating low carb ur energy comes from fat (if ur low carb gotta eat lots of fat), eating low fat will lower testosterone too, saturated fat is good for u.

[akshay]

good for both cutting and bulking, i'll be using it to bulk soon. minimises fat gain.

& eating fat doesn't make u fat. if ur eating low carb ur energy comes from fat (if ur low carb gotta eat lots of fat), eating low fat will lower testosterone too, saturated fat is good for u.

saafe i never even knew that the energy wud come from fat i always wondered if i had 0 carbs how wud i get my energy but bless for that

[AJNorthEast]

Any of you guys recommend a diet or something to stick to while doing weights, i go gym 3 times a week but only do weights bench press, flys etc. Ive got a little flab on my stomach nothing major, but i think its too much for cardio to sort out on its own so i need a little help...

Edit: i dont do much cardio so i know ill have to increase that

[John Travolta]

good for both cutting and bulking, i'll be using it to bulk soon. minimises fat gain.

& eating fat doesn't make u fat. if ur eating low carb ur energy comes from fat (if ur low carb gotta eat lots of fat), eating low fat will lower testosterone too, saturated fat is good for u.

the lowered testosterone from eating low fat is irrelevant, the same as fasting releasing growth hormone, it's on such a small scale it makes 0 difference in all honesty. fair play for staying natty and wanting to, and you're happy the way you're doing it, but in all honesty i wouldn't bother dieting to any extent that was uncomfortable with you or your lifestyle as a natty...it's just not worth it.

[Shanger]

the lowered testosterone from eating low fat is irrelevant, the same as fasting releasing growth hormone, it's on such a small scale it makes 0 difference in all honesty. fair play for staying natty and wanting to, and you're happy the way you're doing it, but in all honesty i wouldn't bother dieting to any extent that was uncomfortable with you or your lifestyle as a natty...it's just not worth it.

i dont know man, cholesterol (something lacking in low fat diets) is what makes some hormones like testos. & ppl apparently get low sex drive etc when on low fat diets.

with the fasting i've seen diff research so i dont think anything conclusive can be said, tho some studies show GH increasing by 6 times so if true tht would be significant imo. and would explain y guys doin IF can build muscle n lose fat at same time

my diet ive chosen suits me overall cos i like eating fatty meats like bacon. ur right i dont need to live uncomfortably or care cos realistically if i just met my cals n protein could stay lean eatin any shit. but i think my way is generally more healthy (high fat low carb)

[John Travolta]

i dont know man, cholesterol (something lacking in low fat diets) is what makes some hormones like testos. & ppl apparently get low sex drive etc when on low fat diets.

with the fasting i've seen diff research so i dont think anything conclusive can be said, tho some studies show GH increasing by 6 times so if true tht would be significant imo. and would explain y guys doin IF can build muscle n lose fat at same time

my diet ive chosen suits me overall cos i like eating fatty meats like bacon. ur right i dont need to live uncomfortably or care cos realistically if i just met my cals n protein could stay lean eatin any shit. but i think my way is generally more healthy (high fat low carb)

where are these studies? not being a cunt just don't believe so called studies you read all over the net unless they are proper medical ones and not some doctors blog/write up that he spouts all sorts of shit in to. If the 6 times thing were true then nobody would bother spending the £100-400 (depending on dose and brand) it costs to run growth per month and just do the fasting thing, 6 times is substantial but I don't believe for one second that's true lol. Bare in mind 95% of 'studies' you read on this sort of thing online are done on rats, same way some people read studies on AAS and take them for gospel, when they are done on rats.

[slu-wasteguy]

well since im cutting on roughly 2000 cals a day-

9am Wake up
10am-11am Workout
3pm Meal #1. 7 bacon rashers + 3 fried eggs. 700ml whole milk (1100 cals roughly)
8pm Meal #2. Beef steaks, cheese. (1000cals roughly depending on weight obv)
9pm Stop Eating by now
12am Go bed
REPEAT


- i use a 6 hour eating window here (3pm-9pm), with leangains intermittent fasting you can use up to an 8hour window.

- if i can (which is often), i will make my eating window even smaller (4-5hours or less) so that my fasting will last for longer. since i like eating it's no problem for me to get all my cals in within tht short
time so it's bless, but if u get full then make it longer (up to 8hours max).

- i follow a low carb/high fat diet hence my meal choices.

- if i wana push my eating window till later and make my fast longer (which i do often), then i will. for example i might decide to start eating from 5pm-11pm instead, as long as I've fasted for at least 16 hours before i eat it's bless.

anywhere i can read or watch this shit online?

need it to be more simplified.

#NoRetardation (http://www.grimeforum.com/forum/misc.php?do=dbtech_usertag_hash&hash=NoRetardation)

[Shanger]

anywhere i can read or watch this shit online?

need it to be more simplified.

#NoRetardation (http://www.grimeforum.com/forum/misc.php?do=dbtech_usertag_hash&hash=NoRetardation)

cant post vids cos someone is recording somethin on this comp atm

but just youtube search "intermittent fasting" and u'll see near the top a hodgetwin video explainin what its about

Xtra P also linked a longer video in gym forum a week or so ago tht explains it more in-depth

[Shanger]

where are these studies? not being a cunt just don't believe so called studies you read all over the net unless they are proper medical ones and not some doctors blog/write up that he spouts all sorts of shit in to. If the 6 times thing were true then nobody would bother spending the £100-400 (depending on dose and brand) it costs to run growth per month and just do the fasting thing, 6 times is substantial but I don't believe for one second that's true lol. Bare in mind 95% of 'studies' you read on this sort of thing online are done on rats, same way some people read studies on AAS and take them for gospel, when they are done on rats.

i'll have a proper look for some, theyre referenced in couple books i read. hopefully can find the full studies

but here's a good one-

http://jcem.endojournals.org/content/91/3/987.full.pdf+html

this ones jus an abstract but also confirms

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?Db=pubmed&Cmd=ShowDetailView&TermToSearch=1548337&ordinalpos=9&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsP anel.Pubmed_RVDocSum

not an study just an article about some study http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/04/110403090259.htm

[John Travolta]

i'll have a proper look for some, theyre referenced in couple books i read. hopefully can find the full studies

but here's a good one-

http://jcem.endojournals.org/content/91/3/987.full.pdf+html

this ones jus an abstract but also confirms

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?Db=pubmed&Cmd=ShowDetailView&TermToSearch=1548337&ordinalpos=9&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsP anel.Pubmed_RVDocSum

not an study just an article about some study http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/04/110403090259.htmSerum GH concentrations are increased in fasted or malnourished human subjects. We investigated the dynamic mechanisms underlying this phenomenon in nine normal men by analyzing serum GH concentrations measured in blood obtained at 5-min intervals over 24 h on a control (fed) day and on the second day of a fast with a multiple-parameter deconvolution method to simultaneously resolve endogenous GH secretory and clearance rates. Two days of fasting induced a 5-fold increase in the 24-h endogenous GH production rate [78 +/- 12 vs. 371 +/- 57 micrograms/Lv (Lv, liter of distribution volume) or 0.24 +/- 0.038 vs. 1.1 +/- 0.16 mg/m2 (assuming a distribution volume of 7.9% body weight), P = 0.0001]. This enhanced GH production rate was accounted for by 2-fold increases in the number of GH secretory bursts per 24 h (14 +/- 2.3 vs. 32 +/- 2.4, P = 0.0006) and the mass of GH secreted per burst (6.3 +/- 1.2 vs. 11 +/- 1.6 micrograms/Lv, P = 0.002). The latter was a result of increased secretory-event amplitudes (maximal rates of GH release attained within a burst) with unchanged secretory burst durations. GH was secreted in complex volleys composed of multiple discrete secretory bursts. These secretory volleys were separated by shorter intervals of secretory quiescence in the fasted than fed state (respectively, 88 +/- 4.2 vs. 143 +/- 14 min, P = 0.0001). Similarly, within volleys of GH release, constituent individual secretory bursts occurred more frequently during the fast [every 33 +/- 0.64 (fasted) vs. every 44 +/- 2.0 min (fed), P = 0.0001]. The t1/2 of endogenous GH was not significantly altered by fasting [18 +/- 2.2 (fasted) vs. 20 +/- 1.5 min (fed), P = 0.47]. Serum insulin-like growth factor I concentrations were unchanged after 56 h of fasting. In conclusion, the present data suggest that starvation-induced enhancement of GH secretion is mediated by an increased frequency of GHRH release, and longer and more pronounced periods of somatostatin withdrawal

insulin-like growth factor 1 (IGF1) is the growth that makes the real difference....it's the best form of growth you can take by a long shot, and costs the most (for good reason). It's also the only type of growth that would make a substantial difference in your body and muscle mass if increased by the amounts it states GHRH is increased, however it remains the same, the rate at which GHRH is increased in both production and pulsing isn't enough to be beneficial. note these studies are on sick people and it even claims the increase is nonsignificant in normal people (the 1st study, cant be bothered to quote) as in just going by the numbers, not the difference it would make to the person and their health

[Shanger]

Serum GH concentrations are increased in fasted or malnourished human subjects. We investigated the dynamic mechanisms underlying this phenomenon in nine normal men by analyzing serum GH concentrations measured in blood obtained at 5-min intervals over 24 h on a control (fed) day and on the second day of a fast with a multiple-parameter deconvolution method to simultaneously resolve endogenous GH secretory and clearance rates. Two days of fasting induced a 5-fold increase in the 24-h endogenous GH production rate [78 +/- 12 vs. 371 +/- 57 micrograms/Lv (Lv, liter of distribution volume) or 0.24 +/- 0.038 vs. 1.1 +/- 0.16 mg/m2 (assuming a distribution volume of 7.9% body weight), P = 0.0001]. This enhanced GH production rate was accounted for by 2-fold increases in the number of GH secretory bursts per 24 h (14 +/- 2.3 vs. 32 +/- 2.4, P = 0.0006) and the mass of GH secreted per burst (6.3 +/- 1.2 vs. 11 +/- 1.6 micrograms/Lv, P = 0.002). The latter was a result of increased secretory-event amplitudes (maximal rates of GH release attained within a burst) with unchanged secretory burst durations. GH was secreted in complex volleys composed of multiple discrete secretory bursts. These secretory volleys were separated by shorter intervals of secretory quiescence in the fasted than fed state (respectively, 88 +/- 4.2 vs. 143 +/- 14 min, P = 0.0001). Similarly, within volleys of GH release, constituent individual secretory bursts occurred more frequently during the fast [every 33 +/- 0.64 (fasted) vs. every 44 +/- 2.0 min (fed), P = 0.0001]. The t1/2 of endogenous GH was not significantly altered by fasting [18 +/- 2.2 (fasted) vs. 20 +/- 1.5 min (fed), P = 0.47]. Serum insulin-like growth factor I concentrations were unchanged after 56 h of fasting. In conclusion, the present data suggest that starvation-induced enhancement of GH secretion is mediated by an increased frequency of GHRH release, and longer and more pronounced periods of somatostatin withdrawal

insulin-like growth factor 1 (IGF1) is the growth that makes the real difference....it's the best form of growth you can take by a long shot, and costs the most (for good reason). It's also the only type of growth that would make a substantial difference in your body and muscle mass if increased by the amounts it states GHRH is increased, however it remains the same, the rate at which GHRH is increased in both production and pulsing isn't enough to be beneficial. note these studies are on sick people and it even claims the increase is nonsignificant in normal people (the 1st study, cant be bothered to quote) as in just going by the numbers, not the difference it would make to the person and their health

fair enough mayne. ur probs right, the GH claims seem too good to be true.

how much GH do bb'ers typically inject (as in how much more than what is naturally produced)?

[StrallyMan]

any1 on here taken Trenavol-V ?? thinking bout gettin 90 capsules sum1 told me 2 get milk thistle if i do??

[John Travolta]

any1 on here taken Trenavol-V ?? thinking bout gettin 90 capsules sum1 told me 2 get milk thistle if i do??

waste of money, all pro hormones are shit apart from s-drol....but even that has some pretty nasty sides (the lethargy is meant to be stupid - to the point you need to take ephedrine just to function properly on it). pro hormones are steroids by the way, so don't think you aren't taking a steroid just because you bought it over the counter. 'Traditional' steroids are alot better than pro hormones in pretty much every aspects results to sides wise especially.

[John Travolta]

fair enough mayne. ur probs right, the GH claims seem too good to be true.

how much GH do bb'ers typically inject (as in how much more than what is naturally produced)?

no pro's have ever revealed their 'true' cycles of anything i don't think...some have released proposed ones but they are laughable when you consider how big they are (more isn't always better past a certain point however some of the cycles revealed by pro's that i've seen, lee priest in particular, are the cycles that a moderate beginner would run). I'd say at a guess they run around 10-20 iu's growth per day, growth doesn't work on your natural growth output like steroids do on your natural test output in that it doesn't shut it down unless you're injecting 5-6 times per day, it's not about the quantity that causes the shut down either more the frequency as GH release is in pulses. The body naturally produces between 1-2 IU per day depending on the person, although not in IU as IU is just a measure you use, not sure about how many mcg. I've looked in to growth a few times but till i'm older I won't bother as it's only real use at an age below 30 is some moderate fat loss and a good nights sleep, need to run it for 6 months plus for any effect on your physique and when you consider it will cost you around £100 every 25 days to run it at a decent level (4 iu p/d split throughout the day) the cost adds up.

[StrallyMan]

waste of money, all pro hormones are shit apart from s-drol....but even that has some pretty nasty sides (the lethargy is meant to be stupid - to the point you need to take ephedrine just to function properly on it). pro hormones are steroids by the way, so don't think you aren't taking a steroid just because you bought it over the counter. 'Traditional' steroids are alot better than pro hormones in pretty much every aspects results to sides wise especially.

really? i got told they had no side effects and if i worked out every other day i could gain up to a stone and a half within 6 weeks lol? sounded 2 good 2 b true

[John Travolta]

really? i got told they had no side effects and if i worked out every other day i could gain up to a stone and a half within 6 weeks lol? sounded 2 good 2 b true

they do have sides, and a 20lb gain in 6 weeks is a joke lol especially for a pro hormone. Nothing can put a stone and a half of muscle on you in 6 weeks, and I mean nothing....paul borreson believed in mega dose short cycles which I believe worked however they were crazy doses of 'proper' steroids (30 day cycles that would probably cost you in excess of £500) he still wouldn't add 20lbs of lean body mass though lol. You could maybe put a stone on, most of which will be water and glycogen, actual muscle mass...not a lot....if you are going to run any pro hormone run superdrol or t-bullets...they seem to be the most effective, however the sides are shit