Free Weights Vs Machines?

[slu-wasteguy]

Discuss lads!

Free weights with me count as a small percentage of my overall weight exercises and the rest are on machines.

Reason being is because the barbells and dumbells fuck up my joints i.e shoulders, wrists, knees and my tendons have a tendency to lock up dunno why lol, less likely to injure myself on a machine.

What do you reckon is more effective and generates more physical results?

[Mazer Rackham]

free weights are better

more natural movements

lifting machines are crap in all honesty

[ATB]

Free weights, no doubt.
If you wanna work out proper hard on machines, in the long term it's worse for your joints than properly done, with good form, free weight exercises.

[ESKI]

freeweights without a shadow of a doubt

some machines are easier and less hassle to use though

anyone who says machines doesnt know SHIT

[Meyer Lansky]

If you want to isolate a muscle and stimulate your maximum potential of growth, use machines.

If you want to be a power lifter, use free weights.

Me? I use both.

Thats how i know you cunts that say ' free weights all the way' have never performed a negative or trained to failure, PROPER failure.

[Willy]

A bit of both tbh

[ATB]

If you want to isolate a muscle and stimulate your maximum potential of growth, use machines.

If you want to be a power lifter, use free weights.

Me? I use both.

Thats how i know you cunts that say ' free weights all the way' have never performed a negative or trained to failure, PROPER failure.

Isolation exercises shape the muscle. Compound movements build the muscle. Before you have a proper muscle base there isn't much point basing your work out on machines.

[Meyer Lansky]

Isolation exercises shape the muscle. Compound movements build the muscle. Before you have a proper muscle base there isn't much point basing your work out on machines.

Is a chest press not a compound exercise???

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[ATB]

Is a chest press not a compound exercise???

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Bench press is a compound exercise.

[Meyer Lansky]

Bench press is a compound exercise.

Lol you're making no point at all.

[Rambo]

ATB is a new member of gas gang

[ATB]

:laugh:

It's a bit hard to explain my point. What do you think is gonna build bigger quads, compound, free weight exercise like squat or some isolation, machine leg extensions?

I'm just saying that beginners should concentrate on free weight exercises such as Bench press, Shoulder press, Squats, Pull ups/downs, Deadlifts, Dips. Which are all compound movements.
But yeah even though I do know some people who don't even do any isolation exercises for biceps and triceps as they hit them during underhand pull ups and Bench press/Dips, Isolation exercises become useful to completely burn out the muscle your training.

[zooby]

If you want to isolate a muscle and stimulate your maximum potential of growth, use machines.

If you want to be a power lifter, use free weights.


Thats how i know you cunts that say ' free weights all the way' have never performed a negative or trained to failure, PROPER failure.

:stunned: Lansky stays chatting shit

[Rambo]

:stunned: Lansky stays chatting shit

i beg you come with the truth then

[zooby]

if you want to "stimulate your maximum potential of growth", machines are the last thing you want to do.
Free weights are the best for this, targeting multiple muscles with compound exercises and then ontop of that working on stability, etc muscles when using free weights stimulates maximum growth and more muscle fibres are being teared up an the body releases more anabolic hormones, etc.

Machines are more like additional exercises ontop of what should be a solid routine of free weights.

Not only power lifters use free weights thats some bullshit, most of the most succesful bodybuilding routines are centered around free weights and quite a few dont use machines at all.

And that part about people who swear by free weights dont do negatives/train to failure is some bullshit too. Me being an example im sure others here do aswell.

+ you can very efficiently isolate muscle groups using free weights.

I cant hate on you Lansky because you look like you take bodybuilding seriously, but some of the shit you say is ridiculous bro come on lol.

[Rambo]

if you want to "stimulate your maximum potential of growth", machines are the last thing you want to do.
Free weights are the best for this, targeting multiple muscles with compound exercises and then ontop of that working on stability, etc muscles when using free weights stimulates maximum growth and more muscle fibres are being teared up an the body releases more anabolic hormones, etc.

Machines are more like additional exercises ontop of what should be a solid routine of free weights.

Not only power lifters use free weights thats some bullshit, most of the most succesful bodybuilding routines are centered around free weights and quite a few dont use machines at all.

And that part about people who swear by free weights dont do negatives/train to failure is some bullshit too. Me being an example im sure others here do aswell.

+ you can very efficiently isolate muscle groups using free weights.

I cant hate on you Lansky because you look like you take bodybuilding seriously, but some of the shit you say is ridiculous bro come on lol.

Gas, machines (well decent machines) target the area you a looking to work pacifically, isolating the muscle you want to use, if I'm training chest, i want to hit my chest as much as i can, fuck the stabilisers in my shoulders.

the best routines are a solid blend of both, i agree

dorian yates, the only englishman to win mr. olympia, routines include ALOT of machine work, and the high intensity way >> any other way FTR so does jay cutlers and phil heaths

theres training to failure and then there is training beyond failure, which in general, is hard to do with free weights



i use both in my training, whatever works for you works for you, but don't just write off machines and don't just write off free weights or your body will be as one dimensional as your mind

[zooby]

if I'm training chest, i want to hit my chest as much as i can, fuck the stabilisers in my shoulders.

:dozey:

[Rambo]

:dozey:

ill hit them when I'm hitting shoulders bro

[C.]

smh its all preference this is a pointless thread leading to a pointless arguement

you do what works for YOU and what will help reach ur desired goals in training, its good to have a mixture of machines and free weights as sum1 else has said already...

i dont use as many as i probably should but oh well, i use machines alot when ive come back from injury or if ive taken a break from training, il use machines to get myself back in the rhythm of things, but as i say its all preference theres no right or wrong as far as im concerned

[Rambo]

smh its all preference this is a pointless thread leading to a pointless arguement

you do what works for YOU and you find this over years of training, its good to have a mixture of machines

i dont use as many as i probably should but oh well, i use machines alot when ive come back from injury or if ive taken a break from training, il use machines to get myself back in the rhythm of things, but as i say its all preference theres no right or wrong as far as im concerned

this

[ATB]

dorian yates, the only englishman to win mr. olympia, routines include ALOT of machine work, and the high intensity way >> any other way FTR so does jay cutlers and phil heaths


Eh... Not this again. Do you think your on such a high level that you should mirror Mr. Olympia's workout routine? You think he does alot of machine work because their workout is much longer(their "supplements" allow them to do that) and consists of many more exercises which hit all the different muscle fibers from different angles again to SHAPE the muscle. These guys were building that dry muscle mass for years, they're not really building more muscle any more, that's why they're doing this to develop all the detail such as bicep peaks, separation, feathering etc.

Maybe you are on an advanced level where you should involve some isolating machines but I believe most people looking into this thread are beginners and they might get the wrong idea by seeing comments such as "machines all the way>>>", don't want to see them tomorrow in my Gym, sitting on all those machines and staying away from the free weights section. :laugh:

[Rambo]

Eh... Not this again. Do you think your on such a high level that you should mirror Mr. Olympia's workout routine? You think he does alot of machine work because their workout is much longer(their "supplements" allow them to do that) and consists of many more exercises which hit all the different muscle fibers from different angles again to SHAPE the muscle. These guys were building that dry muscle mass for years, they're not really building more muscle any more, that's why they're doing this to develop all the detail such as bicep peaks, separation, feathering etc.

Maybe you are on an advanced level where you should involve some isolating machines but I believe most people looking into this thread are beginners and they might get the wrong idea by seeing comments such as "machines all the way>>>", don't want to see them tomorrow in my Gym, sitting on all those machines and staying away from the free weights section. :laugh:

voided your whole argument, come back at me when you know about high intensity training

[adidasgrandad]

i use both...but only out of necessity. i have free weights at home which use 2 days a week when im there but then, when im at my girlfriends mid week, (abusing the free hospitality :-D ) she's got a gym at the bottom of her flats which only has machines so i use them to workout each muscle really heavy.

doesnt feel the same as free weights but i think they're good for certain things. for example they isolate specific muscles very well.

[ATB]

voided your whole argument, come back at me when you know about high intensity training

Come back when you've learned about limits of natural bodybuilding.

[Rambo]

Come back when you've learned about limits of natural bodybuilding.

lol steroids and GH >>>

come at me bro

[ATB]

lol steroids and GH >>>

come at me bro

I have no reason to. I love Anavar :evilgrin:

[Rambo]

I have no reason to. I love Anavar :evilgrin:

never tried anavar, I use Winstrol for that type... BMT tho

[Meyer Lansky]

Oi Zooby, you chat shit mate. Any regular, every day type of gym user, you're gassed & Clueless.

[zooby]

Oi Zooby, you chat shit mate. Any regular, every day type of gym user, you're gassed & Clueless.

LOL DONT CHAT SHIT (http://www.grimeforum.com/forum/showthread.php?7949-Official-Gym-Thread.../page139)


If you do deadlifts, you're using your legs & back, correct? Neither of the two will be working to the full potential, in other words Isolation exercises ftw.

For example..Chest press isn't the best way to increase your chest strength, fly's are. Squats aren't the best way to increase your quads/hams strength, Leg ext/leg curls are.

I agree that they're good for 'whole body workouts', i just dont see the point in whole body workouts unless you're warming up.


No.

Tbh im sick of people that chat shit, if you do deadlifts to train legs, you're an idiot imo. It's like saying i do bench press to train my front delts. Yes, my delts will be being used but im not trying to target them.



Point out where i said that?

I too have been attending the gym for years and i suppose i am a profesional (Personal trainer), and ive found over the last few years that deadlifts (full) can be counter-productive to strength gains. Not sure why you're taking the comment to heart, i wasn't just targeting you. Sorry for upsetting you.

typical clueless PT

[Rambo]

Who uses deadlifts to train legs? Lol straight leg I understand but if you have standard deadlifts In your leg routine your a moron

[Meyer Lansky]

Who uses deadlifts to train legs? Lol straight leg I understand but if you have standard deadlifts In your leg routine your a moron

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lol thankyou.

Zooby, try again please.

zooby Machines ftw>>>>>>

http://i54.tinypic.com/jzgzko.jpg

[zooby]

your legs look misshapen and out of proportion bro

fuckit lol you two are ridiculous about deadlifts are counter-productive to strength gains lolwtf

[Rambo]

your legs look misshapen and out of proportion bro

fuckit lol you two are ridiculous about deadlifts are counter-productive to strength gains lolwtf

i didn't say that bro, of course they work your leg, but its like doing bench press to improve shoulders lol if you do it enough it will improve your shoulders but its a chest exercise

if you do deadlifts it will improve your legs but its a back exercise

doing it on a leg day will be counter productive yes

[Kristian]

I tend to use freeweights / machines in an 80/20 split. I'll use machines when I've exhaused myself but wish to push out a few more reps safely...for example I'll do my pressing sets on a bench and use the chest press machine to sqeeze out a few more cheeky reps at the end. That also means I don't get stuck under a bar lol.

and @mayer lansky - too much isolation exercises on machines will mean your body will be out of proportion mate.

[CPS]

loool..

[Francisaso_8]

Use both, it depends on how you execute it. Feel the pain while doing exercises, especially on the muscles.