Bootlegging Websites

[TerrorS]

Something needs to be done about this website. The dickhead that runs it needs some risky treatment imo. Users are encouraged to upload grime which i think is wrong and out of order. Tunes, Mixtapes and DVD's get uploaded on this site everyday and artist can do nothing about it. Loads of people use this site to download grime so i feel if something was done to stop UTZ it would benefit almost every grime artist going. I know its not the only site that uploads
grime but its one of the main ones so getting something done about it would help a lot.

If anyone has any ideas Holla.

[Lemon]

Someone said this too recently.

Is a good idea. As long as it's not gonna start some war between the forums.

[bailey_187]

most leaked instrumentals get leaked on utz frist aswell dont they?
dikheds ruining vinyl releases

[Aza T]

utz is a joke.

been like that for ages

I dunno what can be done about it

but i think someone called Scorpio runs it.

[JACK]

pg stil hasnt stopped so llow movin 2 another forums owner as the previous one is still about

[Hij]

Its also bare illegal, just shows what a joke the internet is in regards to piracy- no one does anything about it.

I thought sites like that got immediately shut down etc?

[Stephan El Shaarawy]

bailey ure obsessed with vinyl i swear..

fourm war!!!

nah the only thing we can do is report links as soon as they come up reli..n dats long

[Demos]

fourm war!!!


i'm on this ting

i'm trigger happy i wanna ban one of these looper motherfuckers
:headshot::sniper::knives::biggun:

[Lemon]

lol :2guns:

[Eric Cantona]

most the links on forums are from rapidshare accounts, report them and you might take down alot more, just mention these are not been for giving out for free, say you are going to take legal action if these links arn't removed

[TerrorS]

A forum war wasnt what i had in mind. I just wonder if anyone using this forum had any ideas. If anyone does, pm me pls

To Bailey: Your so right bruv.

[Hiro Nakagrime]

Something needs to be done about this website. The dickhead that runs it needs some risky treatment imo. Users are encouraged to upload grime which i think is wrong and out of order. Tunes, Mixtapes and DVD's get uploaded on this site everyday and artist can do nothing about it. Loads of people use this site to download grime so i feel if something was done to stop UTZ it would benefit almost every grime artist going. I know its not the only site that uploads
grime but its one of the main ones so getting something done about it would help a lot.

If anyone has any ideas Holla.

If you want to kill the good vibes of this forum yeah go ahead and turn this place in rwd 2008. Just leave it mcs need to increase the workrate and stop putting put <place the internet recordshop here> exclusives

[Aza T]

Nah there won't be a forum war or whatever

I don't even know what happens or how u win one.

But their forum is so pointless. its just like another form of a dc++ hub; with people too stupid to work out dc.

[TerrorS]

If you want to kill the good vibes of this forum yeah go ahead and turn this place in rwd 2008. Just leave it mcs need to increase the workrate and stop putting put <place the internet recordshop here> exclusives

:stunned:WTF!!! Im not trying to kill the vibe bruv, Im not sure how my post could turn this forum into rwd. I just hate that site. Im not asking the whole forum to get involved, it's a personal thing i wanted to see if i could get help with.

Your post was a little OTT imo.

[Lemon]

lol. :par:

How is trying to minimise the bootlegging of the music we all supposedly like, "killing the vibe".

People are free to discuss anything they like to do with Grime in the Grime room. Even though GrimeForum can in no way endorse this. If a topic really is killing the vibe, then i'm sure it'll get the air it deserves.

[Pred]

But their forum is so pointless. its just like another form of a dc++ hub; with people too stupid to work out dc.

I miss DC++, was some cool people in the hubs.

Anyone know what happened to the people like Mischief and his mates who used to hack other hubs (like UTZ, funnily enough) for a laugh?

[whats_the_score?]

But what can you do?!

[ALM]

But what can you do?!

ignore it.

Every scene has this problem.

[whats_the_score?]

ignore it.

Every scene has this problem.

I totally agree.

[TerrorS]

Every scene has this problem.

That's true but grime is so small sites like this really effect it a lot.

Just look at the damage risky was doing on his own!

[Tangelo]

utz is a joke.

been like that for ages

I dunno what can be done about it

but i think someone called Scorpio runs it.

They always take the piss out of you whenever you complain about uploading lool

[Stringer_Bell]

Thats because the owner of the site is dumb.

Theres no mods on there at all now so people can do what they want.

Use to a private room were people traded stuff but it got removed and there was a no uploading grime policy few months back but the owner removed all the mods for some reason.

It just gives the forum a bad name.

Its good some interesting sections like the deep down room which Dimples reads through sometimes aswell..

You also just gave the site loads of free promotion aswell but still.

Nothing can be done about it unless you contact the admin.

Lol @ the goonz calling for a forum war, there the same ones who said that when vip2 tried a forum war with RWD it was over childish

SMH

[Quality Control]

lets find one of their addresses and beat him to death as a warning to the rest of them

[Wiz]

I miss DC++, was some cool people in the hubs.

Anyone know what happened to the people like Mischief and his mates who used to hack other hubs (like UTZ, funnily enough) for a laugh?

lol, DC++ days were jokes, the community vibe was cool, why I don't like torrents and rapidshare forums as much, they're just about upload and "props"

it's funny how bare of the people who used to be a part of the piracy scene are part of the grime scene now

[TerrorS]

You also just gave the site loads of free promotion aswell but still.


I dont think anyone reading this thread is new to what utz do.

[frankD]

Grime needs to sell MP3's legit before they can moan about bootleggers.

I don't even have a cd player so how what use is a cd to me.

I don't download grime tho, I just listen to sets and free mixtapes.


I don't think mp3's will be around that long anyway.

[abass]

/\ i miss DC++ my computer got re-booted an sum of the sets i got off dere will never be found by me again :(

[TerrorS]

Grime needs to sell MP3's legit before they can moan about bootleggers.

Rubbish

[07984]

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL, how everyone is attacking piracy. Seriously, you must see the irony of a bunch of people who will happily jump on pirate dvd's, internet movie downloading, torrents, stuff like sipmson/southpark episodes online and then moan about bootleggers.

Go on, whos gonna be the first to give me the 'Yea but Grimes a poor scene' line?

[Wiz]

I don't think mp3's will be around that long anyway.
why not?

there is nothing matching MP3s right now bar MP4/AAC and they're basically the same technology, mp3 is more compatible with everything right now so it is the reigning format

if not mp3 then what?

[Quality Control]

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL, how everyone is attacking piracy. Seriously, you must see the irony of a bunch of people who will happily jump on pirate dvd's, internet movie downloading, torrents, stuff like sipmson/southpark episodes online and then moan about bootleggers.

Go on, whos gonna be the first to give me the 'Yea but Grimes a poor scene' line?

Yea but Grimes a poor scene

[frankD]

why not?

there is nothing matching MP3s right now bar MP4/AAC and they're basically the same technology, mp3 is more compatible with everything right now so it is the reigning format

if not mp3 then what?

no one is making money.
even my grandma goes on limewire.

people aint gonna make music for free. well maybe they will.

but something has to give.

[frankD]

Rubbish

A fan base and low sales, is better than no fanbase and no sales.

People wont go and buy stuff because they cant get it online, they just wont hear it or buy it.

T2 - Heartbroken, everyone had that on thier phones for months and it did really well when it came out.

I think people just like the comfort of an excuse.

[Retrofreak]

The bottom line is..

The more we rip off the artists, the more they'll run to other genre's or llow music altogether from lack of P ..

We expect them to bust balls and up the levels with ever release just so we can down load it for free??

[TerrorS]

A fan base and low sales, is better than no fanbase and no sales.

People wont go and buy stuff because they cant get it online, they just wont hear it or buy it.

T2 - Heartbroken, everyone had that on thier phones for months and it did really well when it came out.

I think people just like the comfort of an excuse.

So Utz and sites like it dont effect the sales of grime??

[Wiz]

Don't compare one scene to another, bassline and grime are two different things, if you want to make a point comparing one persons sales to another you need to use less variables between them.

[frankD]

The bottom line is..

The more we rip off the artists, the more they'll run to other genre's or llow music altogether from lack of P ..

We expect them to bust balls and up the levels with ever release just so we can down load it for free??

What genre is exempt from bootleggers then?

If they ain't making P's then they must be doing something wrong.

[Retrofreak]

A fan base and low sales, is better than no fanbase and no sales.

People wont go and buy stuff because they cant get it online, they just wont hear it or buy it.

T2 - Heartbroken, everyone had that on thier phones for months and it did really well when it came out.

I think people just like the comfort of an excuse.

There was a healthy club scene supporting "Heart broken"
Clubs are non existent in Grime..
It's becoming an internet culture that needs to be payed for as we are trading with a floored currency (MP3)

[Lemon]

Grime needs to sell MP3's legit before they can moan about bootleggers.

I don't even have a cd player so how what use is a cd to me.

I don't download grime tho, I just listen to sets and free mixtapes.


I don't think mp3's will be around that long anyway.

Whats gonna replace Mp3 any time soon??

Skepta sold his on Mp3 first and that then got bootlegged before anyone could buy the CD.

[Aza T]

They always take the piss out of you whenever you complain about uploading lool

Show me bruv

Them users worship K-Lee and Owen.

Owen is just a normal guy like me, hes on my msn list, i ask him about pcs.

K-Lee is any Risky Rebore, cept shes more on the exclusives.

and Yeah, retrofreak hit the nail on the head.

Invest in the music that you love otherwise it won't be around.

[Stephan El Shaarawy]

u make good music, people buy it. its the same in every genre. bitc was up for download too alie? how many sales did that get? cus it was good music

[frankD]

So Utz and sites like it dont effect the sales of grime??

I don't know for sure how to calculate % wise downloads to sales.

But real grime fans do buy grime and support the scene. I have bought 2 grime mixtapes of itunes this week.

[frankD]

Don't compare one scene to another, bassline and grime are two different things, if you want to make a point comparing one persons sales to another you need to use less variables between them.

Its an underground act who has come up from nowhere.

Its a better comparison than say paul potts and durty goodz.

[TerrorS]

What genre is exempt from bootleggers then?

If they ain't making P's then they must be doing something wrong.

Your views are nutz, do you even like grime?

[Wiz]

fair enough, the bad thing is, statistics in the UK music scene aren't as publicised as in USA so it's hard to compare really, just word of mouth

personally I'd say Sway would be a better comparison

[Jay05]

i aint gonna lie, i used 2 buy more mixtapes b4 i found PG. but i still buy now when i like a dl, or if the artist does a lot on radio i buy it to support.

Most other scenes have more raves / concerts and merchandise to support itself.

If i was an artist making 10 grand a year i would almost certainly not do grime and work.

Also the artist do have jobs have far lower work rates ( that i know of).


I dont know why artist who give away free downloads dont have a donation option or limited edtion cd's

[Retrofreak]

u make good music, people buy it. its the same in every genre. bitc was up for download too alie? how many sales did that get? cus it was good music

I hear what your saying ,but I don't think that's totally accurate.

BITC was at a time when downloading wasn't so prevalent and there was a healthy club scene to break the record in the first place.
The mecury helped Dizzee big time, without it I don't think he would have broke into the mainstream so quickly imo.

The future of independent music is touring, shows etc.
But if Raves keep getting locked and fans don't buy the material the scene will eventually implode imo.

[frankD]

Your views are nutz, do you even like grime?

Im a fan of grime music and a producer and I would like to make money.

You have invested intrested in making more money for OT?

[TerrorS]

Im a fan of grime music and a producer and I would like to make money.

You have invested intrested in making more money for OT?

Not just O.T.

[Jay05]

I hear what your saying ,but I don't think that's totally accurate.
The mecury helped Dizzee big time, without it I don't think he would have broke into the mainstream so quickly imo..

I remember seeing a sales chart of dizzee album before andd after the Mercury.

I think his sales nearly trebbled if not more

[frankD]

Not just O.T.

If its honestly that case then cool.

UTZ has always been a shit site anyway full of fickle fans.
A lot of people on that forum dont have respect for the genre like this forum does, they dont seem the people to buy music thats all.

I do buy the music I like regarless of genre.

You should release that from the bottom of the top in shape or form i played it to loads of people who dont even like grime and they are feeling it.

[frankD]

By the way im not probootlegging.


I can understand people are pissed off when there stuff gets uploaded.

I just don't think there is away to take the law into our own hands on this situation.
Maybe first step would be to speak to the guy who owns it and see if he can help.

['nuum general]

people keep saying that raves aren't happening cos they get locked, but when was the last grime rave that was shut down? Its just an excuse

[Danny Trejo]

Raves are picking up again anyway, we do need a regular weekly one or something though.

[[Mr_SnoWman]]

westwood

stop pressin that button lol


hes so joke

shit wrong topic

my bad

[TerrorS]

By the way im not probootlegging.


I can understand people are pissed off when there stuff gets uploaded.

I just don't think there is away to take the law into our own hands on this situation.
Maybe first step would be to speak to the guy who owns it and see if he can help.

I've tried that before, hes a total dick.

[frankD]

I've tried that before, hes a total dick.

maybe you could report the site somehow.

I'd just leave it tho tbh.

[Llelo]

To be honest you can't ever really get these people to stop unless you make them believe there are gonna be serious consequences to they're actions.

For example, if that Risky guy had gone onto Heat back in the day to talk about bootlegging, he would of been in problems i guarantee.

They don't care if they're eating off guys plates and they dont understand/care that the scene will eventually die if they dont stop it so theyre never gonna stop.

[Demos]

K-Lee is any Risky Rebore

parred his life nicely

[Tangelo]

iDownload...

And not one of the mixtapes/albums ive downloaded would have been worth my money

say something

[G.K.]

If u live outside the UK, in fact sometimes if u live outside London, downloading is sometimes the only way to keep up with the scene. I physically own almost all my favorite mixtapes and i every proper album that has come out of this scene but then there is alot of mixtapes i downloaded, didn't lyk, and deleted or just sit in my PC, I can't afford to keep buying, and before the internet we used to tape it or buy bootleg copies from market anyway.. who here remembers having tapes of copied music in a box? I think i still have under my bed or something.

[Ohhhkay]

u lot r high tunes bein up for download is a gd thing

you'll get more known

mixtapes n stuff arent gonna get u money n e way


you get known (From people downloadin ur stuff)

den u get booked cause uve been noticed
den money starts rollin in

[Stephan El Shaarawy]

its true i buy alot of the mixtapes allow goin tempest like a week after it came out and them still not havein it so i would download. most of the time if its there 2 buy, i buy

[Hij]

The bottom line is..

The more we rip off the artists, the more they'll run to other genre's or llow music altogether from lack of P ..

We expect them to bust balls and up the levels with ever release just so we can down load it for free??

Real talk.


To be honest you can't ever really get these people to stop unless you make them believe there are gonna be serious consequences to they're actions.

For example, if that Risky guy had gone onto Heat back in the day to talk about bootlegging, he would of been in problems i guarantee.

They don't care if they're eating off guys plates and they dont understand/care that the scene will eventually die if they dont stop it so theyre never gonna stop.

More real talk.

[Wiz]

lol @ going onto Heat and talking about bootleggin, guy would get terrorized, I've heard stories about on them Heat sets with bare people in how man would pass the mic because next man had a shank ready lol

[Jay05]

u lot r high tunes bein up for download is a gd thing

you'll get more known

mixtapes n stuff arent gonna get u money n e way


you get known (From people downloadin ur stuff)

den u get booked cause uve been noticed
den money starts rollin in

It is the artists choice to up it for download

can you really expect people to commit to grime when no1 buys there cd so they dont get paid.

Also going to radio is promotion and that is available for free.

[Hiro Nakagrime]

Im a fan of grime music and a producer and I would like to make money.

You have invested intrested in making more money for OT?

lol

[topcat]

here's another one, if we're trying to get them removed or something
it's really annoying when i go out and buy a new cd and then come home and all my mates have already got it because they downloaded it
:angry:
grimemixtapes.blogspot.com/2007_08_01_archive

[stef]

lol

when will u ppl learn

u cant stop bootleggin

n utz is hardly a main culprit....its like 1 geeza who dloads from ova sites n then uploads on his RS accounts 2 get points

i swear i seen some1 playin a scorcher track with the words (mix.cd) in the track name anyway

if u ppl r really that bothered.......then i suggest u sort ur priorities out

[Hij]

lol

when will u ppl learn

u cant stop bootleggin

n utz is hardly a main culprit....its like 1 geeza who dloads from ova sites n then uploads on his RS accounts 2 get points

i swear i seen some1 playin a scorcher track with the words (mix.cd) in the track name anyway

if u ppl r really that bothered.......then i suggest u sort ur priorities out

Im guessing your connected to these sites seeing as your first post is in this thread.

What do rapid share points give you exactly other than E-Status and the ability to download a bit faster yourself?

And I think we realise that you can never stop bootlegging, but probably a bit disappointed that its this easy to do it at the moment.

[stef]

yh ive been a member on utz from when grime was actually worth listenin to

but tbh if u wana dload some new grime utz ent the place 2 go

n yh i agree with u.....the whole rush to get RS points thing is pathetic......seems like a few ppl started off the craze n all of a sudden every1s doin it

if i'm gona be honest i found grime much much much easier 2 dload a few yrs back.....when there were smaller sly forums that ppl in this thread used 2 be members of.......back when aza t used 2 upload

[Hij]

yh ive been a member on utz from when grime was actually worth listenin to

but tbh if u wana dload some new grime utz ent the place 2 go

n yh i agree with u.....the whole rush to get RS points thing is pathetic......seems like a few ppl started off the craze n all of a sudden every1s doin it

if i'm gona be honest i found grime much much much easier 2 dload a few yrs back.....when there were smaller sly forums that ppl in this thread used 2 be members of.......back when aza t used 2 upload

To be honest, it has to be worth appealing to Risky to shut down his forum. I know he likes it because its successful and it has a userbase, but all PG does is ruin the scene. The fact he's stopped uploading doesn't actually change much.

I know another one would soon pop up but at least someone is going actually have to splash cash to get one going.

[JACK]

yh ive been a member on utz from when grime was actually worth listenin to

but tbh if u wana dload some new grime utz ent the place 2 go

n yh i agree with u.....the whole rush to get RS points thing is pathetic......seems like a few ppl started off the craze n all of a sudden every1s doin it

if i'm gona be honest i found grime much much much easier 2 dload a few yrs back.....when there were smaller sly forums that ppl in this thread used 2 be members of.......back when aza t used 2 upload

@ 2nd line - if grime on utz ent worth downloadin bcos its not new enuff, u must be on the trade ting with leaker djs and ppl who deal with leaker djs, and dats wrong bcos u said grime aint worth listenin to?!

@ 3rd line - real talk, the circle is pathetic, man are uploadin to get points to be able to upload more? lol sad youts dese days

dem sly forums bk in the day were better for both sides, ppl actually had newer stuff and artists pockets wasnt dat much damaged neither

[stef]

lol

then wot would risky do with his life?

but yh.....wot i normally find with these anti-bootleggin protesters is that they r hypocrites......n they're sharin music with each other on msn while comin on forums on their high horse tellin ppl how wrong bootleggin is

cough



akka

[JACK]

lol

[Ari Gold]

at the end of the day, you all know your kidding yourselves if you think poor sales are down to downloads. maybe a TINY portion. but most people who download will just go without rather than buy.

artists need to stop using download sites as scapegoats for low sales. theres more places you can download than you can buy (and theres only about 5 download sites) - theres your problem.

[stef]

@ 2nd line - if grime on utz ent worth downloadin bcos its not new enuff, u must be on the trade ting with leaker djs and ppl who deal with leaker djs, and dats wrong bcos u said grime aint worth listenin to?!


i was on the msn tradin thing years ago......i'm too old/ lazy for that shit now

compared to my younger years i barely listen 2 grime nowadays

i understand wot ur sayin but i cant be arsed 2 explain myself......i jus kno from the few net geezas i hav left on my msn.....that utz isn't gettin the "exclusives"

[hyperfrank]

at the end of the day, you all know your kidding yourselves if you think poor sales are down to downloads. maybe a TINY portion. but most people who download will just go without rather than buy.

artists need to stop using download sites as scapegoats for low sales. theres more places you can download than you can buy (and theres only about 5 download sites) - theres your problem.

It doesn't help with the whole EXCLUSIVE business either the odd one here and there is kool but I think that is a par and half....

UKRS.... STILL WAITING.

[Hij]

at the end of the day, you all know your kidding yourselves if you think poor sales are down to downloads. maybe a TINY portion. but most people who download will just go without rather than buy..
I agree.

But once someone has referred you to ********* or UTZ your pretty much sorted for downloads as long as those sites exist.

When it was all DC++ and shit, there was at least a little bit of work involved in downloading tunes and finding out how to get them. DC++ had to be downloaded, then you had to join a hub or whatever etc.

Now just go to a forum, make 50 posts and your set- every cd that comes out of the scene is yours.

[Hij]

It doesn't help with the whole EXCLUSIVE business either the odd one here and there is kool but I think that is a par and half....

UKRS.... STILL WAITING.

Well your a journo, do a blog on their poor service and let people know, suggest alternative websites to buy griem, different places to go. I mean granted, they may not have all the exclusives that UKRS do, but any P directed away from UKRS is a start.

UKRS is one of the bigger cancers of this scene at the moment.

Where is Speedo's at with his download website, he needs support and work to help him expand that and we need to start publicising cds on Blogspots/GrimeForum/GrimeGenre/OTRecordings with links that go to Uptown Records instead of UKRS.

Once I get my deal in place with Jenai, Ill be swapping all the UKRS links on the Grimepedia for Uptown ones where possible.

[HypeKidd]

I live in Essex so i have the trouble of going for a whole day out just to bring home a mixtape or two from the city... It's shit! So i have to spend take 40 quid just to go for a full day out and bring home one 10 quid mixtape. But you know what, if i think it's going to take ages to find all them tunes or i actually have nothing to do on a day then i still do it. You fuckers in london have no excuse...

[stef]

I live in Essex so i have the trouble of going for a whole day out just to bring home a mixtape or two from the city... It's shit! So i have to spend take 40 quid just to go for a full day out and bring home one 10 quid mixtape. But you know what, if i think it's going to take ages to find all them tunes or i actually have nothing to do on a day then i still do it. You fuckers in london have no excuse...

bit of a swag excuse really

u hav the internet ennit

i liv in west midlands....but they sell most things in brum anyway

i dont kno why ppl ent jus honest.......like me.......i dload music cos im a stingy cunt n i couldnt giv 2 shits about the grime scene

[hyperfrank]

I live in Essex so i have the trouble of going for a whole day out just to bring home a mixtape or two from the city... It's shit! So i have to spend take 40 quid just to go for a full day out and bring home one 10 quid mixtape. But you know what, if i think it's going to take ages to find all them tunes or i actually have nothing to do on a day then i still do it. You fuckers in london have no excuse...

ESSEX LOLOLOL COME ON.... theres no excuse!
I get emails from people in Brazil, Ghana and New York who have NOOOOO access to the music. Unless they pay about £20 or something stupidddddd for p&p.

[Hij]

I live in Essex so i have the trouble of going for a whole day out just to bring home a mixtape or two from the city... It's shit! So i have to spend take 40 quid just to go for a full day out and bring home one 10 quid mixtape. But you know what, if i think it's going to take ages to find all them tunes or i actually have nothing to do on a day then i still do it. You fuckers in london have no excuse...

I live a half an hour train ride from London.
I buy all my cd's on the internet.

Your also the same guy who voted Westwood as better than Maximum on a Sunday lol

[David]

There isnt a propper way of stopping it unless Artists do some copyright things in court or something like that.

[Lemon]

ESSEX LOLOLOL COME ON.... theres no excuse!
I get emails from people in Brazil, Ghana and New York who have NOOOOO access to the music. Unless they pay about £20 or something stupidddddd for p&p.

Yeah people abroad get done out of stupid money by places like UKRS. Where postage costs them more than the CD

[MangoMan]

Yeah people abroad get done out of stupid money by places like UKRS. Where postage costs them more than the CD

is there any shop with cheaper postage costs ?

[Lemon]

is there any shop with cheaper postage costs ?

I think Avlanche said when they started, if you email them before you order. And you live abroad, then they'll write PRESENT on it, so the customer avoids paying tax when it comes into their country.

[MangoMan]

I think Avlanche said when they started, if you email them before you order. And you live abroad, then they'll write PRESENT on it, so the customer avoids paying tax when it comes into their country.

sounds big
I will try it out

[Quality Control]

bit of a swag excuse really

u hav the internet ennit

i liv in west midlands....but they sell most things in brum anyway

i dont kno why ppl ent jus honest.......like me.......i dload music cos im a stingy cunt n i couldnt giv 2 shits about the grime scene

lol you're sick

[bailey_187]

the not in london excuse is stupid.

i buy about half my grime from london but if u have internet to download you have internet to buy online

[Aza T]

No sendage to akka, but in part, i agree with Steff,

Bare people say a lot about bootlegging, how bad it is, how its damaging the scene, but you can still see them on msn do them kind of antics. I dunno about Akka, what he does atm, but if he does do stuff, it aint just him on his own.

In addition, theres the DJs that do all the leaking. How can producers say to people "the only people i can trust with my tunes are ______ , ________ and ________. There should be a whole list of DJs, and instead, they can't even trust over 5.

Then you have the people that want to be established producers or MCs, that really, when it comes down to it, will download everyones mixtape. If people that love wileys music wont even buy the cd, how do these up n coming artists expect to make p from music. You can even tell them that, it still aint gonna change. They might go "yeah its fucked, ill start buying my music from now on" and you will see them on msn couple days later with some next bootleg playing, or "who has the new ____ mixtape for me?"

So it aint just fans of the music, its the people involved, and the people that want to be involved more that are bootlegging.

I don't think there is a cure to get rid of downloads in grime, but what i do know is, you take out a forum like UTZ, a lot of guys will be lost for a month or two as to how to get music. Then when someone who wants some more efame steps out and makes another similar website, that can build up, get taken out again and they are back to square one. If this keeps on happening, more and more these efame beggers are jsut gonna give up n the number of downloads on forums will decline.

Dunno about msn stuff though, theres always gonna b that. But how long isit to send an 80mb rar file through msn to just one person, let alone bare people

[JACK]

Then you have the people that want to be established producers or MCs, that really, when it comes down to it, will download everyones mixtape. If people that love wileys music wont even buy the cd, how do these up n coming artists expect to make p from music. You can even tell them that, it still aint gonna change. They might go "yeah its fucked, ill start buying my music from now on" and you will see them on msn couple days later with some next bootleg playing, or "who has the new ____ mixtape for me?"

the thing wiv dem certian up'n'comers is
they wanna make p SO they make music
instead of
they wanna make music AND they make p

and msn ting wont b stopped ever, its jus the sites n forums.

be honest if dere was no forums to possibly leak a "exclusive" on a large scale, producers shudnt be worried and cancel its release bcos of 15 ppl in a msn tune sending circle dat hav it.

grimes big problem = forums and sites dat allow thousands ppl 2 access music for free

not even a little problem of grime, and jus a little problem for the producer which dj is trustful (10 minutes work and even dis problem doesnt exist) = circles dat trade tunes

someone shud find dem site owners and get frisco or whoever else and the problems fixed quick, i swear its the same ppl dat run those sites?! its just changin domains addresses and shit

[Aza T]

the thing wiv dem certian up'n'comers is
they wanna make p SO they make music
instead of
they wanna make music AND they make p

and msn ting wont b stopped ever, its jus the sites n forums.

be honest if dere was no forums to possibly leak a "exclusive" on a large scale, producers shudnt be worried and cancel its release bcos of 15 ppl in a msn tune sending circle dat hav it.

grimes big problem = forums and sites dat allow thousands ppl 2 access music for free

not even a little problem of grime, and jus a little problem for the producer which dj is trustful (10 minutes work and even dis problem doesnt exist) = circles dat trade tunes

someone shud find dem site owners and get frisco or whoever else and the problems fixed quick, i swear its the same ppl dat run those sites?! its just changin domains addresses and shit

Forums do the most damage ur not wrong.

But in saying that, actually, say a tune gets leaked to a few guys, from a dj or whatever that the producer thought they could trust, then the tune spreads to their circle, give it a week and it spreads to another circle from each person that has that tune, n then another week and all of them will spread it to their circle.

5 people giving out a tune to five people they know - 25. 25 people giving it out just to a couple of people they know stil makes 50/75 atleast, n that would jsut be in the first 2/3 weeks of the tune leaking. And then by the time that many people have it, it gets uploaded onto a forum for thousands to download and send around etc.

[Bluntwun]

That's true but grime is so small sites like this really effect it a lot.

Just look at the damage risky was doing on his own!

Risky didnt do it on his own bare other hedz up shit too... to be honest i wouldnt have heard of a lot of peeps if it werent for PG and others...

i wouldnt have bought cd's and gone to shows if i didnt know these guys so in a way it helps GROW the scene

[JACK]

Forums do the most damage ur not wrong.

But in saying that, actually, say a tune gets leaked to a few guys, from a dj or whatever that the producer thought they could trust, then the tune spreads to their circle, give it a week and it spreads to another circle from each person that has that tune, n then another week and all of them will spread it to their circle.

5 people giving out a tune to five people they know - 25. 25 people giving it out just to a couple of people they know stil makes 50/75 atleast, n that would jsut be in the first 2/3 weeks of the tune leaking. And then by the time that many people have it, it gets uploaded onto a forum for thousands to download and send around etc.

true say dats still damage, on a smaller scale + artist actually has the chance to find out who the leaker is and can take the appropriate measures against him

['nuum general]

true say dats still damage, on a smaller scale + artist actually has the chance to find out who the leaker is and can take the appropriate measures against him

producers should bait up the djs (& MCs) that leak

[JACK]

producers should bait up the djs (& MCs) that leak

dats wot i meant

+ eventual payback if the artist feels like it

[TRU_G]

Nah what needs to happen is that an artist sneakily watermarks/puts a sample on 15 different versions of his tune then puts them in a shop offering 4 week online exclusive (with co-operation from the shop) and get the shop to log down everyone who buys each copy (this should be done as its online)

Then you have to wait till your tune gets ripped by a group (UKP or w/e) then download it and find out what copy it was that was ripped.

Find out from the shop who bought that copy and you should have all his contact/credit card details and bring down/infiltrate/report the group, if it don't work, claim back all your money lost via his credit card details

I can't see why a shop would object seeing as they lose sales because of these cunts

Just need someone with the funds/mean/balls to do it

Is this a good idea no? Or am I more high than i previous thought

[SCP]

the not in london excuse is stupid.

i buy about half my grime from london but if u have internet to download you have internet to buy online

true dat
il admit it is hard to keep up with grime releases where i live e.g. i found out about Holla Black 6 months after its release - my local independent record shop is full of bassline/funky house, and HMV/Virgin only have the bait releases which i always buy (Playtime is Over, Back to Biznizz, Greatest Hits etc.) so d/l'ing bootlegs has been tempting @ times but iv bought mixtapes wen im not that skint
still, big up da youngers 4 da free releases

[ALM]

Nah what needs to happen is that an artist sneakily watermarks/puts a sample on 15 different versions of his tune then puts them in a shop offering 4 week online exclusive (with co-operation from the shop) and get the shop to log down everyone who buys each copy (this should be done as its online)

Then you have to wait till your tune gets ripped by a group (UKP or w/e) then download it and find out what copy it was that was ripped.

Find out from the shop who bought that copy and you should have all his contact/credit card details and bring down/infiltrate/report the group, if it don't work, claim back all your money lost via his credit card details

I can't see why a shop would object seeing as they lose sales because of these cunts

Just need someone with the funds/mean/balls to do it

Is this a good idea no? Or am I more high than i previous thought

Is that not entrapment?

[Jay05]

Is that not entrapment?

th easier way is send out ur tune to a few dj's with different watermarks and then u get the same result.

[TRU_G]

Probably

Also hang tight the Hastings Town Zavvi, they don't even have vinyl section or a record shop in the whole town, but I have still seen Soulfood Vol.1 and Dubstep Drama on their shelves

[bailey_187]

Probably

Also hang tight the Hastings Town Zavvi, they don't even have vinyl section or a record shop in the whole town, but I have still seen Soulfood Vol.1 and Dubstep Drama on their shelves

go to brighton(its close isnt it?), they have few decent record shops still.

[Pred]

If the mixtapes were widely available for decent prices in shops like HMV where we could all get hold of them, then we could listen to samples and then download. But as the scene is, it's a very hungry scene and as soon as a tune hits radio it's online, then 1 week after it's out as a CDQ and you have it. Then artists put out mixtapes that aren't of high standard.

If you want to put out something that won't be ripped and uploaded don't send out any tunes...be secretive...it's your money involved here, why risk it with anyone?

[Quite a character]

big producers dnt need to send tunes to djs

if wiley/terror danjah/dva etc etc released an ep of 4-6 unheard tunes it wd sell. fact.

[MedellinManDem]

Forget chasing bootleggers.

[BG1]

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL, how everyone is attacking piracy. Seriously, you must see the irony of a bunch of people who will happily jump on pirate dvd's, internet movie downloading, torrents, stuff like sipmson/southpark episodes online and then moan about bootleggers.

Go on, whos gonna be the first to give me the 'Yea but Grimes a poor scene' line?
PIPED

[Saadi Yacef]

Its also bare illegal, just shows what a joke the internet is in regards to piracy- no one does anything about it.

I thought sites like that got immediately shut down etc?

lol

nobody cares about grime artists , tell them to up their levels and get signed , u think any of them people who get caught and fined etc. were fined for downloading grime ?

[Pristine Condition]

Them users worship K-Lee and Owen.


dickhead ting, seein as ur properly a person who d/ls off the site.

we do not worship dese two. der like any normal person like me, u and the person who posted above me.

dese two dont even upload stuff on the site anymore, If they do, its bcoz it has been leaked already. lol @ finkin UTZ is the main problem.

Torrents are the main problem and the people who actually work for UKRS and other site that sells grime. people who work for dem rip mixtapes and upload dem for other people, who upload demselves 4 da RS points.

Do really fink owen or klee, knows every mc in the scene, who release mixtapes.

I have remembered a quite of ppl on here, who was on lushforum and used to b da 1st ppl 2 say safe wen sumfing got upped.

If u try and ban UTZ, another site will formed. it happen wen lush got taken down. y dont u try bannin msn aswell *e-rolls eyes*

If producers stopped givin der stuff 2 random headz, "exclusive" instrumentals will not b about 2 get leaked.