Grime is dead...

[MouthOfTheSouth]

... As a rave music. Radio will be next to go, in the form it is currently. You'll see more shows like Logan & Westwood, in the style of the American hip-hop DJ's shows. We won't see no more regular spraying for 2 hours on the FM dial tho.

If things are handled correctly, then this will become the UK's hip-hop. I think thats cool and hopefully the talented artists can make a good living off that. As a fan & ex-raver I'm disappointed tho... If you ever experienced People's Choice @ Sanctuary when Dizzee won Best Newcomer, Flowdan tearing down the Rex or D Double bringing Eskimo Dance to a complete standstill with 2 words then you know what im saying. If you never experienced them things, thats a shame but carry on enjoying what those seeds created.

To me tho, that's what grime was, mad raw energy... That's gone now really.

[Joe]

[quote]Grime is dead...

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[Stephan El Shaarawy]

Grime is not dead, it's hibernateing, there's too much anger on roads for grime to die yet

[L1ONE]

This Fad Was Soooo 2007

[D*evil*s]

This Fad Was Soooo 2007

lol

tru.....

grime aint dead........ sertain aspecs of the scene is but u can say the same 4 hip hop in america......

[Carter]

The Grime culture is dead, the days of Deja Vu, Rinse, Young Man Standing, Siderwinder are long gone and now we are left with a watered down version........ nobody was brave or talented enough to make grime for the masses so it stayed underground and people moved on.

You can see when Ghetto is preforming at Westwood's rave, the crowd just gave him air..........

[jp88]

Grime is far from dead its just going down different routes, everyone has to eat.

The guys that have a love for the music you will see them bring out more mixtapes doing live sets on youtube etc etc, obviously the ones that have fogotten thier passion and are just in it for the money we can spot a mile away.

The raves are doing alot, you have to look for them DC aint dead, ChockABlock is here, WOW will be back soon same as sidewinder.

Be patient starrrrr! ;)

[Joe]

The Grime culture is dead, the days of Deja Vu, Rinse, Young Man Standing, Siderwinder are long gone and now we are left with a watered down version........ nobody was brave or talented enough to make grime for the masses so it stayed underground and people moved on.

You can see when Ghetto is preforming at Westwood's rave, the crowd just gave him air..........

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[Grimes]

what is grime

[JACK]

The raves are doing alot, you have to look for them DC aint dead, ChockABlock is here, WOW will be back soon same as sidewinder.

you should feel ashamed for even comparing that

grime raves then = dubstep raves = straight sickness, coming for the music

grime raves now = funky house raves = "fashionism", coming for gash

[Danny Trejo]

motherfuckers got soft

[Carter]

I blame 679, Channel U and RWD

[Danny Trejo]

dan stacey can't tell me about running the roads

[JACK]

dan stacey can't tell me about running the roads

LOL init someone really should encourage chronik then

[G.K.]

I blame 679, Channel U and RWD

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[ALM]

you should feel ashamed for even comparing that

grime raves then = dubstep raves = straight sickness, coming for the music

grime raves now = funky house raves = "fashionism", coming for gash

sidewinder london will be sick if it happens.

[Joe]

the only person who can save it, is the person who created it........

[Carter]

the only person who can save it, is the person who created it........

He can't even save his own crew

[unkle]

He can't even save his own crew

Would you want to?....I know I wouldn't....lol..

[Joe]

their still technicaly ''alive'' though

[S.I.K. Productions]

O my dayz how is grime dead, it will neva die, even if we dnt go mainstream have you seen how many yungahs out ther are still makin and sprayin on beatz, ye sme of them are whack bt its ten times mre alive thn hip hop, the love is still ther, its way mre alive thn when it started. Grime is dead, what are you man on.

[unkle]

Here comes the standard banter.....

[unkle]

their still technicaly ''alive'' though

Has never been the same though...

[Pristine Condition]

If you think grime is dead, move on, find something else. Don't come onto here moaning about it.... im sick and tired of the same old threads. If Logan, didn't drop this last year, no one would be analysing things.

[RIP Jakey]

He never said 'Grime is Dead' he said its dead as rave/dance music which for the most part is. When Rossi B and Luca tore down Chockablock a few months ago what did they play? OLD grime and dubstep. When ghetto and his mates came on a little while later what happened? vibes stopped every1 crouded round the stage stopped skanking and decided to love ghetto so much they couldn't take their eyes off him and wanted to reach out and touch him.

[s.m]

how can grime be ded if manz lyk kano wiley ghetto skepta wretch 32 chipmunk r all putin the work in n hav got albums droppin..if nefing grime is slowly startin to become more noticed n has got more chance of hitin the charts.

[Pristine Condition]

He never said 'Grime is Dead' he said its dead as rave/dance music which for the most part is. When Rossi B and Luca tore down Chockablock a few months ago what did they play? OLD grime and dubstep. When ghetto and his mates came on a little while later what happened? vibes stopped every1 crouded round the stage stopped skanking and decided to love ghetto so much they couldn't take their eyes off him and wanted to reach out and touch him.

I see what your saying, I was there @ Chockablock, that is when the vibez did feel back, when Rossi B and Luca was on!!!

I properly got put off by most peoples comments and did not focus on the thread starter.

[adidasgrandad]

... As a rave music. Radio will be next to go, in the form it is currently. You'll see more shows like Logan & Westwood, in the style of the American hip-hop DJ's shows. We won't see no more regular spraying for 2 hours on the FM dial tho.

If things are handled correctly, then this will become the UK's hip-hop. I think thats cool and hopefully the talented artists can make a good living off that. As a fan & ex-raver I'm disappointed tho... If you ever experienced People's Choice @ Sanctuary when Dizzee won Best Newcomer, Flowdan tearing down the Rex or D Double bringing Eskimo Dance to a complete standstill with 2 words then you know what im saying. If you never experienced them things, thats a shame but carry on enjoying what those seeds created.

To me tho, that's what grime was, mad raw energy... That's gone now really.

He speaks truth still. It aint dead in the way that it doesnt exist, but in the sense that its culture is dying.

The scenes changing although that pirate element will always exist, no matter how small, as any major sound has to have an underground which provides a basis.

[Grimes]

grime is now grip hop . most emcees are really superstar rappers

[jp88]

He never said 'Grime is Dead' he said its dead as rave/dance music which for the most part is. When Rossi B and Luca tore down Chockablock a few months ago what did they play? OLD grime and dubstep. When ghetto and his mates came on a little while later what happened? vibes stopped every1 crouded round the stage stopped skanking and decided to love ghetto so much they couldn't take their eyes off him and wanted to reach out and touch him.



Reaaaaaaaaaaaallly? I cant remember that

['nuum general]

I can't think of a cliche that hasn't already been used so i won't bother

[DJ Mad Vybez]

... As a rave music. Radio will be next to go, in the form it is currently. You'll see more shows like Logan & Westwood, in the style of the American hip-hop DJ's shows. We won't see no more regular spraying for 2 hours on the FM dial tho.

If things are handled correctly, then this will become the UK's hip-hop. I think thats cool and hopefully the talented artists can make a good living off that. As a fan & ex-raver I'm disappointed tho... If you ever experienced People's Choice @ Sanctuary when Dizzee won Best Newcomer, Flowdan tearing down the Rex or D Double bringing Eskimo Dance to a complete standstill with 2 words then you know what im saying. If you never experienced them things, thats a shame but carry on enjoying what those seeds created.

To me tho, that's what grime was, mad raw energy... That's gone now really.



The Grime culture is dead, the days of Deja Vu, Rinse, Young Man Standing, Siderwinder are long gone and now we are left with a watered down version........ nobody was brave or talented enough to make grime for the masses so it stayed underground and people moved on.

You can see when Ghetto is preforming at Westwood's rave, the crowd just gave him air..........


I agree for me grime and its live rave appeal guys spitting bars getting hype in a rave are main factors of grime that have gone out of the window and now it is down the hip hop route


but boy that is evolution i guess

[RIP Jakey]

Reaaaaaaaaaaaallly? I cant remember that

yeah everyone just crowded round him and it was just his bars, it was still good but no-one was skanking anymore just watching them
Rossi B & Luca>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>The MC sets

[Carter]

If you read any stories about Grime back in the day, the main things they spoke about was the raves, pirate radio and unique production, without that its hip hop or pop

[S.I.K. Productions]

nar nt relli, jst cuz ther rnt as much raves, dnt mean tht its ded, if its jst ravin mite as well b dnce music, lyk we cnt have evry tune bein lyk skepta's duppy even tho tht wz big u kno wt i meen, know i tink its mre lyrical content thn nefin, which hip hop isnt, hip hop is mre jst sellin records, and one last thing, i thort the main element of grime culture wsnt the skankin bt the clashin as basically evry MC has grown up on clashin:-S

[DJ Mad Vybez]

I am not being rude but I doubt very much you have ever reached a grime rave after reading what you wrote

[Alfie]

O my dayz how is grime dead, it will neva die, even if we dnt go mainstream have you seen how many yungahs out ther are still makin and sprayin on beatz, ye sme of them are whack bt its ten times mre alive thn hip hop, the love is still ther, its way mre alive thn when it started. Grime is dead, what are you man on.

And it sells 10 times as much as hip-hop.

[Grimes]

emcees might as well try to get 5 mics in the source

[G-dub]

Do u think Grime has hit its peak, and theres nowhere for it to go?

N people have just got bored of it.

It started as hip hop did, but hip hop went on to become mainstream.

Grime is just stuck in the underground.

Alot of the old grime fans are jumping onto, Electro, Dubstep, Bassline etc.

I think people just get fed up that grime aint gettin anywhere.

[RIP Jakey]

I am not being rude but I doubt very much you have ever reached a grime rave after reading what you wrote

Some people don't get grime/music in general, too many people it's just something you play on your phone.

When you experience the right kinda music in the right kinda environment it can be the best experience of your life.

[G-dub]

I just think everything evolves over the years

n i think Grime has just evolved into something, that it doesnt know what it is or where its goin anymore.

It needs a direction

[Twitch]

It's not dead at all, and the fact that everyone keeps claiming it's dead doesn't help the situation either.

[Grimes]

if you want to bring grime back start a new scene

[Hij]

People need to do stuff, rather than sit around and talk about it being dead still.

Put the aerials up, or at least connect to the internet lol

[Carter]

Internet radio has always been dead

[Danny Trejo]

It's in the hands of the youngers really. Most of them seem to be content with being internet MCs with mixtapes though. Pirates>> really.

[Carter]

It's in the hands of the youngers really. Most of them seem to be content with being internet MCs with mixtapes though. Pirates>> really.

When a scene is in the hands of 15 year olds.......you know its time to draw for Benga's album and move on lol

[Hij]

Internet radio has always been dead

Rinse, 1xtra and Kiss 100 seem to do ok.

I see your point though and it only aims for people who have computers.

[Carter]

Rinse, 1xtra and Kiss 100 seem to do ok.

I see your point though and it only aims for people who have computers.

Rinse and Kiss 100 are not internet radio stations though, I'm talking Axe and the other internet stations that only GF and RWD users know about!

[Hij]

Rinse and Kiss 100 are not internet radio stations though, I'm talking Axe and the other internet stations that only GF and RWD users know about!

True.

Thats just one part of it though. Theres so much people could be doing if they just tried, its that easy.

[Danny Trejo]

You might be right to an extent Carter but really for longevity youngers need to do something. That said,grime wasn't built to last.

[adidasgrandad]

sub fm have got a thing where yoou can download software onto your phone so that you can stream their station live for free on your phone. Once grime fans and internet stations latch onto this thats when internet radio will actually pick up. At the moment it just hasnt got the same vibe.

[Danny Trejo]

there's no scene to internet radio. it's the local thing that made it what it was and rinse/geeneus isn't into grime anymore

[Hij]

there's no scene to internet radio. it's the local thing that made it what it was and rinse/geeneus isn't into grime anymore

Its now very very samey samey funky. :(

[Danny Trejo]

anyone heard that spooky funky grime tune yet bar me and the rest of the insomniacs, speaking of?
'horny bean'

[The Elijah]

When Logan said grime is dead, my understanding of it, was it was dead for major labels tryna come in and make dosh of it.

Channel U distorted a lot of things, it gave everyone an equal platform which hasn't worked well at all. Popularity is decided by payola and poor music is fed to the nation all day every day.

RWD used to be good, but again, because money is involved, it all goes down hill. Im hearing they are charging £8,000 for a front cover these days.

679 gave grime a major push when there was no infrastructure, hardly any business minded people and not a lot of money floating about. That was only to push their artists anyway Kano & Plan B, Lady Sov was also a par.

Another thing I blame is people not being independent. People got managers in 2004 and still haven't done anything. You ask them to do anything, ahhh Ill have to ask my manager. Most people actually had shit managers. Or still do.

True entrepreneurial spirit in grime was false advertising, people used to brag about how independent they are, now look at them begging for record deals lol. What happened to the clothing lines, the mix cds, albums, vinyl, dvds the live shows? Every1 waiting for someone else!

[Carter]

When Logan said grime is dead, my understanding of it, was it was dead for major labels tryna come in and make dosh of it.

Channel U distorted a lot of things, it gave everyone an equal platform which hasn't worked well at all. Popularity is decided by payola and poor music is fed to the nation all day every day.

RWD used to be good, but again, because money is involved, it all goes down hill. Im hearing they are charging £8,000 for a front cover these days.

679 gave grime a major push when there was no infrastructure, hardly any business minded people and not a lot of money floating about. That was only to push their artists anyway Kano & Plan B, Lady Sov was also a par.

Another thing I blame is people not being independent. People got managers in 2004 and still haven't done anything. You ask them to do anything, ahhh Ill have to ask my manager. Most people actually had shit managers. Or still do.

True entrepreneurial spirit in grime was false advertising, people used to brag about how independent they are, now look at them begging for record deals lol. What happened to the clothing lines, the mix cds, albums, vinyl, dvds the live shows? Every1 waiting for someone else!


word

[MouthOfTheSouth]

Im glad to see most actually saw the point i was making... Im NOT saying grime is dead as in it will no longer exist, im sayin it has "evolved" so far away from it's original form that to many people it now is deceased.

What always shocked me most, and still does, is how there isn't a major major push from every1 involved to get the rave scene goin again... I guarantee you Skibadee, Eksman & Shabba D will make ALOT more dough in a calendar year than your favourite artist in this scene (excluding the big boys who have risen above just this scene)... Thats because they have a steady income from 1-2 hour sets on a stageshow every week. DnB is so massive now, the scenes are mainly incomparable... But, it werent always like that, i've been at a One Nation where someone got shot in the head and even more recently a MC Convention that got tear-gassed by the boydem and shut down... But they made it so the police couldnt just stop every event. There's just a better plan and strategy in DnB, whereas in Grime there is pretty much none. Which is why these wannabe "artists" have managed to kill off a steady stream of income for themselves in search of album deals & mixtapes that will make them £5k if they're lucky... Which is what IC3, maybe the shittest lyricist in all of music, will make in 1 month from DnB raves!!

I love Grime, and i used to love the raves... So please dont think im just being negative. The points im raising are relevant and constructive.

Peace.

[Danny Trejo]

Jimmy Hart knows what he's on about.

[Alter E-ghost]

i think dat da dying out of the raves is bcoz grime lyrics and content are becomin more intelligent... ppl actually listen 2 the lyrics coz they mean summin now. griminal and jammer etc. will still get ppl skankin but now u see dose kinda bars gettin parred. eg jammer by impulse, chip etc.
grime ent dead but it is changin and i think it will still change so ppl should stop makin definite decisons.

[LNL]

Im glad to see most actually saw the point i was making... Im NOT saying grime is dead as in it will no longer exist, im sayin it has "evolved" so far away from it's original form that to many people it now is deceased.

What always shocked me most, and still does, is how there isn't a major major push from every1 involved to get the rave scene goin again... I guarantee you Skibadee, Eksman & Shabba D will make ALOT more dough in a calendar year than your favourite artist in this scene (excluding the big boys who have risen above just this scene)... Thats because they have a steady income from 1-2 hour sets on a stageshow every week. DnB is so massive now, the scenes are mainly incomparable... But, it werent always like that, i've been at a One Nation where someone got shot in the head and even more recently a MC Convention that got tear-gassed by the boydem and shut down... But they made it so the police couldnt just stop every event. There's just a better plan and strategy in DnB, whereas in Grime there is pretty much none. Which is why these wannabe "artists" have managed to kill off a steady stream of income for themselves in search of album deals & mixtapes that will make them £5k if they're lucky... Which is what IC3, maybe the shittest lyricist in all of music, will make in 1 month from DnB raves!!

I love Grime, and i used to love the raves... So please dont think im just being negative. The points im raising are relevant and constructive.

Peace.

i actually like IC3 on a set
but he's not the best of his type
foxy and fatman d >>> IC3
and
Bassman, Trigga >> Spyda, Skibba, Dett >> Eksman, Shabba IMO

I agree with the points you are making
Grime is dead to the people that have been in it from the beginning, the people that have seen dizzee before he made BIDC or the people that remember wiley from PAUG not from WMR.
But to the people who have only just discovered grime, it's very much alive (but in a different form to what it was back in the day)
i apologise if that doesnt make sense
im lean badways

['nuum general]

i think dat da dying out of the raves is bcoz grime lyrics and content are becomin more intelligent... ppl actually listen 2 the lyrics coz they mean summin now. griminal and jammer etc. will still get ppl skankin but now u see dose kinda bars gettin parred. eg jammer by impulse, chip etc.
grime ent dead but it is changin and i think it will still change so ppl should stop makin definite decisons.

The most successful grime artists are not the lyrical ones. What does that tell us...

[Danny Trejo]

The most successful grime artists are not the lyrical ones. What does that tell us...

That no-one gives a shit what anyone really has to say and the only real remaining music money is in the simplistic lowest common denominator sound as evidenced by the poor quality of the music in the singles and album charts.
The only hope for a "lyrical" MC is to generate a loyal and committed fan base and exploit them relentlessly.

The hopes of a more complex MC getting anywhere in grime are slim to none, really. In an ideal world we can all look upon the likes of Goodz and Impulse (as much as I don't rate him, even slightly, I appreciate that he's got something to say) and impress upon them our thoughts of blowing or higher recognition, it's more honest and truthful to evaluate them as MCs who'll be remembered briefly within their respective scenes and fanbases and perhaps by future generations in a nostalgic context.

Whereas the people who'll make some money and be appreciated by a mass audience are the people who can make 8-10 catchy hooks in their lifetime and hope that these tracks can get out there and gain some recognition.
JME & Skepta make money because they're simplistic (no send) and appeal to mass denominator as a result. Dizzee has sold more albums as his content, delivery and the abrasiveness of his sound has decreased in what we as an alleged dedicated fan base consider to be real and legitimate in terms of some supposed truth.

Simplicity sells and unless you're able to legitimately target yourself at the wider more intelligent market and hope that your shit sticks, you're moretime going to be met with a little bit of money, some recognition from your peers and a load kids calling you "sick" for a bit till your hype dies.

Why am I still typing at this point.

['nuum general]

That no-one gives a shit what anyone really has to say and the only real remaining music money is in the simplistic lowest common denominator sound as evidenced by the poor quality of the music in the singles and album charts.
The only hope for a "lyrical" MC is to generate a loyal and committed fan base and exploit them relentlessly.

The hopes of a more complex MC getting anywhere in grime are slim to none, really. In an ideal world we can all look upon the likes of Goodz and Impulse (as much as I don't rate him, even slightly, I appreciate that he's got something to say) and impress upon them our thoughts of blowing or higher recognition, it's more honest and truthful to evaluate them as MCs who'll be remembered briefly within their respective scenes and fanbases and perhaps by future generations in a nostalgic context.

Whereas the people who'll make some money and be appreciated by a mass audience are the people who can make 8-10 catchy hooks in their lifetime and hope that these tracks can get out there and gain some recognition.
JME & Skepta make money because they're simplistic (no send) and appeal to mass denominator as a result. Dizzee has sold more albums as his content, delivery and the abrasiveness of his sound has decreased in what we as an alleged dedicated fan base consider to be real and legitimate in terms of some supposed truth.

Simplicity sells and unless you're able to legitimately target yourself at the wider more intelligent market and hope that your shit sticks, you're moretime going to be met with a little bit of money, some recognition from your peers and a load kids calling you "sick" for a bit till your hype dies.

Why am I still typing at this point.

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More time in grime people want simple hype bars for radio & raves. Very few have the ability to be lyrical & hype.

[MouthOfTheSouth]

i think dat da dying out of the raves is bcoz grime lyrics and content are becomin more intelligent... ppl actually listen 2 the lyrics coz they mean summin now. griminal and jammer etc. will still get ppl skankin but now u see dose kinda bars gettin parred. eg jammer by impulse, chip etc.
grime ent dead but it is changin and i think it will still change so ppl should stop makin definite decisons.

But being lyrical and being able to hold down a rave doesnt have to be one or the other... If u can make proper big boy deep & lyrical verses then coming up with some catchy hooks should be a walk in the park... What i think raves expose is that some people lack stage presence (Wretch 32, Tinchy Stryder) - which becomes obvious when u see alot of these artists in the few live PA's they get nowadays.

Anyway, im talking something that most of these guys claim they are all about - money! If im ghetto, bashy or skepta i'd be bang on having a rave scene to supplement my artistic pursuits becoz it's more P's at the end of the day. It's another outlet to sell ur CD's, DVD's and tee's. It's a room full of people to showcase ur talent to. This is why i think grime is majorly lost, we're not america with 250m people, if ur not big in london ur struggling to make any P at all and even if u are big here the P obviously aint there from CD/DVD sales alone... Business brains take Virgin trains, most of the grime scene is stuck on the 468 bus.

['nuum general]

But being lyrical and being able to hold down a rave doesnt have to be one or the other... If u can make proper big boy deep & lyrical verses then coming up with some catchy hooks should be a walk in the park... What i think raves expose is that some people lack stage presence (Wretch 32, Tinchy Stryder) - which becomes obvious when u see alot of these artists in the few live PA's they get nowadays.

Anyway, im talking something that most of these guys claim they are all about - money! If im ghetto, bashy or skepta i'd be bang on having a rave scene to supplement my artistic pursuits becoz it's more P's at the end of the day. It's another outlet to sell ur CD's, DVD's and tee's. It's a room full of people to showcase ur talent to. This is why i think grime is majorly lost, we're not america with 250m people, if ur not big in london ur struggling to make any P at all and even if u are big here the P obviously aint there from CD/DVD sales alone... Business brains take Virgin trains, most of the grime scene is stuck on the 468 bus.

spot on. Stuff like stage presents only improves with experience as well. It would seem the logical thing to have more raves, the problem there is a lack of promoters & the artists don't seem up for/have the funds to put on the raves themselves

[feasible_weasel]

All UK Music since Rave/Hardcore has always been about the mc hyping to the beats.
when u add this other stuff, its just hip-hop standardly.

[MouthOfTheSouth]

All UK Music since Rave/Hardcore has always been about the mc hyping to the beats.
when u add this other stuff, its just hip-hop standardly.

True talk amigo... I mean Ratpack had commercial hits back in the day, but they didn't suddenly claim to be artists and lose interest in the bread & butter rave bookings!

Remember tho, Dizzee went beyond just hyping to the beats and made a mad fucking album that tore down walls & boundaries, but didnt compromise his sound.

[SimonCowellOfGrime]

[QUOTE=MouthOfTheSouth;230741 D Double bringing Eskimo Dance to a complete standstill with 2 words[/QUOTE]

What 2 words were they?

[MouthOfTheSouth]

What 2 words were they?

I believe the two words were "it's me", said in the usual D Double style...

New to this ting i take it... Ur coming more like the LouisWalshOfGrime cousin.

[Carter]

Its dead
http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s190/hijimi/lauren.jpg

[MouthOfTheSouth]

Its dead
http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s190/hijimi/lauren.jpg

Agreed... I just wanted to show people on here why it died, coz grime is now basically a scene full of lost individuals.

[MouthOfTheSouth]

Also also, before i bounce, i just wanna say... Ghetto had the audacity to claim that "grime can't get man a mortgage, that's because you cunts don't support it"... He is crazy crazy crazy lost. No scene in the world would be able to give man a mortgage when he's putting out maybe 10,000 CD's a year max, and that is basically it. The CD's are decent, but my guy would have to charge £20 a CD and shot them all himself! Ego's, americanisation and celebrity-culture has killed this scene and ironically stopped alot of guys from making big P from what they do... That's why grime can't get man a mortgage, coz i swear garage got HLC, Viper, PSG & even fucking DT one!

Anyway, that's me done, i just wanted to air things coz most of what i've said is the truth. Respect to the constructive posters in this thread. Rant done.

Peace.

[Wiz]

I think by now your common industry head should know you don't get rich through selling CDs, it's all about performance.

[x Cee x]

Another thing I blame is people not being independent. People got managers in 2004 and still haven't done anything. You ask them to do anything, ahhh Ill have to ask my manager. Most people actually had shit managers. Or still do.

True entrepreneurial spirit in grime was false advertising, people used to brag about how independent they are, now look at them begging for record deals lol. What happened to the clothing lines, the mix cds, albums, vinyl, dvds the live shows? Every1 waiting for someone else!

yes elijah knows

['nuum general]

I think by now your common industry head should know you don't get rich through selling CDs, it's all about performance.

Unfortunately yout average grime emcee/producer has not realised this

[wrongname&thewrongnumber]

Very few have the ability to be lyrical & hype.

trim!

[nortside]

But being lyrical and being able to hold down a rave doesnt have to be one or the other... If u can make proper big boy deep & lyrical verses then coming up with some catchy hooks should be a walk in the park... What i think raves expose is that some people lack stage presence (Wretch 32, Tinchy Stryder) - which becomes obvious when u see alot of these artists in the few live PA's they get nowadays.
n the 468 bus.


yeah certain man don't have charisma